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Related: About this forumI don't care if the FBI vindicates her before the Convention. Bernie is right, she has
horrendous judgement. I can't associate myself with that mess.
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Agschmid
(28,749 posts)
leveymg
(36,418 posts)That entails violation of federal criminal statutes. We should now be talking about how best to transition her delegates.
Here is Hillary's Security Oath and the statute it references, 18 USC Sec. 793. Go ahead and read
them both and come back and tell us that criminal violation isn't indicated.
Hillary signed this document on 01/22/09:
UNCLASSIFIED U.S. Department of State Case No. F-2015-05069 Doc No. C05833708 Date: 11/05/2015
! I RELEASE IN PART I
B7(C),B6
---------------------------------1REVIEW AUTHORITY:
CLASSIFIED INFORMATION NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT Barbara Nielsen, Senior
Reviewer
AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN Hillary Rodham Clinton AND THE UNITED STATES
1. lntending to be legally bound. I hereby accept the obligations contained In this Agreement In consideration of my being granted access to classified information. As used in this Agreement, classified Information is marked or unmarked classified Information, including oral communications, that is classified under the standards or Executive Order 12958, or under any other Executive order or statute that prohibits unauthorized disclosure of lnformation in the Interest of national security; and unclassified Information that meets the standards for classification and is in the process of a classification determination as provided In Section 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 and 1A(e) of Executive Order 12958 or under any other Executive order or statute that requires protection for such information in the of national security. I understand and accept that by being granted access to classified lnformation special confidence and trust have been placed in me by the United States Government .
2. I hereby acknowledge that I have received a security lndoctrination concerning the nature and protection of classified information, including the procedures to be followed in ascertaining whether other persons to whom I contemplate disclosing this Information have been approved for access to it, and that I understand these procedures.
3. I have been advised that the unauthorized disclosure, unauthorized retention, or negligent handling of classified Information by me could cause damage or irreparable injury to the United States or could be used to advantage by a foreign nation. I hereby agree that I will not divulge classified information to anyone unless: (a) I have officially verified that the recipient has been properly authorized by the United States Government to receive it, or (b) I have been given prior written notice of authorization from the United States Government Department or Agency (hereinafter Department or Agency) 1'9SJ) responsible for the classification of information or last granting me a security clearance that such disclosure is permitted. I understand that lf I am uncertain about the classification status of Information, I am required to confirm from an authorized official that the Information is unclassified before I may disclose It, except to a person as provided in (a) or (b), above. I further understand that I am obligated to comply with laws and regulations that prohibit the unauthorized disclosure of classified lnformation.
4. I have been advised that any breach of this may result In the termination of any security clearances I hold; removal from any position of special confidence and trust requiring such clearances; or termination of my employment or other relationships with the Departments or Agencies that granted my security clearance or clearances. In addition, I have been advised that any unauthorized disclosure of classified lnformation by me may constitute a violation, or violations. of Untied States criminal laws, including the provisions of Sections 641. 793, 794, 798, *952 and 1924, Title 18, United States Code, and the provisions of Section 783(b), Title 50,
United Slates code. and the provisions of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982. I recognize that nothing In the Agreement constitutes a waiver by the United States of the right to prosecute me for any statutory violation..
5. I hereby assign to the United States Government all royalties, remunerations. and emoluments that have resulted, wiII result or may result from any disclosure, publication or revelation of classified Information not consistent with the terms of this Agreement
6. I understand that the United States Government may seek any remedy available to it to enforce this Agreement Including, but not but not limited to application for a court order prohibiting disclosure of Information In breach of this Agreement.
1. I understand that all classlfled information to which I have access or may obtain access by signing this Agreement will remain the property of, or under the control of the United States Government unless and until otherwise determined by an authorized official or final ruling of a court of law. I agree that I shall return all classified materials which have or may come into my possession or for which I am responsible because of such access: (a) upon demand by an authorized representative of the United States Government; (b) upon the conclusion of employment or other relationship with the Department or Agency that last granted me a security clearance or- that provided me access ID classifled Information; or (c) upon the conclusion of my employment or other relationship that requires access to classified information. If I do not return such materials upon request, I understand that this may be a violation of Sections 793 and/or 1924, § 18, United States Code, a United States criminal law.
8. Unless and until I am released In writing by an authorized representative or the United States Government.. I understand that all conditions and obligations imposed upon me by this Agreement apply during the time I am granted access to classified lnformation, and at all times thereafter.
9. Each provision of this Agreement is severable. If a court should find provision of this Agreement to be unenforceable, all other provisions of this Agreement shall remain In full force and effect.
Sec 793 (e) and (f) linked here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251552653
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)My apologies
apcalc
(4,465 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)by doing nothing and not arresting her, how can you blame her when they have proven they believe she is innocent?
peacebird
(14,195 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)behind us" or something...smh
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I believe she's being presented as 2.0 in the last 24 hours.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)then it is all over for HRC.
What Obama does or doesn't do is irrelevant.
I trust Comey. He is a man of integrity and I trust that he is properly investigating HRC's email server. Whatever he recommends to the Justice Department, will be fair and just. I think people, regardless of political stripe, agree with that.
