2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders and his team will reassess his candidacy tomorrow.
But he's not leaving the race.
Mr. Devine explained that on Wednesday, Mr. Sanderss senior advisers will talk about a range of issues, including how to adjust their messaging about the election process, what route if any they have to winning the nomination, and where they should focus on gaining ground. He said he could still see a mathematical path to winning the nomination, but he added that if that changed with Tuesday nights results, the campaign would have to adjust.
We may decide we have to pick up some more delegates in some of these caucus states, Mr. Devine said. Maybe we have to get some more people on the ground between now and the state conventions some place because we are not going to win as many as we thought we were going to win in primaries. But we have got to make up the difference elsewhere thats the reassessment.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/26/bernie-sanders-to-reassess-candidacy-after-tuesdays-vote-but-hell-stay-in-race/?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
FSogol
(45,488 posts)LOL, Tad Devine.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)That doesn't mean drop out. Then the President can campaign for her and his political capital will count for something at the convention.
hamsterjill
(15,222 posts)n/t
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)and he needs to serve a greater truth - the truth of a generally progressive agenda against the right-wing extremists in the GOP.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)or in any other country? All politics work on the basis of coalitions (in many European countries it takes the form of party coalitions after elections; in the US winner-takes-all system the coalition by necessity happens before elections). That is the nature of democracy. Not everyone will agree with you, whether you like it or not, so if you want to get some of what you want, you need to take the hands of some of the people who don't agree 100% with you. In short, if you want to get some of your agenda passed, you have to form a coalition with others. The Democratic Party has in the modern era been a coalition of progressives, liberal-minded capitalists, minorities, women, gays, etc. - in other words, people who to a greater or lesser extent support various causes on the progressive side of the spectrum (greater governmental involvement with alleviation of poverty or racial justice, less involvement with personal stuff). The GOP on the other hand has been a coalition of racists, super-capitalists, social conservatives, and tax-fearing rich people - in short, people who favor causes on the conservative side of the spectrum (greater involvement with personal stuff, less with money stuff). Those coalitions might shift every once in a while, but as a whole. standing on the sidelines complaining that the more progressive coalition is not good enough will get you nothing, and it will only help the conservative coalition.
It's that simple.
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Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)hamsterjill
(15,222 posts)Hillary is completely qualified to be President. There's no one else who can hold a candle to her.
It's time for Bernie to think of the country and not himself. I believe he will do the right thing.
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)Haven't heard anything along those lines in some time.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)No one trusts her ability to make any decisions.
She is also a world class fibber-McGee
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Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)hamsterjill
(15,222 posts)"No one"? You speak for everyone??? I don't think so.
Tell that to the millions of people who have voted for her. I'm sure they will all be very interested in YOUR assessment of the situation.
hamsterjill
(15,222 posts)"No one"? You speak for everyone??? I don't think so.
Tell that to the millions of people who have voted for her. I'm sure they will all be very interested in YOUR assessment of the situation.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)Win or lose, the issues he and his supporters have raised, need to be addressed!
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)get to pick the platform.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)If the Democratic party becomes the type of organization where 'winners' by a few delegates, crush the opposition, then it ceases to be a 'democratic' party in anything but name only!
Oh, your gloating may be premature: We're not going away. Bernie's supporters will be working to change the party from the bottom up.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)preferred image, then you get to call the shots.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)So, instead of calling Sanders folks LOSERs perhaps you should consider that without US your precious does not stand a snowballs chance in hell.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Indies. Excited people tend to get un-excited very easily. What I believe (and what polling seems to show) is that most Independents given the choice between a President Clinton and a President Trump will vote in their own best interest and vote for Hillary.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Check the FEC filings--it was nearly three million in March.
Tad wants Bernie to stay in, so he can siphon off that money, give work to his firm, making all those ads that don't get people to the polls.
Sanders spent NINE BUCKS a vote in NY.
Those are Romneyesque numbers.
He's not getting good advice from either Tad or Jeff. And it's obvious, too.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)billed the campaign for $2,200,000.? These bozos are on the gravy train and they intend to ride it to the bitter end.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Hell, Clinton paid three bucks and I thought that was a lot.
Nine bucks, though? That's Romneyesque!
BS is not being well-served. There's a reason why Devine has never been on a winning campaign, since way back to Carter II. He's bad news. If you don't want to win, hire him.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,028 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)They're backing water as fast as possible. But the waterfall just keeps getting closer. Time to throw out the anchor or call for a rescue, I think.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)He doesn't want to burn his bridges. I can't blame the guy.
