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Question: What's the penalty for erasing Classified Materials ? (Original Post) berniepdx420 Apr 2016 OP
It depends, are you some random underling, or a very very very important person? jfern Apr 2016 #1
for arguments sake ..lets say a very very very important person berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #4
Well, that many verys, you might as well be above the law! nt VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #53
Depends. Kentonio Apr 2016 #2
I'm rooting for Justice !! berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #5
Depends... Is your surname Clinton? peacebird Apr 2016 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #6
we shall see.. no matter.. we will see you at the convention.. berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #8
/ berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #24
misogynists.. thats is a knee slapper.. if you only knew how funny that is... gender baiting .. berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #33
wrong again..sis berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #37
The tumblr delegation would like to remind you that if you have policy reasons for opposing Clinton VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #54
Yeah, good luck with that! NT Adrahil Apr 2016 #10
Why thank you.. and good luck with your candidate's FBI criminal investigation for a berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #25
No.. I enjoy my emoticons.. sorry berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #32
thanks for the name calling..it's delightful..I've been quite clear and direct.. berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #38
I swear I just thought that! obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #21
If it were me, probably life. For others, meh...it's just a thing. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #9
Really, no..... Adrahil Apr 2016 #12
On the other hand, you have presumed the entirety of the case(s). And ignored silvershadow Apr 2016 #16
I haven't assumed anything. Adrahil Apr 2016 #17
No, we just think ANYONE else would have immediately done the honorable thing for party. silvershadow Apr 2016 #26
It's a political witch hunt. Adrahil Apr 2016 #27
Well they found one didn't they? You think I deserve to be caught up in it? silvershadow Apr 2016 #28
No, I don't think so. Adrahil Apr 2016 #40
So she doesn't owe a certain level of respect to me or the party members? Is that silvershadow Apr 2016 #43
What? I don't even know what that has to do with our conversation. Adrahil Apr 2016 #45
Ok. Does she owe a certain level of respect to me or to the other party members? silvershadow Apr 2016 #48
Of course she does. That doesn't mean she has to do what you want. Adrahil Apr 2016 #49
Her very candidacy is a disrespect of epic proportions. Anyone else would have silvershadow Apr 2016 #50
Lol! zappaman Apr 2016 #66
Its the FBI.. not Congress.. no witch hunt here.. nice try though.. care to try again ? berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #39
How snarky! Adrahil Apr 2016 #42
Wrong on the first point.. not initiated by Congressional Republicans... berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #44
Secret Service? The Secret Service has nothing to do with this. NT Adrahil Apr 2016 #47
You are correct.. i miss spoke..it was not the Secret Service it was NSA.. please correct the record berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #51
I think purposefully circumventing the Secret Service and putting a server in your personal berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #34
Looking at the example of Chelsea Manning for me? VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #55
Depends on when the material was classified. And, if it was ERASED and not shared Jitter65 Apr 2016 #13
over half were erased after they were requested from State.. luckily the FBI was able to recover berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #20
The Presidency. Sorry Sanders lost. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2016 #15
Not yet my friend.. not yet.. see you at the Convention berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #18
You're going to the convention? NCTraveler Apr 2016 #23
and snark you too berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #35
My bad. I thought your op was mocking... NCTraveler Apr 2016 #52
we have found out the hard way the Clinton News Network (CNN) wont berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #60
Won't cover what? nt. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #61
any new (leaked) information from the FBI's Criminal Investigation berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #62
ok. Now I know you are making fun of our new Fox News crowd. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #63
....you .... berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #64
Hold on. I can't hear you. I'm doing business with China. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #67
Sometimes, late at night, when the raccoons begin to rustle and the birds begin to dream... randome Apr 2016 #19
We shall see.. and we'll see you at the convention.. berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #22
Yes we sure will. It will be a raucous event. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #30
Another tweet suffering from delusions of grandure by masqurading as an OP. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #36
Theoretically beedle Apr 2016 #41
well said berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #46
Sanders fans still hoping for an 11th-hour indictment save? Tarc Apr 2016 #56
You haven't heard Tarc.. the investigation has branched out to berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #59
Clap real hard! Tarc Apr 2016 #68
can you hear that from your view point..... berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #69
Well, I'm sorry you feel that way Tarc Apr 2016 #71
Depends on who you are Bettie Apr 2016 #57
That is contingent on who you are dr60omg Apr 2016 #58
Depends on who the president is. Unicorn Apr 2016 #65
Apparently, the penalty is to be nominated as the Democratic Party candidate demwing Apr 2016 #70
Contempt of court. ieoeja Apr 2016 #72
 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
2. Depends.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:30 AM
Apr 2016

If you're a normal person then probably losing your job, going to jail etc, but if you're connected then likely nothing.

