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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:46 PM Apr 2016

Do you think today's problems can be solved with incrementalism?


Do you think the problems experienced by cities like Chicago, Baltimore, Flint, and Detroit can be solved with incrementalism?

With incrementalism we will just dig the hole deeper.

There is limited resources. When we have a govt that serves the needs of the 1% and not the people, the people will get only crumbs.




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Do you think today's problems can be solved with incrementalism? (Original Post) Skwmom Apr 2016 OP
They can be solved by having a majority in the Senate and the House. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #1
+ 1 JoePhilly Apr 2016 #4
Yes, our problems are SOOOOO small we can fix them in incremental bites. Skwmom Apr 2016 #6
Yep ... they should have done more when they had the chance. I agree. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #13
Yes, because there is strong opposition apcalc Apr 2016 #2
This is basically where I come down. nemo137 Apr 2016 #10
That's what I thinik too. Unofortunately, I think that incrementalism only applies to Blue Meany Apr 2016 #3
Yes and No. ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #5
Oh come on. They can't be put in place BECAUSE the big money that owns this government doesn't want Skwmom Apr 2016 #12
Yes, they really can ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #17
First, we need a Democrat to reshape the Supreme Court and fill the 80 un-filled federal judge seats Trust Buster Apr 2016 #7
Bernie is our best bet RobertEarl Apr 2016 #16
Bernies entire career has been about incrementalism... JaneyVee Apr 2016 #8
Generally, no. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #9
No. Ask FDR. Punkingal Apr 2016 #11
Absolutely. Incrementalism will inevitably wipe all living things off the face of the earth. Zorra Apr 2016 #14
False question. Some problems can, some can't. randome Apr 2016 #15
I honestly believe Hillary's "incrementalism" would not be in service of anything progressive djean111 Apr 2016 #18
well bernie is part of the govt that "serves the needs of the 1%" and has been for 25 msongs Apr 2016 #19
Incrementalism can't possibly turn the ship in a new direction BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #20
Yes, but not today. The Midway Rebel Apr 2016 #21
And what happens in the meantime. You dig the hole deeper. Skwmom Apr 2016 #22
Exactly. The Midway Rebel Apr 2016 #23
If incrementalism is more than code for "not now," perhaps. Orsino Apr 2016 #24
And she means incramentalism to the right. . . just like Bill did. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #25
NO!! A thousand times NO! haikugal Apr 2016 #26
No I don't rock Apr 2016 #27

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
1. They can be solved by having a majority in the Senate and the House.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:49 PM
Apr 2016

I'm so glad that Hillary understands this and is working hard to help our "down-ticket" candidates be more competitive in their races.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
6. Yes, our problems are SOOOOO small we can fix them in incremental bites.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:55 PM
Apr 2016

When I think about all that never got done when we controlled ALL 3 BRANCHES, it boggles the mind. For example, we rightly criticized Bush for NOT letting the govt negotiate drug prices, but then when we controlled ALL 3 BRANCHES we did nothing. Oh well, seniors that can't afford their medication will just have to get over it.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
13. Yep ... they should have done more when they had the chance. I agree.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:01 PM
Apr 2016
Yes, our problems are SOOOOO small we can fix them in incremental bites.

And our Congress is SOOOOO cooperative that we can now fix everything all at once?

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
2. Yes, because there is strong opposition
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:50 PM
Apr 2016

from the R's and they control the House and Senate.

We have no choice but to do our best with the circumstances we have got.

nemo137

(3,297 posts)
10. This is basically where I come down.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:58 PM
Apr 2016

I didn't vote for HRC in the primary, partially because the thing I trust her least one (foreign policy) is the thing she can do the most on without Congress, but she and Sanders both address the things I care about. They both, for example, acknowledge that climate change exists, and that maybe the government doesn't need to investigate every single miscarriage, or round up and deport Muslims. I think in the heat of the primary we can forget that there is a basic line of decency and good government that needs to be maintained, and if having that as the bare minimum for what I'll vote for is "incrementalism," then fine.

