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Freddie Stubbs

(29,853 posts)
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:44 AM Apr 2016

Sanders dodges on support for Clinton as nominee

Bernie Sanders in an interview early Tuesday dodged a question about whether he’d support Hillary Clinton without conditions if she becomes the Democratic presidential nominee.

“I think what the democratic process is about is going to the convention and arguing about what the platform should be,” Sanders said on CNN’s “New Day,” before shifting to healthcare.
“The media spends too much time speculating,” he said when pressed. “Let’s see what happens.”

“We’ll have a lot of delegates in Philadelphia fighting this fight,” he added, stressing an “agenda for the working people.”

more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/277618-sanders-dodges-on-support-for-clinton-as-nominee

Sounds like someone doesn't care what happens after he loses the nomination.

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Sanders dodges on support for Clinton as nominee (Original Post) Freddie Stubbs Apr 2016 OP
Sounds like someone concerned about Conservatives taking over the Democratic party. B Calm Apr 2016 #1
BOOM! Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #3
I would rather write in Elizabeth Warren or Jill Stein than vote for Charles Koch's nominee, HRC. Baobab Apr 2016 #40
Same here. I'm not being manipulated into voting for someone I don't trust. Crabby Abbey Apr 2016 #56
Or Elizabeth Warren, but not as VP. Baobab Apr 2016 #59
Exactly. GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #8
He's such a baby. grossproffit Apr 2016 #2
Crying that liberals have to support a republican... Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #4
Right, Saint Bernie can do no wrong. grossproffit Apr 2016 #9
This has more to do with her now then Bernie... Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #16
Like the time he didn't vote to invade Iraq. Octafish Apr 2016 #18
So did Kerry Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #21
I don't give a shit what Bernie says about Hillary. There is no way I would ever vote for her. Live and Learn Apr 2016 #31
Your hatred of a good woman is infuriating. grossproffit Apr 2016 #47
I Love the Idea of a Woman President liberalmike27 Apr 2016 #58
She's not a "good woman"; she is an interventionist hawk. Svafa Apr 2016 #79
You think if Bernie told us " you must vote fore Hillary" beedle Apr 2016 #73
It's more that Mrs Clinton can't do anything right. frylock Apr 2016 #80
Hillary is the drama queen throwing the temper tantrums, not Bernie. Baobab Apr 2016 #60
OMG, I completely forgot her saying that. Thanks for jogging this old mans B Calm Apr 2016 #65
Sounds like someone bvf Apr 2016 #5
Sounds like someone who used the party for the national recognition he couldn't . . . brush Apr 2016 #6
Yup -- disgraceful obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #10
He is a disgrace Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #13
Oh bullshit Lazy Daisy Apr 2016 #32
So why'd he just dodge the question about supporting Clinton? brush Apr 2016 #33
And that was answered in post #1. B Calm Apr 2016 #66
I'm sorry, who was trying to take over the party? brush Apr 2016 #68
Bernie is a Democrat, Hillary is pretending to be one. B Calm Apr 2016 #69
Why'd he just file as an independent to run for senate re-election in 2018 then? brush Apr 2016 #71
hahahhaha Unicorn Apr 2016 #85
That don't matter to me. He's an FDR Democrat with an independent label. Over 50% B Calm Apr 2016 #86
+1 Unicorn Apr 2016 #84
Bzzzt FAIL Armstead Apr 2016 #38
Graceless. nt Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #39
Maybe because she isn't the nominee, and doesn't deserve support? Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #7