Response to berniepdx420 (Original post)

Response to berniepdx420 (Reply #7)

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
11. /
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:03 AM
Apr 2016
your words are aggressive.. it shows you are concerned.. she is as crooked as they come and you know this mannnnn

Response to berniepdx420 (Reply #11)

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
31. misogynists.. thats is a knee slapper.. if you only knew how funny that is... gender baiting ..
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:38 AM
Apr 2016

race baiting... nice nice nice nice.. you've covered all you hrc funded guidelines.. cha ching ..

Response to berniepdx420 (Reply #31)

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
54. The tumblr delegation would like to remind you that if you have policy reasons for opposing Clinton
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:03 AM
Apr 2016

you are still a misogynist.

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
14. Why thank you.. and good luck with your candidate's FBI criminal investigation for a
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:08 AM
Apr 2016

national security breach resulting from your candidates negligent handling of classified information.

And good luck with you candidates FBI criminal corruption investigation.

Response to berniepdx420 (Reply #14)

Response to berniepdx420 (Reply #29)

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
38. thanks for the name calling..it's delightful..I've been quite clear and direct..
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:50 AM
Apr 2016

I'm sad that you don't see how corrupt and paid for your candidate is.. it saddens me that the concentration of wealth, money in politics and many more wars is what comes with your candidate.. I like Democracy not Oligarchy and Plutocracy...

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
12. Really, no.....
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:05 AM
Apr 2016

Some folks have this idea that mishandling of any classified data results in long jail sentences. But most mishandling of classified data is accidental, not a deliberate release of classified data to unauthorized personnel. In most cases, such cases are handled with a caution and a training refresher. More severe cases result in a suspension of a security clearance while the matter is investigated, and then either restoral of the clearance with training, or a revocation (and often job loss). Only cases involving deliberate release of classified information to unauthorized personnel typically results in any kind of criminal case. Intent does matter here.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
16. On the other hand, you have presumed the entirety of the case(s). And ignored
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:12 AM
Apr 2016

the taint this has smeared on ALL Democrats. She should have immediately did the decent and honorable thing and stepped aside. She didn't. I now have to put up with shit from all sides, once again, trying to defend myself, my party, and my own honor and dignity for the sake of a Clinton fuck up. Again. She inflicts this on all of us and I have sit here and act like she is a serious candidate. We are at a crossroads. The Great Tectonic Split is well underway. Would have been a much less stressful transition for the party if she hadn't been so selfish. I"m sorry they got to her, but it was her own damn fault. Quit blaming Bernie folks and get over it. She did you dirty. You're just apparently the last to get a grip on it.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
17. I haven't assumed anything.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:17 AM
Apr 2016

I have said what happens in most cases. I've held a securoty clearance for 30 years, and I have seen just about every kind of securoty violation, except actual spying.

I think some of the Sanders supporters are playing the "but any other person would be in jail" card without any actual knowledge or experience.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
26. No, we just think ANYONE else would have immediately done the honorable thing for party.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:28 AM
Apr 2016

It is that simple. But that's not eve her worst flaw, as bad as that is. Her worst flaw is choosing the Corporate State over the Constitution. Writing and shepherding the TPP and other stuff like it that further solidifies the Corporate State and cedes (likely unconstitutionally) more and more of our very sovereignty to that State and the International players. I actually don't think she has the intellect to comprehend the magnitude of the situation at hand.

Oh and without the transcripts, I can only assume the worst. In my mind that means quid pro quo. Nobody makes that kind of money for a 20-minute "speech". Nobody.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
27. It's a political witch hunt.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:34 AM
Apr 2016

All you are confirming is that you want to hunt to succeed, WAY overblowing what this means.

As to the other issues, I wasn't posting about that, and I'll leave that for other threads.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
40. No, I don't think so.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:54 AM
Apr 2016

It's not at all clear to me she violated the law in any respect. AFAIK, none of the emails she received or sent were known to be classified at the time. Intent matters.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
45. What? I don't even know what that has to do with our conversation.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:02 AM
Apr 2016

Take off your indigence hat for a second, and try actually talking with me, instead of making up my position as you go along.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
49. Of course she does. That doesn't mean she has to do what you want.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:10 AM
Apr 2016

I also think Bernie owes me and other party members respect.

Now that we agree that we should all respect each other, what does that have to do with the issue?

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
50. Her very candidacy is a disrespect of epic proportions. Anyone else would have
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:14 AM
Apr 2016

stepped aside for the good of the party.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
42. How snarky!
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:58 AM
Apr 2016

The FBI conducted the investigation at the request of the DoJ who did it based on the political witch hunt initiated by Congressional Republicans.

