2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie supporters are lying when they claim Hillary supporters are shutting down Facebook sites
There is not one iota of evidence that Hillary supporters are shutting down Facebook sites. After all, why would they? That would be an act of desperation, and the Hillary campaign is hardly desperate. More likely if anyone was doing this, it would be the Republicans, since they have a motive to sow discord between Bernie and Hillary supporters.
At any rate, this absolutely baseless charge (that Facebook pages for Bernie were shut down by Hillary supporters) is even being disputed by some prominent Sanders supporters.
http://heavy.com/news/2016/04/bernie-sanders-facebook-groups-removed-banned-deleted-why-hillary-clinton-attack-censorship-which/
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/aidan-king-81741459 -- Aidan King appears to be pretty well known, having helped raise over $140k for the Sanders campaign.
I wish DU would do more to stop baseless accusations against Democratic candidates. Just because it appears somewhere on the internet doesn't mean that's it's automatically true.
We've also seen this pathetic type of accusation before, just another desperate move by Sanders supporters along with their claim that almost every state Hillary won she won because of election fraud. Some people just don't know how to lose with any dignity, I guess.
http://www.snopes.com/facebook-bernie-blackout/
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)and David Brock spending a million dollars on internet shit-stirring had nothing to do with it, either!
jillan
(39,451 posts)Nice try.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)http://www.snopes.com/2016/04/26/bernie-sanders-facebook-groups-controversy/
On 26 April 2016, digital and social media manager for the Sanders campaign Aiden King addressed the rumors on the campaign's official Slack channel:
Facebook hasn't released a public statement but they had a bug and it closed a ton of facebook groups. Our supporters are just more vocal so the internet blew up with "Bernie groups being shut down" rather than "Facebook groups are being shut down."
King claimed a number of groups were affected by a Facebook glitch, not just pro-Sanders groups. However, Facebook didn't address the bug officially, leading many to believe the outages were politically motivated and not related to malfunctioning technology. Facebook hasn't confirmed King's assertion, nor did he disclose how he learned of the purported bug.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Right. Do you actually know any of these people - that they are HRC supporters - that they actually wrote the tweets in question - that they actually hacked the site and weren't just taking "credit" for it after the fact? ?????
That's what I thought.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)MaeScott
(878 posts)Shit needs flinging, aisle three
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Crazee daze in Internetland.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but will this be the stock excuse when caught the Republicans did it?
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)... These are just accusations by Bernie supporters, no evidence. Evidence of trolling perhaps, but not evidence of Hillary supporters engaging in the tactics they are accused of. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE, just accusations by sore losers. Did you miss this paragraph:
However, newer reports may indicate that a bug or glitch on Facebook also played a role. On Reddit, user imjoshs posted this thread and shared a photo of a message from Aidan King, the digital and social media manager for Bernie Sanders campaign. He said that he talked with Aidan King on the ConnectWithBernie slackchat and was told that there was a Facebook bug that closed many Facebook groups, not just Bernie Sanders groups. He added that when the bug took groups down, Facebook sent notifications to people who had filed reports against the groups, saying their report was successful.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Viva Bernie 2016
4 hrs ·
#?BERNIEBLACKOUT for updates follow us at Viva Bernie 2016
Please share this to any Bernie groups you're in. The "online activist" group Hillary's super PAC hired(basically paid trolls) are striking tonight. By spamming the "report post to Facebook" feature on posts in Bernie groups, they've successfully shut down 3 of the largest Bernie groups within the past 20 minutes. Bernie Believers, Bernie Activists, and Bernie Sanders is my Hero had over 120,000 group members.
Don't panic! This should only be temporary until Facebook reviews the situation. Forgetting for a moment that this is easily one of the slimiest tactics I've ever seen in politics. They hit us the night before tomorrow's primaries for a reason. Stay organized and stay informed.
Piss off a SuperPAC troll and donate to: Bernie.To/Donate
Help other Bernie Fans connect to the Bernie Groups you like, trust and follow by adding links or tagging to them in the comments.
Viva Bernie 2016 will keep you up to date on the developments.
Typical dirty campaign tactics by the Clinton Army.