Are you forgetting that there are 5 primaries today? Oh, she's the nominee all right. brush Apr 2016 #11
Keep taking things for granted, and you'll set the party up for major defeat in the GE. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #45
So now since you lost Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #12
+1 grossproffit Apr 2016 #14
Disgusting Bernie really! carburyme Apr 2016 #24
Sore loser. Yes. Very unbecoming. I think much more of our Dems. Nt seabeyond Apr 2016 #17
What world has the loser demanded the winner adopt his policy but the race of first woman President. seabeyond Apr 2016 #15
'Loser' is a loaded term. Octafish Apr 2016 #20
Sanders is the loser. Clinton is the winner. So, now being the loser is unacceptable term? seabeyond Apr 2016 #22
Sanders has not lost the nomination. Nor has Clinton won it. Octafish Apr 2016 #27
Loser and a winner. seabeyond Apr 2016 #37
You got it. Octafish Apr 2016 #43
Oh ya? Clinton gets the votes, Sanders doesn't yet demands she adopt his policy. You are off, there. seabeyond Apr 2016 #44
Sorry, where did he damand any such thing? beedle Apr 2016 #75
Hunt it down yourself. Not that tough. seabeyond Apr 2016 #81
Having trouble understanding what a convention is? Orsino Apr 2016 #48
Democrats have chosen. seabeyond Apr 2016 #49
Not all of them have even had a chance to vote. Orsino Apr 2016 #50
No rushing anything. Math matters and fuzzy math doesn't count. seabeyond Apr 2016 #52
So what will the platform turn out to be? Orsino Apr 2016 #53
Sure. I think Clinton has been pretty clear on the platform. The rest is to come. seabeyond Apr 2016 #54
You're imagining that Clinton holds all the cards, and that's just wrong. Orsino Apr 2016 #57
Well, lol, I do like the hand she holds. seabeyond Apr 2016 #62
Yes. It's an extremely good hand. n/t Orsino Apr 2016 #64
Really Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #23
Where did I call Hillary a crook? Does mere mention of the word send fear into you? Octafish Apr 2016 #28
How so? He lost. He's the loser. What, should we call him a non-winner? brush Apr 2016 #25
After the nominee is decided, call him or her that. Octafish Apr 2016 #29
Clintonites have never understood that Kittycat Apr 2016 #36
So, wait, you're saying Clinton is wrong to snub Sanders but Sanders is right to snub Clinton? randome Apr 2016 #74
Well, maybe we could make him feel better COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #61
Now that made me laugh. brush Apr 2016 #72
Seeing Bernie for who he is. He would rather get nothing done than to support HC. nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #19
I'm starting to see that, too. randome Apr 2016 #30
Then you're looking through an inverted lens Armstead Apr 2016 #41
You have it exactly ass backwards. morningfog Apr 2016 #35
Bingo Armstead Apr 2016 #42
It's hard to support such a corrupted politician.. berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #26
He's be a fool to concede all leverage now. morningfog Apr 2016 #34
So they tried to get him to swear fealty before the end of the primary race, and failed. Orsino Apr 2016 #46
Crucial word, Democratic Baobab Apr 2016 #67
My take on it is apcalc Apr 2016 #51
Sanders just can't take a hint, can he? stopbush Apr 2016 #55
Killed? beedle Apr 2016 #77
I don't remember Hillary or Obama trashing the Democratic Party in 2008 stopbush Apr 2016 #82
Believe it or not beedle Apr 2016 #83
As a lifelong Dem - joined in 1972 - I absolutely disagree with your entire assessment of the party. stopbush Apr 2016 #87
Whatever nt Autumn Apr 2016 #63
I heard him say Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #70
Well to be fair to Hillary supporters beedle Apr 2016 #78
good for him wendylaroux Apr 2016 #76

