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Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:49 AM Apr 2016

Bernie supporters are lying when they claim Hillary supporters are shutting down Facebook sites

There is not one iota of evidence that Hillary supporters are shutting down Facebook sites. After all, why would they? That would be an act of desperation, and the Hillary campaign is hardly desperate. More likely if anyone was doing this, it would be the Republicans, since they have a motive to sow discord between Bernie and Hillary supporters.

At any rate, this absolutely baseless charge (that Facebook pages for Bernie were shut down by Hillary supporters) is even being disputed by some prominent Sanders supporters.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/04/bernie-sanders-facebook-groups-removed-banned-deleted-why-hillary-clinton-attack-censorship-which/

?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/aidan-king-81741459 -- Aidan King appears to be pretty well known, having helped raise over $140k for the Sanders campaign.

I wish DU would do more to stop baseless accusations against Democratic candidates. Just because it appears somewhere on the internet doesn't mean that's it's automatically true.

We've also seen this pathetic type of accusation before, just another desperate move by Sanders supporters along with their claim that almost every state Hillary won she won because of election fraud. Some people just don't know how to lose with any dignity, I guess.

http://www.snopes.com/facebook-bernie-blackout/

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Bernie supporters are lying when they claim Hillary supporters are shutting down Facebook sites (Original Post) Onlooker Apr 2016 OP
I'm sure it all happened at the same time as just one giant coincidence Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #1
There is a ton of proof, a ton of screenshots with names of people boasting. Sorry. jillan Apr 2016 #2
Snopes has discounted that "proof." pnwmom Apr 2016 #35
"screenshots with names of people boasting" is proof? yellowcanine Apr 2016 #46
Lots of folks of all stripes boast and blame and pretend. riversedge Apr 2016 #53
So, were any Hillary groups shut down? Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #3
Of course not. Just the Sanders groups get slammed. Paging David Brock MaeScott Apr 2016 #19
Thank you. ucrdem Apr 2016 #4
Did you read your own article I encourage other to do so azurnoir Apr 2016 #5
I gather you didn't read it very carefully ... Onlooker Apr 2016 #7
The evidence is that 8 Bernie FB pages were taken down azurnoir Apr 2016 #9
And the article says the glitch wasn't confined to Bernie groups. pnwmom Apr 2016 #36
There is evidence right there at the link you posted! You obviously did not read it. jillan Apr 2016 #12
No, there is no evidence ... Onlooker Apr 2016 #29
So there was a "random facebook glitch" shutting down groups the same time "casey champagne" was too Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #31
Almost as coincidental as the Dubuque Gamer's Club going down at precisely the same instant LanternWaste Apr 2016 #39
hah? Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #49
LOL - he did not read it. He found that but didn't even read what was right below it.... jillan Apr 2016 #8
yep azurnoir Apr 2016 #11
I'll never understand why some people hear a rumor and mindlessly believe and repeat it. betsuni Apr 2016 #6
Because maybe it's more than a rumor azurnoir Apr 2016 #10
Wrong. betsuni Apr 2016 #22
Here... jillan Apr 2016 #13
Nope. betsuni Apr 2016 #23
Rumor? Ridiculous? Reality---> Petrushka Apr 2016 #17
I'm not on Facebook, can't see the link. betsuni Apr 2016 #24
From the link: A HRC supporter who boasted about taking down one Bernie group's FB page; but . . . Petrushka Apr 2016 #25
Is there no limit to this . . . ucrdem Apr 2016 #14
Paranoia steikes deep 72DejaVu Apr 2016 #15
That snopes.com link is dated March 30th. What happened yesterday, April 25, is something else---> Petrushka Apr 2016 #16
This Snopes story is from yesterday. pnwmom Apr 2016 #32
The Clinton campaign seems pretty desperate to me. Scuba Apr 2016 #18
People hanging on to discredited rumors seems pretty desperate to me as well. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #40
Yes, of course. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #52
Do they ever do anything else? dsc Apr 2016 #20
How do you know they were Bernie supporters? They could have been some of Hllary's silvershadow Apr 2016 #21
Aidan King is a sub-reddit moderator who has raised mony not a campaign official azurnoir Apr 2016 #26
Snopes has identified him as "digital and social media manager for the Sanders campaign Aiden King" pnwmom Apr 2016 #33
I'm still not sure what they think Hillary would gain from this. JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #27
Saying Hillary supporters did it doesn't mean Hillary was personally responsible. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #30
Exactly. Facebook sabotage? pnwmom Apr 2016 #34
The history books will record... JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #42
. . . pnwmom Apr 2016 #43
A Hillary supporter bragged about it. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #28
And Facebook says it was their glitch JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #50
It's straw grasping. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #37
"More vocal" == "more prone to assume the worst and craziest scenario" Tarc Apr 2016 #38
It was an attempt by Sanders supporters to create a "scandal" sufrommich Apr 2016 #41
Still more evidence it was a Facebook glitch Onlooker Apr 2016 #44
K&R Dem2 Apr 2016 #45
How many of HRC's facebook groups went down? aikoaiko Apr 2016 #47
You know it's true. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #48
A million dollars goes a long way in child porn pics on Bernie sites yes indeed. There is tons of bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #51
"Just because it appears somewhere on the internet doesn't mean that's it's automatically true." riversedge Apr 2016 #54

