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WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:15 PM Apr 2016

Seymour Hersh says Gaddafi was a "tame cat" and finds Obama's deployment of 250 troops "horrifying"

Paints a bumbling picture of foreign policy in ME under Obama.

"...my favorite line about Hillary Clinton is, after Gaddafi was executed—as you know, he was killed by his own people. He was actually sodomized by swords. It was a horrible death. And she said on one show, "We came, we saw, and he died," with a laugh. And that kind of talk is sort of almost bizarre.

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: (worst mistake) Probably failing to plan for the day after what I think was the right thing to do in intervening in Libya.

SH: Gaddafi was a tame cat. We got to him in the Bush-Cheney years. ...I think it was a year later, in 2004—suddenly, Gaddafi, after allegedly having caught—we caught a ship full of some dual-use goods, and we stopped a ship that was going to Tripoli with it. He suddenly announced that he was giving up—unilaterally going to give up all his chemical arsenal and his WMD, his nuclear plans or options. And it was a big victory at a very much needed time by the Bush and Cheney crowd, that was a victory that showed our policy is working right. Money was involved, the CIA, covert money. A lot of stuff was going on. As you know, I’ve been doing a book about Cheney for a long time. And I can tell you that it was a considerable amount of CIA activity involved to turn him around.

I don’t think—which is amazing—it’s clear to me that the president and Hillary, the secretary of state, did not know about this secret agreement made. It’s just amazing to me that one administration will leave—it’s one of the things I first learned from a friend who went to work—I think it was way back—maybe it was for Clinton. This friend got a job, a high-ranking job, in the government. The first thing he discovered, that all the files related to everything significant that had happened, all the agreements that had been made in his area—it was in the State Department—had been gone, had been cleaned out. Nothing was left. So, they were—you know, as I said, they were going after a guy that had been doing a lot of good work for us, believe it or not, horrible as he was. He was a horrible human being. Bad things happened inside that country to the people. But he was actively working with us on the al-Qaeda issue, and, you know, if the—I don’t believe al-Qaeda exists there.

...So, they didn’t really know what the hell had happened with Gaddafi. They took out a guy that didn’t need to go. And the French were pushing for it, and we went along. It looked good.

It’s a little bit like putting a couple hundred guys, and maybe a lot more that we don’t know about, into Syria now, and many more than that into Iraq, where the—God knows what’s going to happen in both places. It’s just—it’s done without consulting the Congress, which probably this Congress probably doesn’t want to be consulted, but that’s the—you know, the Constitution is not a nuisance, as many in the Republican Party, as Bush and Cheney, and now, in many areas, even Obama believes, it seems to be a nuisance. We don’t tell Congress anything. We don’t go and—we don’t tell the people anything. And the control—the control of the media that goes on now, the major media, is, I think, much more acute now.

http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16158

(Obama announces additional 250 troops to Syria.) "Well, one of the words he doesn’t mention is Russia. Look, I can’t begin to tell you what’s in his mind. It’s a little amazing at this stage he’s putting more forces in, but that’s—you know, that’s his prerogative, I guess, as president.

...the real winner in the last year or so of the war there has been the Russians. And the Russians—the bombing was much more effective. If you remember, the president had said publicly, when Putin decided to put his air force hard at work there, he said it would be a quagmire, they wouldn’t be able to get out, it’s going to be, you know, schadenfreude—it would be like what happened to us in Afghanistan, and is happening to us, and certainly did happen to us in Vietnam. But they did it. They came in, and they did very well.

...As usual, we don’t really know what the game plan is. I do not understand why he’s decided to jump into a war that was being run by—it’s being won right now by the Syrian army and its allies, including Russia. I just—I can just speculate that our anti-Putin, anti-Russian instinct in America continues apace. That’s all.

...I’ve been in this town since the '60s. There's nothing more wonderful for a president—you can feel more like a president by taking a walk with somebody from the Special Operations community or, earlier, the CIA in the Rose Garden, and getting rid of somebody you don’t like... I don’t mean to be too sarcastic about it, but what—you know, this guy ended up in the same place in far too many times, as you read and as I wrote, as Bush and Cheney were.