#?NeverShillary #?HillNo #?WeWontForget #?DEMTownhall #?ThingsBernieHates #?VivaBernie #?FeelTheBern
UPDATE
8 Pages that went down were, some are back up.
Bernie Sanders Activists
Bernie Believers
Bernie Sanders Is My Hero
Bernie or Bust
Bernie Sanders for President
Bernie Sanders Ideas Welcome
Bernie Sanders Revolutionaries
Bay Area for Bernie
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)They were just more "vocal" in complaining about it.
http://www.snopes.com/2016/04/26/bernie-sanders-facebook-groups-controversy/
On 26 April 2016, digital and social media manager for the Sanders campaign Aiden King addressed the rumors on the campaign's official Slack channel:
Facebook hasn't released a public statement but they had a bug and it closed a ton of facebook groups. Our supporters are just more vocal so the internet blew up with "Bernie groups being shut down" rather than "Facebook groups are being shut down."
King claimed a number of groups were affected by a Facebook glitch, not just pro-Sanders groups. However, Facebook didn't address the bug officially, leading many to believe the outages were politically motivated and not related to malfunctioning technology. Facebook hasn't confirmed King's assertion, nor did he disclose how he learned of the purported bug.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Screen shots of conversations are posted. Right there at that link!
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)... and now even snopes has debunked this nonsense. It basically sounds like there are people who do this kind of stuff all the time, but it's isolated individuals and not any sort of coordinated effort. Indeed, it would be especially stupid for a frontrunner to engage in this kind of meaningless tactic. But, I suppose at this point all Bernie supporters can hope for is to manufacture enough outrage to reignite his flailing campaign.
http://www.snopes.com/2016/04/26/bernie-sanders-facebook-groups-controversy/
On 26 April 2016, digital and social media manager for the Sanders campaign Aiden King addressed the rumors on the campaign's official Slack channel:
All of the groups are back up and it wasn't just Bernie groups.
Facebook hasn't released a public statement but they had a bug and it closed a ton of facebook groups. Our supporters are just more vocal so the internet blew up with "Bernie groups being shut down" rather than "Facebook groups are being shut down."
King claimed a number of groups were affected by a Facebook glitch, not just pro-Sanders groups. However, Facebook didn't address the bug officially, leading many to believe the outages were politically motivated and not related to malfunctioning technology. Facebook hasn't confirmed King's assertion, nor did he disclose how he learned of the purported bug.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I mean, the dude posted a message - a screencap- from facebook saying he had successfully alerted on and shut down at least one of the sanders groups in question (typical reply: "good job, bro!"
So this took place at the exact same time as the random group shutting down glitch, huh?
Wow. Amazing coincidence, that.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Almost as coincidental as the Dubuque Gamer's Club FB page going down at precisely the same instant. Wow. Amazing coincidence, that.
It's difficult for irrational minds to understand spurious correlations. No doubt, you are aware of the fallacy, yet merely choose to ignore it as such due to the visceral satisfaction they engender.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Theists on rationality: Always good for the big lulz. But I digress.
Dubuque gamer's club or no, at least ONE of the Sanders groups on FB WAS targeted and shut down by a Hillary supporter. That seems beyond debate at this point.
I don't actually think the facebook group-shutting down had too many real-world results beyond a minor, short-lived annoyance, but given the histrionic bullshit we've heard nonstop from team HRC about "bad internet behavior", to try and minimize, brush off or ignore the behavior of this "Casey Champagne" seems to me the height of hypocrisy.
jillan
(39,451 posts)IOKIYAH
betsuni
(25,538 posts)I saw this ridiculous thing earlier and have been waiting for someone living in reality to post about it. Thank you.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Petrushka
(3,709 posts)betsuni
(25,538 posts)Petrushka
(3,709 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:58 AM - Edit history (2)
. . . since the page was subsequently reinstated by FB, that HRC supporter's report had no merit, obviously!?oh=873ee9ada8845895da0120e0a2834953&oe=57A020E0
Edited to add:
Please note that, in the comment section of the page (linked in my initial reply), the person who made the anonymous report not only makes his identity known, he brags that he doesn't care if the Bernie group knows who was responsible for shutting them down---he's mighty pleased with himself!