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
1. I'm sure it all happened at the same time as just one giant coincidence
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:50 AM
Apr 2016

and David Brock spending a million dollars on internet shit-stirring had nothing to do with it, either!

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
35. Snopes has discounted that "proof."
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:11 AM
Apr 2016

http://www.snopes.com/2016/04/26/bernie-sanders-facebook-groups-controversy/

On 26 April 2016, digital and social media manager for the Sanders campaign Aiden King addressed the rumors on the campaign's official Slack channel:

All of the groups are back up and it wasn't just Bernie groups.

Facebook hasn't released a public statement but they had a bug and it closed a ton of facebook groups. Our supporters are just more vocal so the internet blew up with "Bernie groups being shut down" rather than "Facebook groups are being shut down."



King claimed a number of groups were affected by a Facebook glitch, not just pro-Sanders groups. However, Facebook didn't address the bug officially, leading many to believe the outages were politically motivated and not related to malfunctioning technology. Facebook hasn't confirmed King's assertion, nor did he disclose how he learned of the purported bug.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
46. "screenshots with names of people boasting" is proof?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:16 AM
Apr 2016

Right. Do you actually know any of these people - that they are HRC supporters - that they actually wrote the tweets in question - that they actually hacked the site and weren't just taking "credit" for it after the fact? ?????

That's what I thought.

MaeScott

(878 posts)
19. Of course not. Just the Sanders groups get slammed. Paging David Brock
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:35 AM
Apr 2016

Shit needs flinging, aisle three

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. Did you read your own article I encourage other to do so
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:00 AM
Apr 2016

but will this be the stock excuse when caught the Republicans did it?

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
7. I gather you didn't read it very carefully ...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:03 AM
Apr 2016

... These are just accusations by Bernie supporters, no evidence. Evidence of trolling perhaps, but not evidence of Hillary supporters engaging in the tactics they are accused of. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE, just accusations by sore losers. Did you miss this paragraph:

However, newer reports may indicate that a bug or glitch on Facebook also played a role. On Reddit, user imjoshs posted this thread and shared a photo of a message from Aidan King, the digital and social media manager for Bernie Sanders’ campaign. He said that he talked with Aidan King on the ConnectWithBernie slackchat and was told that there was a Facebook bug that closed many Facebook groups, not just Bernie Sanders groups. He added that when the bug took groups down, Facebook sent notifications to people who had filed reports against the groups, saying their report was “successful.”