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
40. I would rather write in Elizabeth Warren or Jill Stein than vote for Charles Koch's nominee, HRC.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:30 AM
Apr 2016

I will not vote for the Koch's agenda.

 

Crabby Abbey

(66 posts)
56. Same here. I'm not being manipulated into voting for someone I don't trust.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:48 AM
Apr 2016

I have never cast a vote I didn't feel good about at the time and am not about to start now. Sanders or Stein. I don't see any other viable options.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
59. Or Elizabeth Warren, but not as VP.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:58 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary should retire and go to work for the drug industry or write another book or go into therapy or something.

She is too divisive a figure to be in US politics.

Maybe she and Bill could open a restaurant in one of her home towns. Or a chain.

Maybe that would be more appropriate to her aspirations of grandeur.

 

Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
4. Crying that liberals have to support a republican...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:50 AM
Apr 2016

because it's her turn. But sure. Bernies the one crying.

 

Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
16. This has more to do with her now then Bernie...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:03 AM
Apr 2016

I'm a liberal. Now how does she garner my vote when most of her policies policies aren't liberal/progressive?

How the hell did she garner your vote with her policies? Unless you aren't a liberal either.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
18. Like the time he didn't vote to invade Iraq.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:04 AM
Apr 2016

Like the time he didn't vote to bail out the Banksters.

Hillary did, though.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
21. So did Kerry
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:07 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie supported Kerry...who took money from PACs and all the rest: so that makes Bernie a hypocrite right? You have to wonder if it is the fact she is a woman. I think this will backfire on him. Hope he loses big and slinks back to Vermont...I can't stand him.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
31. I don't give a shit what Bernie says about Hillary. There is no way I would ever vote for her.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:36 AM
Apr 2016

Your hatred of a good man is perplexing.

Your worship of a woman that has done so much to hurt the people of this country is infuriating.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
73. You think if Bernie told us " you must vote fore Hillary"
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:29 PM
Apr 2016

that would change our minds on Hillary?

Sorry, we like Bernie's ideals, but he doesn't tell use what to do .. and he is honest and gracious enough to realize that, which is why he said that Hillary would have to be responsible for winning over his supporters if she won the primaries.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
60. Hillary is the drama queen throwing the temper tantrums, not Bernie.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:03 AM
Apr 2016

She's the one forgetting what she said just a few years ago about staying in the race through thick or thin.

Remember when she said basically that because RFK had been killed in June while campaigning she had to remain - implying that Obama might get assassinated - so she had to stay in?




 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
5. Sounds like someone
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:50 AM
Apr 2016

isn't going to jettison his principles for the sake of the media's entertainment and your own thin skin.

brush

(53,787 posts)
6. Sounds like someone who used the party for the national recognition he couldn't . . .
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:52 AM
Apr 2016

get as an independent and now that he didn't win doesn't care what happens to the party.

He's already filed as an independent for his 2018 re-election run for the Senate.

That's called covering your bases for whatever happens — totally looking out for number one.

 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
32. Oh bullshit
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:43 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie said he would do everything he could to make sure no Republican made it to The White House.

 

Unicorn

(424 posts)
85. hahahhaha
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:31 PM
Apr 2016
Because he sees the future and knows his supporters will all be Independents by then tooo.

hahahahahah

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
86. That don't matter to me. He's an FDR Democrat with an independent label. Over 50%
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:39 PM
Apr 2016

of registered voters are now registered independent because they feel their party no longer represents them. Bernie is running for president under the Democratic ticket because he sees how Conservatives are taking over the Democratic party.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
38. Bzzzt FAIL
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:27 AM
Apr 2016

If berenie were "looking out for number one" he'd already be expressing unquestioning support for Clinton if she gets the nom, and having behind the scenes discussions for his "payback" for falling into line.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
12. So now since you lost
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:00 AM
Apr 2016

You think you should 'f' up the convention...really Bernie. You are the worst sore loser I have ever seen. Honestly, I turn the TV off when he comes on...can't stand him. Well if you can't win then someone has to pay...not your fault of course.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
27. Sanders has not lost the nomination. Nor has Clinton won it.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:29 AM
Apr 2016

Calling someone a loser isn't fair, then, is it?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
44. Oh ya? Clinton gets the votes, Sanders doesn't yet demands she adopt his policy. You are off, there.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:45 AM
Apr 2016

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
48. Having trouble understanding what a convention is?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:18 AM
Apr 2016

We can all be winners if the candidate's and delegates involved choose the best planks for a platform.

This isn't some stupid football game. Our lives and livelihoods are at stake.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
50. Not all of them have even had a chance to vote.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:37 AM
Apr 2016

In the rush to declare a single "winner," and to gloat over a sinfle "loser," the stakes seem to be the only thing lost.

When more than one candidate has delegates at a convention, the agenda isn't going to be 100% one person's. You can take whatever satisfaction you want in Clinton probably having the most leverage, but she is not such a fool as to believe that Sanders will have none. The precise ratio is still to be worked out, and I hope you'll stay interested enough to lobby for the agenda you want. Our candidates and delegates are still in a special listening mode.

