2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders dodges on support for Clinton as nominee
Bernie Sanders in an interview early Tuesday dodged a question about whether hed support Hillary Clinton without conditions if she becomes the Democratic presidential nominee.
I think what the democratic process is about is going to the convention and arguing about what the platform should be, Sanders said on CNNs New Day, before shifting to healthcare.
The media spends too much time speculating, he said when pressed. Lets see what happens.
Well have a lot of delegates in Philadelphia fighting this fight, he added, stressing an agenda for the working people.
more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/277618-sanders-dodges-on-support-for-clinton-as-nominee
Sounds like someone doesn't care what happens after he loses the nomination.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Like I've said...I don't support republicans and she's the best republican left.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)I will not vote for the Koch's agenda.
Crabby Abbey
(66 posts)I have never cast a vote I didn't feel good about at the time and am not about to start now. Sanders or Stein. I don't see any other viable options.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Hillary should retire and go to work for the drug industry or write another book or go into therapy or something.
She is too divisive a figure to be in US politics.
Maybe she and Bill could open a restaurant in one of her home towns. Or a chain.
Maybe that would be more appropriate to her aspirations of grandeur.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,378 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)because it's her turn. But sure. Bernies the one crying.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)I'm a liberal. Now how does she garner my vote when most of her policies policies aren't liberal/progressive?
How the hell did she garner your vote with her policies? Unless you aren't a liberal either.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Like the time he didn't vote to bail out the Banksters.
Hillary did, though.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Bernie supported Kerry...who took money from PACs and all the rest: so that makes Bernie a hypocrite right? You have to wonder if it is the fact she is a woman. I think this will backfire on him. Hope he loses big and slinks back to Vermont...I can't stand him.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Your hatred of a good man is perplexing.
Your worship of a woman that has done so much to hurt the people of this country is infuriating.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)But not this one.
Svafa
(594 posts)beedle
(1,235 posts)that would change our minds on Hillary?
Sorry, we like Bernie's ideals, but he doesn't tell use what to do .. and he is honest and gracious enough to realize that, which is why he said that Hillary would have to be responsible for winning over his supporters if she won the primaries.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)She's the one forgetting what she said just a few years ago about staying in the race through thick or thin.
Remember when she said basically that because RFK had been killed in June while campaigning she had to remain - implying that Obama might get assassinated - so she had to stay in?
B Calm
(28,762 posts)memory!
bvf
(6,604 posts)isn't going to jettison his principles for the sake of the media's entertainment and your own thin skin.
brush
(53,787 posts)get as an independent and now that he didn't win doesn't care what happens to the party.
He's already filed as an independent for his 2018 re-election run for the Senate.
That's called covering your bases for whatever happens totally looking out for number one.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)No doubt.
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)Bernie said he would do everything he could to make sure no Republican made it to The White House.
brush
(53,787 posts)That's what the OP is about.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)brush
(53,787 posts)Who just joined the party?
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Hillary = DINO
brush
(53,787 posts)hahahahahah
B Calm
(28,762 posts)of registered voters are now registered independent because they feel their party no longer represents them. Bernie is running for president under the Democratic ticket because he sees how Conservatives are taking over the Democratic party.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)If berenie were "looking out for number one" he'd already be expressing unquestioning support for Clinton if she gets the nom, and having behind the scenes discussions for his "payback" for falling into line.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)brush
(53,787 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)You think you should 'f' up the convention...really Bernie. You are the worst sore loser I have ever seen. Honestly, I turn the TV off when he comes on...can't stand him. Well if you can't win then someone has to pay...not your fault of course.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)carburyme
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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Like calling someone: "Crook."
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Calling someone a loser isn't fair, then, is it?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)beedle
(1,235 posts)link please.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)We can all be winners if the candidate's and delegates involved choose the best planks for a platform.
This isn't some stupid football game. Our lives and livelihoods are at stake.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)In the rush to declare a single "winner," and to gloat over a sinfle "loser," the stakes seem to be the only thing lost.
When more than one candidate has delegates at a convention, the agenda isn't going to be 100% one person's. You can take whatever satisfaction you want in Clinton probably having the most leverage, but she is not such a fool as to believe that Sanders will have none. The precise ratio is still to be worked out, and I hope you'll stay interested enough to lobby for the agenda you want. Our candidates and delegates are still in a special listening mode.
When the convention's over, Democrats could maybe be said to have spoken, but there is still a long battle ahead in the general, when even more Democrats are likely to speak.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Who will be the running mate? Who will be in the Cabinet?
Much is still to be decided, and you and I ought to care.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)If Sanders and all his however-many delegates vanished from the face of the earth, or Sanders suddenly flip-flopped and endorsed everything Clinton has ever said, you might have a point.
Please don't give up yet. Your candidate and her delegates can be lobbied hard now, as they won't be after the convention. I urge you and every Democrat not to give up your voices yet. Make that platform what you want it to be.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Well since Bernie supporters have called Hillary a crook over and over ...I can't see the problem. How about this ...losing makes him spiteful and mean.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)It should, because using it is like comparing her to Nixon.
brush
(53,787 posts)OK, I'm good with that.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Until then, I think it's a loaded term.
If I'm a Sanders voter in California and I hear how candidate is a "loser," I might not be so inclined to support him in public with my voice or in the privacy of the voting booth with my vote.
Now do you understand?