However, Obama is certainly aware of what the Federal Code is regarding sending and storing classified information on personal email--because he issued this executive order:
"Executive Order 13526 and 18 U.S.C Sec. 793(f) of the federal code make it unlawful to send or store classified information on personal email." --Barack Obama, Dec 29, 2009.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Why would one even want to?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)now she's joining them? No, Hillary, FUCK YOU! And say hello to President Trump
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...what happened?
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)She basically said fuck you to Sanders supporters. Watch here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017362106
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...Sander supporters represent about 45% of that. That's 15% of the electorate she wrote off right there. Who knows how many self-identified Independents she wrote off. Good grief she's in trouble in the fall...
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)
Squinch
(50,955 posts)banks, which is where the danger originates. He could not answer questions. There is nothing in Sanders's non-plan that improves upon her very detailed and knowledgeable plan.
Optimism
(142 posts)that Hillary will go after Wall Street and the banks more vigorously than Bernie would? Seriously?!
Dodd-Frank is a financial fig leaf. Stop the charade already ... everyone knows who the Clintons are beholden to.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)continues to be disingenuous about. But no matter, a President Trump or President Cruz won't implement either HRC's or Bernie's plan and HRC won't get elected without the support of Sanders's supporters, so she just fucked herself.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)But, wait another 24 hours and see it that changes.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)It's up to here to earn it.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)... I've never seen anyone go from okay to bad to worse over 16 years as she has. This is because she represents the past and too many people are opening their eyes to see the future.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)with that answer last night is she is startlingly arrogant. We had a President filled with hubris in 2001-2009, and that didn't turn out well.
I also don't think anyone believes that she will do anything to "earn it" because the entire reason they want Bernie to drop out is so that she can go full force right wing. The longer she has to discuss her non-policies, the harder it is going to be when she flips right. Also, she has a serious tendency toward blunders. The more she speaks the worse she sounds.
All we are going to hear out of her if she gets the nomination is who we are going to go to war with so that she can sound "muscular" on foreign policy. She has foreign policy experience alright, experiencing making tragic decisions. Libya. Honduras. All of that and more happened on her watch as Secretary of State.
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)
Vinca
(50,278 posts)Either way it's a mess. If she's indicted, we're screwed. If she's not indicted, we're accused of a cover-up and also screwed.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)party may suffer worse harm than it is already inflicting on ourselves.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)plus, the money that is in place to go all the way to the convention, PLUS, 10 more states, including the biggest one, plus, the wooden head idea that "super-delegates are more important than voters", this party had better get itself in line with reality of who has the best ideas and will beat the fools in the Republican race.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)board or at least lurking. Now is the time to take a path correction. If not, we will be making the most grievous mistake of my lifetime, bar none.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)We're not only feeling the Bern, but seeing the reality.
They're going to have to commit to doing their homework. They can't all be like my BIL, who thinks their vote is more equal. Thinking like that is the path to that most grievous mistake.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)real hopeful yet. I originally was going to be one, but then dropped out when State convention turned out to be in the middle of a vacation I have planned for years to take my nieces and nephew to Florida (they've never been on a vacation of any kind, and the oldest graduates high school next month.
Had I known she would drag this out the way she has, I wouldn't have cancelled and lost my spot. If I am lucky enough to get one again, I will literally leave Florida to fly home for State, and then back to Florida to re-join my family. What a mess this is.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I lived in FL for 30 yrs. You're better off going their during Thanksgiving vacation, as it will be entering the semi-sweltering weather anyway (unless you guys like that stuff!) 
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)I wish I could have done Spring Break but my health got in the way. They should still have fun even if it is hot. We rented a house for 12 days with a pool, and going to do all the parks and as much as we can cram in.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Families deserve this kind of vacation.
Hopefully, all the delegates do their stuff!
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)They can't let crimes like that go without consequences. As someone pointed out, then Pres. Trump might say he wants to do all his gov business on his private server . . because Hillary did and it was OK.
She may make some deal, but there will be indictments for her or her inner circle.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Judgement is not a Sanders issue, but is sure is with Clinton.
Nobody trusts her because she can't distinguish truth from what works in advertising. The few thing she did make a decision on were disasters. See Iraq war, 2003. She pretended she didn't have access to the same information Sanders did, but if that's true, you can add willful ignorance to her skills in decision making.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Otherwise, it just looks like you're whining about Sanders taking this all the way to Philly.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)while under an FBI investigation.
-none
(1,884 posts)How is Hillary is still in the game? Easy, she is part of the 1% and above the law.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)The democratic party is gonna get it's ass handed to it in November.
A week ago, I would have said "our asses", but I'd like to thank Hillary for giving me a big piece of my life back. Fuck politics, this is all spectator sport from here on out.
I have no idea which November evil is worse, and I really don't think it's worth any more of my time separating the chaff from the chaff.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)There are some clubs one is better off not being invited to.