More editing:
Here's a link to a message from the owner of the HRC group site where one of its members became the culprit responsible for taking down a Bernie group's FB page. I am thankful to DU member Moriah for calling this link to my attention:
http://www.bros4hillary.com/statement-from-b4h-leadership/
More reality:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280185434#post50
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)into your life it will creep
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)Here's a link to a Facebook thread indicating how at least one Hillary supporter boasted yesterday about finding a way to shut down a Bernie page:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1578373369120191/permalink/1578386305785564/?hc_location=ufi
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)On 26 April 2016, digital and social media manager for the Sanders campaign Aiden King addressed the rumors on the campaign's official Slack channel:
Facebook hasn't released a public statement but they had a bug and it closed a ton of facebook groups. Our supporters are just more vocal so the internet blew up with "Bernie groups being shut down" rather than "Facebook groups are being shut down."
King claimed a number of groups were affected by a Facebook glitch, not just pro-Sanders groups. However, Facebook didn't address the bug officially, leading many to believe the outages were politically motivated and not related to malfunctioning technology. Facebook hasn't confirmed King's assertion, nor did he disclose how he learned of the purported bug.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)People hanging on to discredited rumors seems pretty desperate to me as well.
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)Hillary's camp is desperate - what with all those annoying votes and delegates piling up.
This has been going on for almost a year now. Every time HRC surges further ahead, the Bernie folks declare that she's the one who's desperate.
dsc
(52,162 posts)If the sun rises this group thinks it is a conspiracy.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)paid trolls from Brock's outfit, pretending.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and Bros4Hillary has already apologized for their actions
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)So Snopes says he IS a manager with the campaign.
http://www.snopes.com/2016/04/26/bernie-sanders-facebook-groups-controversy/
On 26 April 2016, digital and social media manager for the Sanders campaign Aiden King addressed the rumors on the campaign's official Slack channel:
Facebook hasn't released a public statement but they had a bug and it closed a ton of facebook groups. Our supporters are just more vocal so the internet blew up with "Bernie groups being shut down" rather than "Facebook groups are being shut down."
King claimed a number of groups were affected by a Facebook glitch, not just pro-Sanders groups. However, Facebook didn't address the bug officially, leading many to believe the outages were politically motivated and not related to malfunctioning technology. Facebook hasn't confirmed King's assertion, nor did he disclose how he learned of the purported bug.
JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)Certainly the Republicans have better reason to commit such shenanigans.
Just how were the Bernie people or his campaign harmed?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Hell, it may even be unrelated to Brock's million dollar internet trolling initiative. (But that activity too begs the question "why", and we know for a fact that one is real)
However, given the rooftop-shrieking we've seen over "someone at a Sanders rally said this" and "a sanders supporter on twitter posted this word", can you imagine the end of the world shitfits which would ensue if the situation were reversed, Sanders people got Hillary groups alerted on and shut down by spamming them with facebook rule-breaking porn?
OhmyfuckingGOD the shit-losing would be enormous.
It would be a veritable BernieBrötterdämmerung!
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)...that Bernie Sanders came so close to winning the primary until some supporters' Facebook accounts went dead for a a few hours.
David Brock is a genius.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Good enough for me.
JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)That's good enough for me.
People fall for hoaxes when they so desperately want them to be true. That's why Nigerian princes make money online.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)What practical purpose would attacking Facebook Groups serve? There's 50 other places on the internet people can gather and get their news.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)on the eve of a do-or-die primary. It didn't work.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)Nevermind that Bernie's guy in charge of social media said it was a gitch, that snopes said it was a glitch, now even Facebook is saying that.
The article says basically that the pages should not have been shut down but there was a glitch in the system that was corrected within hours. It should not be easy for one rogue individual (which is what the evidence points to) to shut down Facebook pages, and apparently numerous pages other than Bernie's were shut down.
http://www.cnet.com/news/facebook-seems-to-have-burned-bernie-but-thats-not-really-what-happened/
Yes, more vocal, that's exactly the correct word to use.
aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)proof!
riversedge
(70,242 posts)Best line ever!