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)You're either for them, or against them. Which was clear by her statements last night indicating that she has no intentions of winning over Bernie's supporters. We either adopt her platform, or pound sand. But see, there's an another edge to that sword. She either earns our votes by becoming a real democrat vs a neoliberal warmonger, or she doesn't earn our votes. I have other liberal candidates I can vote for or write in. But most importantly, I have real democratic candidates down ballot to help get elected not just in my state, but all over. Bernie wasn't the end to a means - he became a national voice to a movement that was shut out.
randome
(34,845 posts)Do I have that right? How about this: both candidates are still in campaign-mode and prone to trash-talk the other? That sounds more likely to me than the 'conspiracy theory' that Clinton hates everyone.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)by giving him a Certificate of Participation. Because there are no winners, only competitors.
brush
(53,787 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Perhaps he thinks -- and I totally agree -- that if Clinton were to actually stand up for the people and clearly stand for widely held goals that sanders has been standing up for, she could clean the clock of the GOP and revilatize the Democratic Party.
People can obviously disagree with that. Nothing wrong with healthy disagreement.
But mean spirited moronic distortions about motives to slime Sanders and dismiss the VERY large movement of people from all walks of life who support him and those goals (and is shaerd by a wide spectrum of other Democrats and independents) is....well it just makes me
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)He already pledged to support the Democratic nominee. No fair trying to trick him into the sound bite you want.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)dem·o·crat·ic
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of, relating to, or supporting democracy or its principles.
"democratic reforms"
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favoring or characterized by social equality; egalitarian.
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2.
of or relating to the Democratic Party.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)They are both still in campaign mode.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)He's being killed in the primaries, but he wants to continue on in the primaries. He's horrible in debates, but he wants more of them.
Is there a less self-aware politician out there?
Democrats are saying NO to Sanders by the millions. He's lost. Democrats have picked Hillary. But his ego and hubris will keep him in the race where he'll continue to be slapped in he face in primary after primary. And his supporters will cheer every defeat as a great victory because? He got to repeat his boring stump speech another 30 times? They got to hear that they occupy a higher moral ground than the rest of us?
A pathetic little man hellbent on destroying what little bit of goodwill remains towards him in the Democratic Party after months of his mean-spirited bullshit.
Until NYS primaries he was doing much better than Hillary was at the same time in 2008 (Hillary needed around 75% of the remaining vote in 2008, Bernie needed 67%) ... I haven't done the comparison since the NY primaries, but he may still be doing better than her, but if not, it's not significantly worst.
If it was acceptable for Hillary to stay in, even after she was totally mathematically eliminated (she didn't officially concede until a week after all the primaries were finished ... hoping for a miracle I guess? Maybe an assassination or some other 'joyous' event?) then is perfectly acceptable for Bernie to stay in as well.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)the way Sanders has been trashing it in 2016. They are both Democrats, Sanders is a DINO.
He can't win. The least he could do is get out, stop the party bashing and start showing some support for the party that allowed him to run in their primaries.
beedle
(1,235 posts)many people believe that the Democratic party has become the bought and paid for Establishment party ... you may not agree with it, but obviously many people do. A large minority within the Democratic party itself, and a significant portion (the size remains to be seen) of independents and former Democrats believe this to be true.
Bernie's campaign is not 'trashing' the Democratic party, it's trashing the corruption within the party.
It's pretty well established by everyone, including almost every member of the Establishment Democratic Party itself, that large sums of money in the political process causes corruption withing the political process ... now, the establishment politicians argue that while this might be true of others, it's certainly not true of them ... large sums of money never influences any of their decisions.
Well, except that that is a heaping pile of bull manure. Lobbyists are all over Washington with stacks and stacks of money, bills are passed and defeated and when you look at the will of the people vs the will of the lobbyists, the figures clearly show that it is always the lobbyists' opinions that get listened to .. the people's will only gets done when it happens to align with the lobbyists will.
So the evidence clearly shows that Washington is heavily influenced by lobbyists money in politics, yet all the politicians claim it's not them.
Bernie is not 'bashing' the Democratic party, he is giving it a chance to save itself ... but the Democratic party has closed ranks and refused to acknowledge the reality of corruption within their party. Fine, it's your party, you can crime if you want to. But don't go blaming Bernie for telling you the truth .. blame yourself for not listening to it.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)You may choose to ignore the significant - even revolutionary - progress that has been made by Democrats over the past 30 years, but I cannot and I will not. This is the party that has always been on the forefront for human rights and a laundry list of other progressive ideals that the milquetoast, unorganized Independent voter could never hope to bring about without the Democratic Party carrying the ideological water.
Money in politics is a fact of political life, even though the Ds have fought against it. That Ds at this point in time realize that they need to fight legal fire with fire when it comes to campaign fund raising. And Sanders has no room to talk - he's raising more money than anyone else, and while it may be admirable that his "average" donation is under $30, the fact remains that his entire campaign has been an exercise in throwing money at the election process, rather than doing the time consuming, people-intensive on-the-ground work that Hillary has done to win votes for her candidacy. What matter where the money comes from if your idea of touching voters involves little more than blasting your image on TV and holding mega rallies that are significant in the fact that there is absolutely no dialogue going on at said events?
Unless you yourself are a registered Democrat, you have no say in how the party runs itself. If you don't want to vote for the candidate that we Dems have overwhelming selected as our nominee - Hillary Clinton - don't vote for her. We really don't care, because we've known all along that we can't count on the wishy-washy to be there when we need them.
Autumn
(45,106 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)that he would do everything in his power to keep a Republican out of the White House.
beedle
(1,235 posts)technically the words 'Hillary' and 'Republican' are interchangeable in intelligent conversation.