When the convention's over, Democrats could maybe be said to have spoken, but there is still a long battle ahead in the general, when even more Democrats are likely to speak.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
53. So what will the platform turn out to be?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:43 AM
Apr 2016

Who will be the running mate? Who will be in the Cabinet?

Much is still to be decided, and you and I ought to care.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
57. You're imagining that Clinton holds all the cards, and that's just wrong.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:50 AM
Apr 2016

If Sanders and all his however-many delegates vanished from the face of the earth, or Sanders suddenly flip-flopped and endorsed everything Clinton has ever said, you might have a point.

Please don't give up yet. Your candidate and her delegates can be lobbied hard now, as they won't be after the convention. I urge you and every Democrat not to give up your voices yet. Make that platform what you want it to be.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
23. Really
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:09 AM
Apr 2016

Well since Bernie supporters have called Hillary a crook over and over ...I can't see the problem. How about this ...losing makes him spiteful and mean.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
28. Where did I call Hillary a crook? Does mere mention of the word send fear into you?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:30 AM
Apr 2016

It should, because using it is like comparing her to Nixon.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
29. After the nominee is decided, call him or her that.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:32 AM
Apr 2016

Until then, I think it's a loaded term.

If I'm a Sanders voter in California and I hear how candidate is a "loser," I might not be so inclined to support him in public with my voice or in the privacy of the voting booth with my vote.

Now do you understand?

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
36. Clintonites have never understood that
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:22 AM
Apr 2016

You're either for them, or against them. Which was clear by her statements last night indicating that she has no intentions of winning over Bernie's supporters. We either adopt her platform, or pound sand. But see, there's an another edge to that sword. She either earns our votes by becoming a real democrat vs a neoliberal warmonger, or she doesn't earn our votes. I have other liberal candidates I can vote for or write in. But most importantly, I have real democratic candidates down ballot to help get elected not just in my state, but all over. Bernie wasn't the end to a means - he became a national voice to a movement that was shut out.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
74. So, wait, you're saying Clinton is wrong to snub Sanders but Sanders is right to snub Clinton?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:31 PM
Apr 2016

Do I have that right? How about this: both candidates are still in campaign-mode and prone to trash-talk the other? That sounds more likely to me than the 'conspiracy theory' that Clinton hates everyone.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
61. Well, maybe we could make him feel better
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:05 AM
Apr 2016

by giving him a Certificate of Participation. Because there are no winners, only competitors.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
30. I'm starting to see that, too.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:34 AM
Apr 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
41. Then you're looking through an inverted lens
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:36 AM
Apr 2016

Perhaps he thinks -- and I totally agree -- that if Clinton were to actually stand up for the people and clearly stand for widely held goals that sanders has been standing up for, she could clean the clock of the GOP and revilatize the Democratic Party.

People can obviously disagree with that. Nothing wrong with healthy disagreement.

But mean spirited moronic distortions about motives to slime Sanders and dismiss the VERY large movement of people from all walks of life who support him and those goals (and is shaerd by a wide spectrum of other Democrats and independents) is....well it just makes me

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
46. So they tried to get him to swear fealty before the end of the primary race, and failed.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:15 AM
Apr 2016

He already pledged to support the Democratic nominee. No fair trying to trick him into the sound bite you want.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
67. Crucial word, Democratic
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:06 PM
Apr 2016

dem·o·crat·ic
ˌdeməˈkradik/
adjective
adjective: democratic; adjective: Democratic

1.
of, relating to, or supporting democracy or its principles.
"democratic reforms"
synonyms: elected, representative, popular, parliamentary; More
egalitarian, classless;
self-governing, autonomous, republican
"a young democratic government"
favoring or characterized by social equality; egalitarian.
"cycling is a democratic activity that can be enjoyed by anyone"
2.
of or relating to the Democratic Party.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
55. Sanders just can't take a hint, can he?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:47 AM
Apr 2016

He's being killed in the primaries, but he wants to continue on in the primaries. He's horrible in debates, but he wants more of them.

Is there a less self-aware politician out there?

