2016 Postmortem
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from a home server kept in your basement ?
jfern
(5,204 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)If you're a normal person then probably losing your job, going to jail etc, but if you're connected then likely nothing.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)If not you would already be in jail.
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berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)race baiting... nice nice nice nice.. you've covered all you hrc funded guidelines.. cha ching ..
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berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)you are still a misogynist.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)national security breach resulting from your candidates negligent handling of classified information.
And good luck with you candidates FBI criminal corruption investigation.
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berniepdx420
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berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)I'm sad that you don't see how corrupt and paid for your candidate is.. it saddens me that the concentration of wealth, money in politics and many more wars is what comes with your candidate.. I like Democracy not Oligarchy and Plutocracy...
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Some folks have this idea that mishandling of any classified data results in long jail sentences. But most mishandling of classified data is accidental, not a deliberate release of classified data to unauthorized personnel. In most cases, such cases are handled with a caution and a training refresher. More severe cases result in a suspension of a security clearance while the matter is investigated, and then either restoral of the clearance with training, or a revocation (and often job loss). Only cases involving deliberate release of classified information to unauthorized personnel typically results in any kind of criminal case. Intent does matter here.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)the taint this has smeared on ALL Democrats. She should have immediately did the decent and honorable thing and stepped aside. She didn't. I now have to put up with shit from all sides, once again, trying to defend myself, my party, and my own honor and dignity for the sake of a Clinton fuck up. Again. She inflicts this on all of us and I have sit here and act like she is a serious candidate. We are at a crossroads. The Great Tectonic Split is well underway. Would have been a much less stressful transition for the party if she hadn't been so selfish. I"m sorry they got to her, but it was her own damn fault. Quit blaming Bernie folks and get over it. She did you dirty. You're just apparently the last to get a grip on it.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I have said what happens in most cases. I've held a securoty clearance for 30 years, and I have seen just about every kind of securoty violation, except actual spying.
I think some of the Sanders supporters are playing the "but any other person would be in jail" card without any actual knowledge or experience.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)It is that simple. But that's not eve her worst flaw, as bad as that is. Her worst flaw is choosing the Corporate State over the Constitution. Writing and shepherding the TPP and other stuff like it that further solidifies the Corporate State and cedes (likely unconstitutionally) more and more of our very sovereignty to that State and the International players. I actually don't think she has the intellect to comprehend the magnitude of the situation at hand.
Oh and without the transcripts, I can only assume the worst. In my mind that means quid pro quo. Nobody makes that kind of money for a 20-minute "speech". Nobody.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)All you are confirming is that you want to hunt to succeed, WAY overblowing what this means.
As to the other issues, I wasn't posting about that, and I'll leave that for other threads.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)It's not at all clear to me she violated the law in any respect. AFAIK, none of the emails she received or sent were known to be classified at the time. Intent matters.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)your position?
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Take off your indigence hat for a second, and try actually talking with me, instead of making up my position as you go along.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I also think Bernie owes me and other party members respect.
Now that we agree that we should all respect each other, what does that have to do with the issue?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)stepped aside for the good of the party.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)The FBI conducted the investigation at the request of the DoJ who did it based on the political witch hunt initiated by Congressional Republicans.
Clinton is not the first SoS to use a private email. Why aren't there FBI investigations about THEM? Politics, of course. There wasn;t a political special committee established with the sole purpose of politically attacking them.
But hey! Keep carrying that GOP water.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)She is absolutely the first to circumvent the security protocols of the Secret Service and install a server in her private residence home. She is definitely the first to do it.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)residences is grounds enough for willful negligence..if not criminal negligence
There is concrete evidence that she stripped off classified tags from documents and emailed them through the server in question. The State Department has admitted she had over 2,000 highly classified documents on her server.
And now it seems she is being criminally investigated on Corruption charges.. coming out of the information the FBI was able to obtain from the emails she had erased after they were requested by State. The leaked information from 3 sources say it is related to the donors and donations made to the Clinton Foundation
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Decades. I wouldn't be out of Leavenworth till I was forty.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)probably very little penalty involved. Usually there is more than one source for the same classified information within the government.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)them and they have granted immunity to the IT she hired to install it with out Secret Service's permission or clearance. Willful negligence that is...
and now the investigation has opened up a new corruption side..
you know she is corrupt.. and you know those emails they recovered are gonna show sum of that...
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Politics is not a zero sum game... good luck with the rest of the voting and the FBI investigation...
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)That's awesome. Maybe your states delegates will be the ones to put her over the top. I'm excited for you.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The recent influx of Fox News hanger-ons.
Carry on.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)cover it...
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)on clinton.. either the National Securtiy classified email Criminal negligence case
and also the Criminal Corruption Investigation against her.. having to do with Quid Pro Quot... donors to the clinton foundation and official SOS business/paybacks
They don't cover it even when there are 3 sources...
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)That was hilarious. Of course Fox is one of the very few willing to promote insane right wing conspiracy theories.
Good one. You had me going for a second.
Love your angle at poking fun of the Fox News hanger-ons. Funny stuff.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)...I can hear the Indictment Fairy whispering to me from the sock drawer, saying, "Just a little longer, randome. Just...a little longer."
Then I wake up to discover I was never asleep in the first place.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)beedle
(1,235 posts)It should be a one way ticket to the Moscow airport and a month suck there waiting for Putin to approve your visa.
But that's for heroes who try to expose government criminality, if you commit government criminality I think they treat you slightly better
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)an FBI Criminal Corruption Investigation... stemming from the emails clinton erased and the FBI was able to recover
Thats on top of the possible criminal handling of National Security classified emails...left on her personal residence basement server.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)That's what gives the indictment fairy his strength!
Here, I'll get you started.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)It's say that Democrats actually wish & pray that another Democrat will be harmed by a silly non-issue of a partisan-fueled scandal, just for your own candidate's political gain.
PS - (for the, y'know...)
Bettie
(16,110 posts)laws and rules apply differently to different people. It's all about the name.
dr60omg
(283 posts)There will probably be no penalty for the once and future queen. But, for underlings and whistleblowers a cell awaits
Unicorn
(424 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)I feel so proud to be covred under the big umbrella
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)5 U.S.C. § 552
(i)(4)(G) In the event of noncompliance with the order of the court, the district court may punish for contempt the responsible employee, and in the case of a uniformed service, the responsible member.
Generally, the punishment is being jailed until compliance is met. In this case, it already has. The court would likely punish her with something symbolic, but of little substance.
And while it should be taken as a serious offense by Democrats**, it would ironically be camouflaged by all the white noise generated by previous false charges by the VRWC. She rises in the polls every time they go after her because they overplayed this hand so many times they no longer have any credibility.
[font size=1]**Republicans hate the FOIA. So they would be consistent in their beliefs when ignoring this for one of their candidates.[/font]