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
9. The evidence is that 8 Bernie FB pages were taken down
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:05 AM
Apr 2016
https://www.facebook.com/VivaBernie2016/posts/1603307749988715


Viva Bernie 2016
4 hrs ·
‪#?BERNIEBLACKOUT‬ for updates follow us at Viva Bernie 2016
Please share this to any Bernie groups you're in. The "online activist" group Hillary's super PAC hired(basically paid trolls) are striking tonight. By spamming the "report post to Facebook" feature on posts in Bernie groups, they've successfully shut down 3 of the largest Bernie groups within the past 20 minutes. Bernie Believers, Bernie Activists, and Bernie Sanders is my Hero had over 120,000 group members.
Don't panic! This should only be temporary until Facebook reviews the situation. Forgetting for a moment that this is easily one of the slimiest tactics I've ever seen in politics. They hit us the night before tomorrow's primaries for a reason. Stay organized and stay informed.
Piss off a SuperPAC troll and donate to: Bernie.To/Donate
Help other Bernie Fans connect to the Bernie Groups you like, trust and follow by adding links or tagging to them in the comments.
Viva Bernie 2016 will keep you up to date on the developments.
Typical dirty campaign tactics by the Clinton Army.
‪#?NeverShillary‬ ‪#?HillNo‬ ‪#?WeWontForget‬ ‪#?DEMTownhall‬ ‪#?ThingsBernieHates‬ ‪#?VivaBernie‬ ‪#?FeelTheBern‬
UPDATE
8 Pages that went down were, some are back up.
Bernie Sanders Activists
Bernie Believers
Bernie Sanders Is My Hero
Bernie or Bust
Bernie Sanders for President
Bernie Sanders – Ideas Welcome
Bernie Sanders Revolutionaries
Bay Area for Bernie

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
36. And the article says the glitch wasn't confined to Bernie groups.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:12 AM
Apr 2016

They were just more "vocal" in complaining about it.


http://www.snopes.com/2016/04/26/bernie-sanders-facebook-groups-controversy/

On 26 April 2016, digital and social media manager for the Sanders campaign Aiden King addressed the rumors on the campaign's official Slack channel:

All of the groups are back up and it wasn't just Bernie groups.

Facebook hasn't released a public statement but they had a bug and it closed a ton of facebook groups. Our supporters are just more vocal so the internet blew up with "Bernie groups being shut down" rather than "Facebook groups are being shut down."



King claimed a number of groups were affected by a Facebook glitch, not just pro-Sanders groups. However, Facebook didn't address the bug officially, leading many to believe the outages were politically motivated and not related to malfunctioning technology. Facebook hasn't confirmed King's assertion, nor did he disclose how he learned of the purported bug.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
12. There is evidence right there at the link you posted! You obviously did not read it.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:07 AM
Apr 2016

Screen shots of conversations are posted. Right there at that link!

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
29. No, there is no evidence ...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:58 AM
Apr 2016

... and now even snopes has debunked this nonsense. It basically sounds like there are people who do this kind of stuff all the time, but it's isolated individuals and not any sort of coordinated effort. Indeed, it would be especially stupid for a frontrunner to engage in this kind of meaningless tactic. But, I suppose at this point all Bernie supporters can hope for is to manufacture enough outrage to reignite his flailing campaign.

http://www.snopes.com/2016/04/26/bernie-sanders-facebook-groups-controversy/

On 26 April 2016, digital and social media manager for the Sanders campaign Aiden King addressed the rumors on the campaign's official Slack channel:

All of the groups are back up and it wasn't just Bernie groups.

Facebook hasn't released a public statement but they had a bug and it closed a ton of facebook groups. Our supporters are just more vocal so the internet blew up with "Bernie groups being shut down" rather than "Facebook groups are being shut down."

King claimed a number of groups were affected by a Facebook glitch, not just pro-Sanders groups. However, Facebook didn't address the bug officially, leading many to believe the outages were politically motivated and not related to malfunctioning technology. Facebook hasn't confirmed King's assertion, nor did he disclose how he learned of the purported bug.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
31. So there was a "random facebook glitch" shutting down groups the same time "casey champagne" was too
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:01 AM
Apr 2016

I mean, the dude posted a message - a screencap- from facebook saying he had successfully alerted on and shut down at least one of the sanders groups in question (typical reply: "good job, bro!&quot

So this took place at the exact same time as the random group shutting down glitch, huh?

