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Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:20 PM Apr 2016

Troubled by Hillary's response to question about adopting some of Bernie's agenda

Last edited Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:55 PM - Edit history (1)

I saw a video here somewhere, cant find it now.

She was asked about the popularity of Bernie and his ideas and would she work with him on some of that and her answer was very disappointing.

Along the lines of she got more votes so why should she.

Obviously anybody with a brain or heart who alleges they are liberal has to vote for her if Bernie loses, but this response of hers was not only arrogant but she lost the perfect chance to bring us all together.

Too bad.

I am editing this, I should have mentioned Bernie didnt help matters by saying he has conditions on his support...

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Troubled by Hillary's response to question about adopting some of Bernie's agenda (Original Post) Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 OP
Why would you expect anything else from her? ibegurpard Apr 2016 #1
The smart political response was not what she gave, that is what surprised me. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #3
It reveals more than a political tin ear Armstead Apr 2016 #9
Bingo Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #17
There's been a lot of alogations of Bernie being tone-deaf... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2016 #44
Maybe Hillary Clinton is not tone deaf at all to the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #78
Yup. She could've provided a content-free political response, such as RufusTFirefly Apr 2016 #90
It was the response anyone would have expected of her. Kall Apr 2016 #32
Ain't that the truth? SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #62
nothing more unattractive than a poor winner questionseverything Apr 2016 #105
Well, a poor loser, maybe, SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #120
Gonna get worse when the repubs start in on her! oldandhappy Apr 2016 #106
Here yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #119
She needs to watch her tone, too. dchill Apr 2016 #2
Tone? No, just her answer which was politically inept. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #5
Who would believe her? Skwmom Apr 2016 #4
Yeah it is all over. TYT covered it too. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #6
This was the first and only TH/Debate that we shut off. Kittycat Apr 2016 #7
Not surprised by what she said. Punkingal Apr 2016 #8
Exactly Correct Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #21
She doesn't need you because she never had you. nt nolawarlock Apr 2016 #89
I saw it today and certainly didn't 'like her tone'. Everytime Purveyor Apr 2016 #10
Right. Because her "tone" wasn't humble enough. pnwmom Apr 2016 #46
Your absolutely right. She sounds just like Donald Trump... eom Purveyor Apr 2016 #54
She sounds just like Bernie Sanders when he was bragging about his caucus wins. pnwmom Apr 2016 #55
bullhockey. the delegates vote on the platform hollysmom Apr 2016 #63
She will have the large majority of pledged delegates, so the platform will reflect her views. pnwmom Apr 2016 #66
delegates are not slaves they don't have to vote for everything she asks for. hollysmom Apr 2016 #75
No, they are not. But they are strongly motivated to support HER and that's why they pnwmom Apr 2016 #80
yes, but they have independent minds and strangerthings have happened. this is not an monarchy, yet. hollysmom Apr 2016 #83
Get real. If Bernie were the winner, would you expect him to cave on his strongly held positions pnwmom Apr 2016 #84
She is infuriated that Bernie is still choie Apr 2016 #59
Bingo. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #67
I'm sure it was Quid Pro Quo ... nolawarlock Apr 2016 #92
No, the difference is choie Apr 2016 #107
Well either way, nolawarlock Apr 2016 #117
She's not infuriated. She's assertive. But I know that's hard for certain people to distinguish pnwmom Apr 2016 #99
Not this again. 840high Apr 2016 #100
Warren wasn't ambitious enough to run for President. pnwmom Apr 2016 #102
Warren is smart. She's not 840high Apr 2016 #110
She's not ever going to run. Do you realize she's almost Hillary's age? pnwmom Apr 2016 #111
Let's agree to disagree. I have 840high Apr 2016 #112
There's one thing we can probably agree on: pnwmom Apr 2016 #113
Oh cut the bullshit choie Apr 2016 #108
It was galling to her that Rachel said, "IF" Hillary has the most delegates. She DOES have the pnwmom Apr 2016 #109
and what? choie Apr 2016 #115
Where is the word "and" in my post? pnwmom Apr 2016 #116
i'm sure that was galling to her - but she's been "galled" since the day Bernie choie Apr 2016 #118
^^^^ This. nt nolawarlock Apr 2016 #91
Here's the TYT video I think you're referring to... Buns_of_Fire Apr 2016 #11
Yeah, thanks. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #13
I agree with everything she's saying here. nolawarlock Apr 2016 #97
I will stay home and NEVER vote for that woman MsFlorida Apr 2016 #12
Wrong reaction, especially if you are in FL Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #14
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The consequences will be to the people president Cruz treats like shit, it will be millions. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #64
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So you think Cruz will be a good president. OK Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #70
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In the election there will be two choices. Two...think that though to the logical Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #85
I worry about that. Hillary needs to worry about it as well. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #71
Translation, if she isnt nice to me I wont vote for her and those people be damned? Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #72