Democrats are saying NO to Sanders by the millions. He's lost. Democrats have picked Hillary. But his ego and hubris will keep him in the race where he'll continue to be slapped in he face in primary after primary. And his supporters will cheer every defeat as a great victory because? He got to repeat his boring stump speech another 30 times? They got to hear that they occupy a higher moral ground than the rest of us?

A pathetic little man hellbent on destroying what little bit of goodwill remains towards him in the Democratic Party after months of his mean-spirited bullshit.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
77. Killed?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:40 PM
Apr 2016

Until NYS primaries he was doing much better than Hillary was at the same time in 2008 (Hillary needed around 75% of the remaining vote in 2008, Bernie needed 67%) ... I haven't done the comparison since the NY primaries, but he may still be doing better than her, but if not, it's not significantly worst.

If it was acceptable for Hillary to stay in, even after she was totally mathematically eliminated (she didn't officially concede until a week after all the primaries were finished ... hoping for a miracle I guess? Maybe an assassination or some other 'joyous' event?) then is perfectly acceptable for Bernie to stay in as well.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
82. I don't remember Hillary or Obama trashing the Democratic Party in 2008
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:47 PM
Apr 2016

the way Sanders has been trashing it in 2016. They are both Democrats, Sanders is a DINO.

He can't win. The least he could do is get out, stop the party bashing and start showing some support for the party that allowed him to run in their primaries.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
83. Believe it or not
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:27 PM
Apr 2016

many people believe that the Democratic party has become the bought and paid for Establishment party ... you may not agree with it, but obviously many people do. A large minority within the Democratic party itself, and a significant portion (the size remains to be seen) of independents and former Democrats believe this to be true.

Bernie's campaign is not 'trashing' the Democratic party, it's trashing the corruption within the party.

It's pretty well established by everyone, including almost every member of the Establishment Democratic Party itself, that large sums of money in the political process causes corruption withing the political process ... now, the establishment politicians argue that while this might be true of others, it's certainly not true of them ... large sums of money never influences any of their decisions.

Well, except that that is a heaping pile of bull manure. Lobbyists are all over Washington with stacks and stacks of money, bills are passed and defeated and when you look at the will of the people vs the will of the lobbyists, the figures clearly show that it is always the lobbyists' opinions that get listened to .. the people's will only gets done when it happens to align with the lobbyists will.

So the evidence clearly shows that Washington is heavily influenced by lobbyists money in politics, yet all the politicians claim it's not them.

Bernie is not 'bashing' the Democratic party, he is giving it a chance to save itself ... but the Democratic party has closed ranks and refused to acknowledge the reality of corruption within their party. Fine, it's your party, you can crime if you want to. But don't go blaming Bernie for telling you the truth .. blame yourself for not listening to it.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
87. As a lifelong Dem - joined in 1972 - I absolutely disagree with your entire assessment of the party.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:04 PM
Apr 2016

You may choose to ignore the significant - even revolutionary - progress that has been made by Democrats over the past 30 years, but I cannot and I will not. This is the party that has always been on the forefront for human rights and a laundry list of other progressive ideals that the milquetoast, unorganized Independent voter could never hope to bring about without the Democratic Party carrying the ideological water.

Money in politics is a fact of political life, even though the Ds have fought against it. That Ds at this point in time realize that they need to fight legal fire with fire when it comes to campaign fund raising. And Sanders has no room to talk - he's raising more money than anyone else, and while it may be admirable that his "average" donation is under $30, the fact remains that his entire campaign has been an exercise in throwing money at the election process, rather than doing the time consuming, people-intensive on-the-ground work that Hillary has done to win votes for her candidacy. What matter where the money comes from if your idea of touching voters involves little more than blasting your image on TV and holding mega rallies that are significant in the fact that there is absolutely no dialogue going on at said events?

Unless you yourself are a registered Democrat, you have no say in how the party runs itself. If you don't want to vote for the candidate that we Dems have overwhelming selected as our nominee - Hillary Clinton - don't vote for her. We really don't care, because we've known all along that we can't count on the wishy-washy to be there when we need them.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
78. Well to be fair to Hillary supporters
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:42 PM
Apr 2016

technically the words 'Hillary' and 'Republican' are interchangeable in intelligent conversation.

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