Wow. Amazing coincidence, that.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
39. Almost as coincidental as the Dubuque Gamer's Club going down at precisely the same instant
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:39 AM
Apr 2016

Almost as coincidental as the Dubuque Gamer's Club FB page going down at precisely the same instant. Wow. Amazing coincidence, that.

It's difficult for irrational minds to understand spurious correlations. No doubt, you are aware of the fallacy, yet merely choose to ignore it as such due to the visceral satisfaction they engender.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
49. hah?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:48 PM
Apr 2016

Theists on rationality: Always good for the big lulz. But I digress.

Dubuque gamer's club or no, at least ONE of the Sanders groups on FB WAS targeted and shut down by a Hillary supporter. That seems beyond debate at this point.

I don't actually think the facebook group-shutting down had too many real-world results beyond a minor, short-lived annoyance, but given the histrionic bullshit we've heard nonstop from team HRC about "bad internet behavior", to try and minimize, brush off or ignore the behavior of this "Casey Champagne" seems to me the height of hypocrisy.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
8. LOL - he did not read it. He found that but didn't even read what was right below it....
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:04 AM
Apr 2016
Facebook has not as of yet released a statement about this, nor has Aidan King posted about this on his Reddit account or his Twitter account, as of 2 a.m. Eastern.




IOKIYAH

betsuni

(25,538 posts)
6. I'll never understand why some people hear a rumor and mindlessly believe and repeat it.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:00 AM
Apr 2016

I saw this ridiculous thing earlier and have been waiting for someone living in reality to post about it. Thank you.

Petrushka

(3,709 posts)
25. From the link: A HRC supporter who boasted about taking down one Bernie group's FB page; but . . .
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:29 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:58 AM - Edit history (2)

. . . since the page was subsequently reinstated by FB, that HRC supporter's report had no merit, obviously!

?oh=873ee9ada8845895da0120e0a2834953&oe=57A020E0



Edited to add:
Please note that, in the comment section of the page (linked in my initial reply), the person who made the anonymous report not only makes his identity known, he brags that he doesn't care if the Bernie group knows who was responsible for shutting them down---he's mighty pleased with himself!




More editing:
Here's a link to a message from the owner of the HRC group site where one of its members became the culprit responsible for taking down a Bernie group's FB page. I am thankful to DU member Moriah for calling this link to my attention:
http://www.bros4hillary.com/statement-from-b4h-leadership/


More reality:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280185434#post50


Petrushka

(3,709 posts)
16. That snopes.com link is dated March 30th. What happened yesterday, April 25, is something else--->
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:09 AM
Apr 2016

Here's a link to a Facebook thread indicating how at least one Hillary supporter boasted yesterday about finding a way to shut down a Bernie page:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1578373369120191/permalink/1578386305785564/?hc_location=ufi







pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
32. This Snopes story is from yesterday.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:05 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.snopes.com/2016/04/26/bernie-sanders-facebook-groups-controversy/

On 26 April 2016, digital and social media manager for the Sanders campaign Aiden King addressed the rumors on the campaign's official Slack channel:

All of the groups are back up and it wasn't just Bernie groups.

Facebook hasn't released a public statement but they had a bug and it closed a ton of facebook groups. Our supporters are just more vocal so the internet blew up with "Bernie groups being shut down" rather than "Facebook groups are being shut down."


King claimed a number of groups were affected by a Facebook glitch, not just pro-Sanders groups. However, Facebook didn't address the bug officially, leading many to believe the outages were politically motivated and not related to malfunctioning technology. Facebook hasn't confirmed King's assertion, nor did he disclose how he learned of the purported bug.
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
40. People hanging on to discredited rumors seems pretty desperate to me as well.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:40 AM
Apr 2016

People hanging on to discredited rumors seems pretty desperate to me as well.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
52. Yes, of course.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:46 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary's camp is desperate - what with all those annoying votes and delegates piling up.