Present company included.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)This place is NOT better off with you incessant, empty whining about HRC.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)nowhere unless the party turns its' back on me with it's selection. At that point, the party has no room to squawk. As it stands, Trump is appealing to working class voters with promises to bring the jobs back. I am not saying I would vote for him, nor am I saying I would withhold my vote, but others have suggested they may do just that. I don't mind explaining this over and over until I am blue in the face, if that's what is necessary to save to party from itself. When and why did we reject labor wholesale?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I am not sure why we are obligated to answer questions you invent.
But, your criticisms of HRC go far, far beyond labor issues. If you stuck to the labor point, you'd have a lot more people at DU paying attention.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Soon, I hope.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)ieoeja
(9,748 posts)They periodically sent polled us on "which subject is most important to you". Every time I wrote into the comments section, "why is Labor not even on the list?" Because every time Labor was not one of the listed issues.
Every time.
No, silvershadow did not invent this. The DNC did. And they refuse to even acknowledge it.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Next year this time, they will be invading a bird sanctuary or something.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Losing is hard.
amborin
(16,631 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Clinton isn't going to be indicted.
I'm glad reading all of the Fox News links brought you around to seeing the light.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511835706
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511835642
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)That she would stain my name and my party with her nonsense is a bridge too far for me.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)how *many Bernie supporters they are seeing. It was efffusive reporting from PA.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I am very excited to watch the results come in tonight. I feel it will be a big night for Clinton. Not that it is needed, but we will take all of the momentum we can get. Good luck.
A little MSNBC reading for you.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/sanders-braces-rough-night-pennsylvania-4-other-states?cid=sm_fb_msnbc
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)I can even change my reply titles to something much more provacative, yet totally and verifiably true. The more times something gets posted, the higher it goes on google. Kind of fun, really, and since it is true it is a public service.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I love that you don't even hide the fact that you want Fox News links promoted as much as possible.
As for wanting to promote the email story as you are, that right wing propaganda is on you. Fox News. That is what your are excited about promoting on google? I guess that says it all about your support of Sanders.
Seems like you are reading every word of my blather.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)And the President of the United States was there earlier this month, while Hillary and the Clinton Foundation have received millions from them. Save your faux outrage for the uninformed.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)To deliver our message to conservatives. Just the opposite. I cheer them. Our message wins all day every day.
I'm not sure the point you are trying to make. Doesn't seem to be from anything I posted.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Don't pretend you weren't insulting posters who link to FOX even with caveats - I've been one of your targets. In this case, you insulted the second source despite the fact the chair of the DNC is the source doing an interview on FOX.
No reasonable person here is going to take FOX at face value, but verifiable information is the way sensible people draw conclusions.
I don't know if the change in management at FOX is going to bring them back wholly from "total propaganda tool" but I do know they've been getting some good scoops lately, and they have helped prove Hillary Clinton has lied to the public repeatedly, and appears to have committed perjury.
At this point, I believe the FOX leaked Inspector General letter to Congress. I am not happy that I had to learn about it from them, but at least the Internet meant I didn't have to waste my time watching them.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)There is simply no truth in that at all.
You also couldn't back up your claim with anything I said. Not one thing.
Thanks for clearing up your very misleading post. I appreciate it.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Here is an example of your insulting me about FOX --
"You op is not worthy of this place. It reads like something at Free Republic. That is the simple truth." http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511810912#post5
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Wow. Promotion of five Fox News links in the same op. Well done.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)At the end of the day, I'll believe the FBI. Have a good one!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I'm glad we rooted out the fact your issue with me is my knowledge of how the right wing Fox News works.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)It's a link to the "Motion to Show Cause" as Politico and Vice News are participating in some of the 38 FOIA lawsuits that Madame Secretary started. Turns out the DOJ is doing "secret motions" because releasing any of the 30,000 emails she deleted (yoga and her daughter's wedding) will cause "harm to their investigation".
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/20/1518134/-Very-interesting-update-today-in-regards-to-the-FBI-Clinton-Server-InvestigationLawyers for a reporter demanding access to email messages and files the FBI has reportedly retrieved from Hillary Clinton's private server are objecting to a secret filing the Justice Department submitted to a federal court last month as part of a bid to keep those messages under wraps.
In a motion filed Tuesday, attorneys for Vice News reporter Jason Leopold formally protested the classified declaration the FBI filed offering U.S. District Court Judge Randy Moss additional details about the ongoing FBI investigation into how classified information wound up on Clinton's private server, which hosted the personal email account she used in lieu of a government one during her four years as secretary of state.
(snip)
This filing by the Department of Justice was made in-camera and ex parte, which is essentially a private meeting with a judge, without the other party, public, or press being notified or present.
That is unique - it means the reasoning for denying the request is detrimental, not just the content. (more at link)
Not FOX. Just more fallout from Hillary and her Epic Bad Judgment.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Because obviously your guy can't win this on his own merit.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Optimism
(142 posts)Not gender. Not convenient primary promises. Policy stances and issues only. I align with Bernie 99% of the time. I will vote for him regardless of what letter follows his name ... D, I, or G.
Superdelegates who have thwarted the overwhelming vote of the people here in WA state ... not so much.