...And here’s how things have changed, for me, anyway. I’m writing the same kind of stories now about this president, very critical stories, because, you know, somebody has to hold him to—you know, at least based on what I think is as good as evidence I’ve ever had in all the stories I wrote for The New York Times in the '70s.

http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16157

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Seymour Hersh says Gaddafi was a "tame cat" and finds Obama's deployment of 250 troops "horrifying" (Original Post) WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 OP
I'm sick of hearing terms like "bumbling," bjo59 Apr 2016 #1
agreed yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #3
Fumbling, bumbling, followed the French who pushed it WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #6
+1,000,000 Great thread, and thank you. nt. polly7 Apr 2016 #2
It was a mistake to go into Libya and a mistake to go into Syria. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #4
It was a mistake not to go into Rwanda and to ignore ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia too anigbrowl Apr 2016 #17
Like to see Mr. Hersch meet face-to-face with the relatives of the Pan Am 103 victims Tarc Apr 2016 #5
Do you have the courage to look at the details of the case... Wilms Apr 2016 #7
Obama just met with the Saudis. Is he meeting with the families of 9/11? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #10
The difference is that Khadaffy actually financed terrorists Tarc Apr 2016 #14
I'm sure you'll duly note that to the families of 9/11 WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #19
Please point to the leader f the Saudi government that financed 9/11 Tarc Apr 2016 #20
The entire Saudi government are full of murders rockfordfile Apr 2016 #21
Blanket statements of innuendo are easy to make, but hard to substantiate Tarc Apr 2016 #22
But y'know, it's racist to criticize the current Commander in Chief VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #8
Ah...longing for the good old days when Democratic Presidents didn't mimic Bush and DU cared WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #9
Really Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #11
You got all the way to "tame cat" and stopped reading. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #12
We have a choice to make felix_numinous Apr 2016 #13
If we choose Hillary, it will be bad for all the innocent people who will be under Unicorn Apr 2016 #18
Historically Hersh is usually correct Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #15
I watched him say this on DemocracyNow.org's daily news hour yesterday. He was excellent. Unicorn Apr 2016 #16

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
1. I'm sick of hearing terms like "bumbling,"
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:18 PM
Apr 2016

"mistaken," etc. used when describing the Obama administration's foreign policies. The evisceration of Libya (and Iraq and Syria) is exactly what was intended.

PufPuf23

(8,785 posts)
4. It was a mistake to go into Libya and a mistake to go into Syria.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:28 PM
Apr 2016

I thought we elected Democrats to put a halt to the neo-conservative redesign of the Middle East?

Hillary Clinton indicates that as POTUS she would be more supportive of Netanyahu and Likud than POTUS Obama.

We should stop dropping arms and monies into the Middle East when the result is more misery and violence for the innocents to better potential profit for the trans-national corporations.

I am all for humanitarian aid.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
17. It was a mistake not to go into Rwanda and to ignore ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia too
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:09 PM
Apr 2016

Indifference to a looming catastrophe when you have the capacity to intervene is its own kind of moral failure. Isolationism is a soft option.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
5. Like to see Mr. Hersch meet face-to-face with the relatives of the Pan Am 103 victims
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:30 PM
Apr 2016

and se if he has the courage to say that to them directly.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
7. Do you have the courage to look at the details of the case...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:44 PM
Apr 2016

including evidence hidden by the FBI?

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
8. But y'know, it's racist to criticize the current Commander in Chief
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:48 PM
Apr 2016

Just like it'll be sexist to criticize Clinton if she becomes the next Commander in Chief.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
9. Ah...longing for the good old days when Democratic Presidents didn't mimic Bush and DU cared
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:56 PM
Apr 2016

"the Constitution is not a nuisance, as many in the Republican Party, as Bush and Cheney, and now, in many areas, even Obama believes,"

Psych! Those good old days never existed.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
13. We have a choice to make
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:59 PM
Apr 2016

and a stolen election could harm a lot of people down the road, in the names of all innocent people we need to do the right thing. And that's all I'm going to say.

 

Unicorn

(424 posts)
18. If we choose Hillary, it will be bad for all the innocent people who will be under
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:09 PM
Apr 2016

the bombs and drones.

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