This has been going on for almost a year now. Every time HRC surges further ahead, the Bernie folks declare that she's the one who's desperate.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
21. How do you know they were Bernie supporters? They could have been some of Hllary's
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:59 AM
Apr 2016

paid trolls from Brock's outfit, pretending.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
26. Aidan King is a sub-reddit moderator who has raised mony not a campaign official
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:31 AM
Apr 2016

and Bros4Hillary has already apologized for their actions

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
33. Snopes has identified him as "digital and social media manager for the Sanders campaign Aiden King"
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:08 AM
Apr 2016

So Snopes says he IS a manager with the campaign.


http://www.snopes.com/2016/04/26/bernie-sanders-facebook-groups-controversy/

On 26 April 2016, digital and social media manager for the Sanders campaign Aiden King addressed the rumors on the campaign's official Slack channel:

All of the groups are back up and it wasn't just Bernie groups.

Facebook hasn't released a public statement but they had a bug and it closed a ton of facebook groups. Our supporters are just more vocal so the internet blew up with "Bernie groups being shut down" rather than "Facebook groups are being shut down."



King claimed a number of groups were affected by a Facebook glitch, not just pro-Sanders groups. However, Facebook didn't address the bug officially, leading many to believe the outages were politically motivated and not related to malfunctioning technology. Facebook hasn't confirmed King's assertion, nor did he disclose how he learned of the purported bug.

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
27. I'm still not sure what they think Hillary would gain from this.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:51 AM
Apr 2016

Certainly the Republicans have better reason to commit such shenanigans.

Just how were the Bernie people or his campaign harmed?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
30. Saying Hillary supporters did it doesn't mean Hillary was personally responsible.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:43 AM
Apr 2016

Hell, it may even be unrelated to Brock's million dollar internet trolling initiative. (But that activity too begs the question "why", and we know for a fact that one is real)

However, given the rooftop-shrieking we've seen over "someone at a Sanders rally said this" and "a sanders supporter on twitter posted this word", can you imagine the end of the world shitfits which would ensue if the situation were reversed, Sanders people got Hillary groups alerted on and shut down by spamming them with facebook rule-breaking porn?

OhmyfuckingGOD the shit-losing would be enormous.


It would be a veritable BernieBrötterdämmerung!

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
42. The history books will record...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:44 AM
Apr 2016

...that Bernie Sanders came so close to winning the primary until some supporters' Facebook accounts went dead for a a few hours.

David Brock is a genius.

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
50. And Facebook says it was their glitch
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:15 PM
Apr 2016

That's good enough for me.

People fall for hoaxes when they so desperately want them to be true. That's why Nigerian princes make money online.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
38. "More vocal" == "more prone to assume the worst and craziest scenario"
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:31 AM
Apr 2016

What practical purpose would attacking Facebook Groups serve? There's 50 other places on the internet people can gather and get their news.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
41. It was an attempt by Sanders supporters to create a "scandal"
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:44 AM
Apr 2016

on the eve of a do-or-die primary. It didn't work.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
44. Still more evidence it was a Facebook glitch
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:57 AM
Apr 2016

Nevermind that Bernie's guy in charge of social media said it was a gitch, that snopes said it was a glitch, now even Facebook is saying that.

The article says basically that the pages should not have been shut down but there was a glitch in the system that was corrected within hours. It should not be easy for one rogue individual (which is what the evidence points to) to shut down Facebook pages, and apparently numerous pages other than Bernie's were shut down.

http://www.cnet.com/news/facebook-seems-to-have-burned-bernie-but-thats-not-really-what-happened/

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
51. A million dollars goes a long way in child porn pics on Bernie sites yes indeed. There is tons of
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:17 PM
Apr 2016

proof!

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
54. "Just because it appears somewhere on the internet doesn't mean that's it's automatically true."
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:12 PM
Apr 2016

Best line ever!

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