Nope, not me. But Hillary does need to worry about it. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #79
Blah, blah 840high Apr 2016 #101
I will vote for down ticket progressives Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #23
"that woman" nolawarlock Apr 2016 #93
imo Miss Lewinsky 840high Apr 2016 #103
Ah ok. nolawarlock Apr 2016 #114
If you're talking about what was said at the Town Halls last evening politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2016 #15
This is all true, but the problem is if you want their votes, especially knowing Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #19
If the positions were reversed, would Bernie COMPROMISE HIS PRINCIPLES and change his positions pnwmom Apr 2016 #52
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #65
She'll do just fine. President Obama won with the same coalition. pnwmom Apr 2016 #69
YES! Exactly. ContinentalOp Apr 2016 #86
so childish hollysmom Apr 2016 #73
++++100 nolawarlock Apr 2016 #95
For someone who is supposedly politically savvy loyalsister Apr 2016 #16
Yeah, those speeches, SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #77
Especially if she's goaded by Trump RufusTFirefly Apr 2016 #96
She didn't lose the chance, but I think she should work a lot harder at it. It's one thing to win, highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #18
Bernie did give an answer that was also annoying as this poster points out Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #22
I hope she's got the skills to get over that annoyance, or else it's just ego getting in the way. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #34
With some folks they have to think whatever it is was their idea, before they can be happy with it. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #40
I'm Ok with her having any kind of human reaction. I'm just hoping against hope that Hillary can highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #51
If she had said she would, you guys would criticize her for adopting his ideas. Hoyt Apr 2016 #20
I wouldnt, I would congratulate her for being open, politically astute, and by openly Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #24
Good deal. I'd vote for Sanders in a heartbeat too if he is nominee. Hoyt Apr 2016 #25
I think "pretending" to adopt his ideas would be the criticism. dgauss Apr 2016 #29
She wants to be a leader. Petty excuses like that won't fly. hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #39
bernie has borrowed large chunks of his agenda from his predecessors. are you concerned? nt msongs Apr 2016 #26
I dont know what that has to do with this, at all. Not too many recent Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #31
Total mischaracterization. As per usual. Too bad... What she was talking about BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #27
You just said exactly what I said. That she does not have to, but the truth is she should Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #30
I'm completely satisfied with her answer it couldn't have been better or more honest azurnoir Apr 2016 #28
What's arrogant is the loser insisting to dictate terms to the winner. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #33
Cause she needs us if she is to win in the general election. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #45
You wouldn't vote for her anyway. She should stick with her winning platform. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #76
This what you looking for? notadmblnd Apr 2016 #35
So condescending. Svafa Apr 2016 #36
My assessment as a Bernie supporter? JDPriestly Apr 2016 #37
Bull, she has been on the receiving end of so much hate and criticism and lies for decades Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #41
And she is: buckled and bad. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #49
What if Bernie had won the primary and Hillary wanted him to adopt part of her YouDig Apr 2016 #38
Exactly. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #43
You missed the point. That question was aimed to give her an JDPriestly Apr 2016 #53
Most Clinton voters are not voting for her because of her policies. Ash_F Apr 2016 #56
Only Bernie is allowed to sound frustrated or angry. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #42
No, I revised my post...They both blew it Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #47
That's not what most of the thread thinks. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #50
Hillary only compromises with conservatives, not progressives. So no surprise here. nt DirtyHippyBastard Apr 2016 #48
This. PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #57
That's exactly what I would expect her to say. RedCappedBandit Apr 2016 #58
She went to Trump's wedding they are friends. He donated to her. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #60
she was cold, hard, arrogant, hostile amborin Apr 2016 #81
If she is nominated it will be a long, hard slog to November for her I'm afraid. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #82
If Hillary has, in fact, wrapped this up, her tone is the only one that matters. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #87
I agreed with her statements to Rachel ... nolawarlock Apr 2016 #88
She explained that her agenda goes further and does more. Sparkly Apr 2016 #94
Anybody that has ever run for office, from dog catcher on up, knows rule #1: Lars39 Apr 2016 #98
Pfffftttt! Those populist ideas are for saps. Snarkoleptic Apr 2016 #104

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
3. The smart political response was not what she gave, that is what surprised me.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:24 PM
Apr 2016

I think she is put off by how hard this has been, expected a cake walk, and has an attitude about it.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
9. It reveals more than a political tin ear
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:29 PM
Apr 2016

It's her sense of entitlement, and nothing else matters.