 

Blue Meany

(1,947 posts)
3. That's what I thinik too. Unofortunately, I think that incrementalism only applies to
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:53 PM
Apr 2016

measures going in the right direction, like addressing global warming. When it comes to neoliberal imperial policy, it may be full-speed ahead. It does make me wonder if an isolationist libertarian might actually be a better long-term choice, though that does not appear to be a choice we have.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
5. Yes and No. ...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:54 PM
Apr 2016

The fixes that (politically) can be put in place, must be put in place ... and for those fixes, Incrementalism keeps them in place.

For the fixes that cannot (politically) be put in place; must be approached through incremental steps.

For example, Police violence/misconduct ... there are immediate fixes; but/and, the cultural changes will have to be incremental.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
12. Oh come on. They can't be put in place BECAUSE the big money that owns this government doesn't want
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:01 PM
Apr 2016

them put in place.

Clinton saying breaking up banks wouldn't end racism etc. is true. But it will keep Black Americans from losing a LARGE portion of their wealth again.

Sanders: African-Americans lost half their wealth because of Wall Street collapse

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/11/bernie-s/sanders-african-american-lost-half-their-wealth-be/

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
17. Yes, they really can ...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:12 PM
Apr 2016
They can't be put in place BECAUSE the big money that owns this government doesn't want them put in place.


I thought I was immune to this type of rhetoric; but, come on ... If "the big money that owns this government doesn't want them put in place", what, short of armed insurrection, will make it happen?
 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
7. First, we need a Democrat to reshape the Supreme Court and fill the 80 un-filled federal judge seats
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:55 PM
Apr 2016

That's where the real war will be fought. Congress is too divided to achieve anything of any major scale.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
16. Bernie is our best bet
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:07 PM
Apr 2016

He can reshape all of it, and we know the shape it will be is the best that can be done.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
8. Bernies entire career has been about incrementalism...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:56 PM
Apr 2016

You know damn well he has zero accomplishments.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
9. Generally, no.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:56 PM
Apr 2016

We are well past the point where incremental improvements will address economic inequality, global climate change, infrastructure replacement, campaign finance, police violence, and many other issues.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
14. Absolutely. Incrementalism will inevitably wipe all living things off the face of the earth.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:04 PM
Apr 2016

Problems solved.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
15. False question. Some problems can, some can't.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:06 PM
Apr 2016

The question you should be asking yourselves is this: has insisting on everything transforming immediately done any good? I think the rational answer is no. Which leads to the next question: what can be done to at least move us forward?

I would prefer to see rapid change transform us all in so many respects. But since Sanders' approach has failed, it's probably best to stop whining about it.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
18. I honestly believe Hillary's "incrementalism" would not be in service of anything progressive
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:13 PM
Apr 2016

or liberal or better. So no support for her brand of "incrementalism". It would be things like "just a little means-testing" for Social Security. No sale.

msongs

(67,417 posts)
19. well bernie is part of the govt that "serves the needs of the 1%" and has been for 25
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:32 PM
Apr 2016

years so he is not part of the solution to your dilemma

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
20. Incrementalism can't possibly turn the ship in a new direction
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:37 PM
Apr 2016

Not with 58% of new income going to the top 1%. Not with the top 0.1% owning more wealth than the bottom 90%. Every day that goes by with incrementalism makes the gaps grow even bigger. It's like having cancer and waiting for it to run its course.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
24. If incrementalism is more than code for "not now," perhaps.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:58 PM
Apr 2016

Almost anything we accomplish will be done incrementally, sure. And we don't have to solve a problem, necessarily, if we effectively provide relief.

Incremental progress can simply make a lot of lives better for a while, and that is success that can be built upon.

rock

(13,218 posts)
27. No I don't
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:58 PM
Apr 2016

I think today's problems can only be solved with incrementalism. That is, assuming you're talking politics.

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