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)And he's not new--I don't know what he was thinking
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I think Sanders was given poor advice and could have had a much better showing.
I still run into people who don't even know where he came from or who he is.
polichick
(37,152 posts)There is no reassessment - and they are in til the convention.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)I don't think he would lie about something like this. Jane Sanders seemed disturbed about it.
Could be a rift in the campaign staff.
polichick
(37,152 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)My guess is that Devine wants to pull back and focus on campaigning on issues only and Sanders prefers full steam ahead.
But, who knows?
polichick
(37,152 posts)Bernie will lead it - I really don't see Clinton's "unity" happening; his voters want nothing to do with Clinton/corporate corruption.
Go pout in the corner then.
polichick
(37,152 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)But I'd wager that most of Bernie's supporters will vote for Clinton. DU is a bit of a bubble in that a large number of members are quite liberal. However, 70% of the Dem party are moderates and conservatives (so-called Blue dog Democrats). And I'd bet that most independents will in the end vote Clinton after they've had months of exposure to what Trump would be like as president.
polichick
(37,152 posts)and there is a growing number who think a Trump victory might wipe out both establishments, and that it might be better in the long run. We'll see...
randome
(34,845 posts)Take all that together and you come away with pretty clear evidence that over the course of the Democratic primary young voters have become more attached to progressive politics and the Democratic party. One read of this is that the primary process itself - as divisive as it has sometimes seemed - has deepened young voters' identification with the Democratic party.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]
polichick
(37,152 posts)or who wants anything to do with a party they've already left.
We'll have to wait and see what happens.
LiveLong101
(13 posts)We didn't leave the party. "Party loyalty should be reciprocal. Not simply a lesser evil calculus."
http://www.salon.com/2016/04/25/why_i_say_bernie_or_bust_if_sanders_isnt_the_democratic_nominee_his_backers_should_by_no_means_pull_the_lever_for_hillary_clinton/
polichick
(37,152 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Hillary will not end the ACA, but I guarantee Trump or Cruz will.
Hillary is not going to end pro-choice rights, but I guarantee Trump or Cruz will.
Hillary is not going to appoint another Scalia, but I guarantee Trump or Cruz will.
I don't understand the hatred against Hillary. I'm a Hillary supporter, but I don't hate Bernie. I'd vote for him if he won the nomination, and I'd do it cheerfully.
So all of you who want to cut off your noses to spite your face, go ahead. Most Democratic voters will vote as mature adults and not as pouting children who didn't get their way.
Utterly appalled at what I've been reading here lately.
If Bernie has somehow influenced his supporters to act in this way - to threaten to vote Trump or not vote at all - then he has given our party an egregious insult. He was welcomed into the Democratic party, despite NEVER having been a Democrat; in fact, he has spoken AGAINST the Democratic party on occasion.
If Bernie Sanders is of the same mind as his supporters here on DU, then I say that is just shameful.
nolawarlock
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COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)in 2019.
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Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)More like annoyed that such a question was posed to her. I thought it was a sincere and human reaction.
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)There is no contradiction between JS and TD. Both say they are in til the convention. According to the text of the OP, TD is saying they may reassess exactly what they will be doing between now and the convention, but he is not suggesting they will not be in til the convention.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Never say die.
Yavin4
(35,441 posts)CA won't be cheap, and it's over a month away.
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)What class
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)A class is someplace where you learn, and you're learning all about delegate math this evening. So thank you.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Bet you earned an A+ from Mr. Brock in that skill set
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)And yet cwydro keeps saying that people aren't calling me a paid shill. ooooo-k.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)This is just tiresome. I'm basically just going to ignore anyone that whips out the paid shill thing, starting with cwydro and you.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Too bad for the universe.
factfinder_77
(841 posts)Turin_C3PO
(14,004 posts)As a Bernie supporter in New Mexico, I want him to stay in the race until the end because I think every voter should have their say, even if it's symbolic. I would be opposed to Bernie contesting the convention because we need to be unified by then. After tonight I think he should basically lay off Clinton and just stick to his positive economic message and thwo in some jabs against Republicans while he's at it .
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)My only concern is money. I don't want Hillary to have to spend a lot of money to keep campaigning in the primary when that money could be used to defeat Trump in November.
Otherwise, I am in favour of Bernie staying in until the end, simply for the unifying factor. Sure, there will still be posters on DU claiming it's a fix, but most reasonable people will recognise that Bernie had every chance at a bite at the apple and just couldn't get the votes. That will help to unify the party for the GE.