Clinton is not the first SoS to use a private email. Why aren't there FBI investigations about THEM? Politics, of course. There wasn;t a political special committee established with the sole purpose of politically attacking them.

But hey! Keep carrying that GOP water.

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
44. Wrong on the first point.. not initiated by Congressional Republicans...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:02 AM
Apr 2016

She is absolutely the first to circumvent the security protocols of the Secret Service and install a server in her private residence home. She is definitely the first to do it.

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
34. I think purposefully circumventing the Secret Service and putting a server in your personal
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:46 AM
Apr 2016

residences is grounds enough for willful negligence..if not criminal negligence

There is concrete evidence that she stripped off classified tags from documents and emailed them through the server in question. The State Department has admitted she had over 2,000 highly classified documents on her server.

And now it seems she is being criminally investigated on Corruption charges.. coming out of the information the FBI was able to obtain from the emails she had erased after they were requested by State. The leaked information from 3 sources say it is related to the donors and donations made to the Clinton Foundation

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
55. Looking at the example of Chelsea Manning for me?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:04 AM
Apr 2016

Decades. I wouldn't be out of Leavenworth till I was forty.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
13. Depends on when the material was classified. And, if it was ERASED and not shared
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:05 AM
Apr 2016

probably very little penalty involved. Usually there is more than one source for the same classified information within the government.

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
20. over half were erased after they were requested from State.. luckily the FBI was able to recover
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:23 AM
Apr 2016

them and they have granted immunity to the IT she hired to install it with out Secret Service's permission or clearance. Willful negligence that is...

and now the investigation has opened up a new corruption side..

you know she is corrupt.. and you know those emails they recovered are gonna show sum of that...

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
18. Not yet my friend.. not yet.. see you at the Convention
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:20 AM
Apr 2016

Politics is not a zero sum game... good luck with the rest of the voting and the FBI investigation...

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
23. You're going to the convention?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:26 AM
Apr 2016

That's awesome. Maybe your states delegates will be the ones to put her over the top. I'm excited for you.

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
62. any new (leaked) information from the FBI's Criminal Investigation
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:46 PM
Apr 2016

on clinton.. either the National Securtiy classified email Criminal negligence case

and also the Criminal Corruption Investigation against her.. having to do with Quid Pro Quot... donors to the clinton foundation and official SOS business/paybacks

They don't cover it even when there are 3 sources...

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
63. ok. Now I know you are making fun of our new Fox News crowd.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:50 PM
Apr 2016

That was hilarious. Of course Fox is one of the very few willing to promote insane right wing conspiracy theories.

Good one. You had me going for a second.

Love your angle at poking fun of the Fox News hanger-ons. Funny stuff.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
19. Sometimes, late at night, when the raccoons begin to rustle and the birds begin to dream...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:21 AM
Apr 2016

...I can hear the Indictment Fairy whispering to me from the sock drawer, saying, "Just a little longer, randome. Just...a little longer."

Then I wake up to discover I was never asleep in the first place.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
41. Theoretically
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:55 AM
Apr 2016

It should be a one way ticket to the Moscow airport and a month suck there waiting for Putin to approve your visa.

But that's for heroes who try to expose government criminality, if you commit government criminality I think they treat you slightly better

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
59. You haven't heard Tarc.. the investigation has branched out to
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:27 PM
Apr 2016

an FBI Criminal Corruption Investigation... stemming from the emails clinton erased and the FBI was able to recover

Thats on top of the possible criminal handling of National Security classified emails...left on her personal residence basement server.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
71. Well, I'm sorry you feel that way
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:46 PM
Apr 2016

It's say that Democrats actually wish & pray that another Democrat will be harmed by a silly non-issue of a partisan-fueled scandal, just for your own candidate's political gain.

PS - (for the, y'know...)

dr60omg

(283 posts)
58. That is contingent on who you are
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:23 AM
Apr 2016

There will probably be no penalty for the once and future queen. But, for underlings and whistleblowers a cell awaits

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
70. Apparently, the penalty is to be nominated as the Democratic Party candidate
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:07 PM
Apr 2016

I feel so proud to be covred under the big umbrella

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
72. Contempt of court.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:53 PM
Apr 2016

5 U.S.C. § 552

(i)(4)(G) In the event of noncompliance with the order of the court, the district court may punish for contempt the responsible employee, and in the case of a uniformed service, the responsible member.



Generally, the punishment is being jailed until compliance is met. In this case, it already has. The court would likely punish her with something symbolic, but of little substance.

And while it should be taken as a serious offense by Democrats**, it would ironically be camouflaged by all the white noise generated by previous false charges by the VRWC. She rises in the polls every time they go after her because they overplayed this hand so many times they no longer have any credibility.

[font size=1]**Republicans hate the FOIA. So they would be consistent in their beliefs when ignoring this for one of their candidates.[/font]


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