2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCalifornia, Here I Come...
(cross-posted from my DKos account)
As the Primary race progresses, and the outcome look (to most analysts) increasingly bleak for Senator Sanders, his supporters keep point to California as a reason to stay in. With 475 delegates up for grabs its certainly the way to sweep to victory at the last minute, right?
Well, yes if your approach is absolutely anything can happen (even if it frequently doesnt). Lets take a look at the current standing, the California opportunity and what they say about Bernies path to victory.
First, the basic parameters. There are 4051 elected (no super) delegates. 2383 are required for nomination, but lets accept for discussion that the goal is to win a majority of elected delegates and then compete for the supers.
Currently, Hillary Clinton has 1443 to Sanders 1208, with 1400 remaining to be awarded in 15 States, DC, Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Island and Guam. California remains the largest prize, with 475 delegates up for grabs. All contests award delegates proportionally, some with a 15% minimum threshold.
Sanders folks and some early polling suggest that California will be a close race. But thats the problem; close isnt enough. WINNING isnt enough. Even if he got 100% of Californias delegates, hed still need 343 more out of the remaining States, and getting those remains a huge burden. Lets look at some realistic and UNREALISTIC scenarios.
1. If Sanders tied Clinton in California, hed to win 63% of EVERY OTHER STATE to get a majority of elected delegates.
2. If Sanders won California with 60% of the vote, (something only Jimmy Carter came close to doing in a competitive Primary) hed need 57% of EVERY OTHER STATE. Thats a threshold hes hit only three times in Primary States (NH, VT and WI).
3. Even if Sanders won California with an astounding 70% of the vote? Hed still need a majority of delegates in every other contest.
Needless to say, these numbers dont take into account the five races today, where Clinton has large leads in the two largest States (PA and MD) and is ahead or close in the other three.
Im not saying Sanders should withdraw or suspend his campaign at this point. But at least be realistic about where this is going to end up. Clinton will have the most votes. Shell have the most elected delegates. And her superdelegates arent going to shift on the basis of national head-to-head polls seven months out. We have our nominee.
(nb the data references here is based on FIVETHIRTYEIGHTs tallies)
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Her numbers among Latinos in NY were strong, and she's got the AA vote tied up. Not everyone in California lives in Marin County.
I agree that we should wait until after today's results. The numbers will favor Hillary a lot more if things go as I expect they will.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I wait with bated breath.
Wait, Sid. Are you suggesting that YOU alerted me for stealing your meme? Hm. I guess I would deserve that.
ileus
(15,396 posts)REASON FOR ALERT
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disruptive, insensitive, over-the-top, inappropriate. Enough with the stick a fork in it graphics. This is nothing more than taunting Bernie supporters. Enough of this shit!
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ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Things that make you go hmmm.....
brooklynite
(94,595 posts)she'll have superdelegates and a majority of elected delegates which will add up to enough for nomination. Dream about poaching them if you want, but at least come up with a coherent argument about how you'll do it.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)We take away all the supers from the candidates' delegate counts but leave them in the total when calculating the number of delegates necessary to reach 50%. That way, nobody gets nominated during the primaries. Bernie and Hillary show up at the convention and, if Hillary has not died of a brain hemorrhage or been arrested, a rainbow unicorn will magically appear and declare that Bernie is the nominee.
It's simple, really. Shall I explain it again?
brooklynite
(94,595 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)In fact only one candidate (possibly in the history of two person races) has failed to reach the 15% viability threshold: Hillary.
And if Bernie were to tie in CA, he would need 63% of the remaining non-CA pledged delegates, not 63% "of every other state." In other words, he would need 63% of the collective.
Finally, he has won 12 states by 58% or more, with 5 of those over 70%.
brooklynite
(94,595 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Bernie has won by very large margins in nearly all of his wins. In states where he is lied and Hillary disliked, he wins with landslides.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)But you'd better wait for the crowd to Bern the math and tell you its impossible for either candidate to win
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Jimmy Carter never won CA. He lost it in 76 to favorite son, Jerry Brown, and in 80 he lost it to Ted Kennedy.