I expect no concessions from the neo-liberal corporate agenda for the next four years.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
44. There's been a lot of alogations of Bernie being tone-deaf...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:00 PM
Apr 2016

To PoC issues, but Hillary is being tone-deaf to almost half of the democratic electorate.

Really poor judgement, but hey, she seems to be really good at that.

PufPuf23

(8,785 posts)
78. Maybe Hillary Clinton is not tone deaf at all to the liberal wing of the Democratic Party.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:30 PM
Apr 2016

The liberal wing of the Democratic Party is more a threat to the current neo-liberal Democratic party establishment than the more moderate GOP.

I think that they want us to give up and leave the Party and I for one intend to be a burr rather than leave.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
90. Yup. She could've provided a content-free political response, such as
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:42 PM
Apr 2016

"Senator Sanders has run a great and inspiring campaign and it's clear that he has a lot of enthusiastic supporters. I look forward to meeting with him and to finding some common ground. I'm confident that we see eye to eye on a great many issues."

But instead she basically said

Nyah! Nyah!

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
120. Well, a poor loser, maybe,
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:50 PM
Apr 2016

but at least the loser has some kind of excuse, however poor. If Hillary really thinks she's got it locked up, she not only can afford to be gracious, it would be in her best interest.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
6. Yeah it is all over. TYT covered it too.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:24 PM
Apr 2016

She snaps in the video and has a fit over the fact she has not won yet. I think she is annoyed that last election she held fast until June, so saying any less would be a hypocrite.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
7. This was the first and only TH/Debate that we shut off.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:26 PM
Apr 2016

After that question, that was it. What's the point? If there was a shred of any hope remaining there, she lost us both in that response.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
8. Not surprised by what she said.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:28 PM
Apr 2016

She has contempt for Bernie and for us. She doesn't want unity because she doesn't think she needs us.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
10. I saw it today and certainly didn't 'like her tone'. Everytime
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:31 PM
Apr 2016

I start to think I can force myself to vote for her if I must, she pulls some shit like this...

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
46. Right. Because her "tone" wasn't humble enough.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:01 PM
Apr 2016

She's bragging just like a man would do. So inappropriate.

Because we KNOW that if Bernie was the winner, of course he'd compromise his cherished positions to get Hillary supporters on board.



No, that's the LAST thing Bernie would do and it's unfair and sexist to expect Hillary to do what no male nominee has ever been expected to do.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
55. She sounds just like Bernie Sanders when he was bragging about his caucus wins.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:08 PM
Apr 2016

But he's a guy so that's allowed.

Not when the woman does it. Then it's over-the-top.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
63. bullhockey. the delegates vote on the platform
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:21 PM
Apr 2016

lets see if they are puppets or if they are conservative republicans or if they are "progressives - they can be progressives like Hillary - not so much, or they can be real progressives that does not want to go back to the 1950's

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
66. She will have the large majority of pledged delegates, so the platform will reflect her views.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:23 PM
Apr 2016

That's how it works in the real world.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
75. delegates are not slaves they don't have to vote for everything she asks for.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:27 PM
Apr 2016

we are not talking about a dictatorship here.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
80. No, they are not. But they are strongly motivated to support HER and that's why they
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:30 PM
Apr 2016

are her delegates and not his.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
83. yes, but they have independent minds and strangerthings have happened. this is not an monarchy, yet.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:32 PM
Apr 2016

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
84. Get real. If Bernie were the winner, would you expect him to cave on his strongly held positions
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:36 PM
Apr 2016

just to get Hillary's support?

His supporters would be outraged if he did that.

choie

(4,111 posts)
59. She is infuriated that Bernie is still
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:15 PM
Apr 2016

in the race. She believes she is owed this nomination- how dare Democrats question her! And to say she graciously dropped out of the 2008 race is absurd - she only dropped out after the last to primary when it was obvious she had lost. As for not asking Obama for anything in return for her support - how do we know that Clinton's nomination for Sec of State wasn't Quid Pro Quo?

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
67. Bingo.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:23 PM
Apr 2016

I can't read her mind, of course, but I believe she is extremely annoyed and can't or won't hide it, even when her pique works to her own detriment.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
92. I'm sure it was Quid Pro Quo ...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:43 PM
Apr 2016

But the difference is that Hillary and Obama had the class to work all that out behind the scenes.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
117. Well either way,
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:09 PM
Apr 2016

he's losing this election and I'm thoroughly elated with that fact.

Oh, kudos to a 17 point lead in Pennsylvania. That's a great win in delegates. Bernie's got a similar breakdown in Rhode Island but that's 33 delegates versus Pennsylvania's 118.

And let's see, Maryland, Delaware.

Sanders got that postage stamp known as Rhode Island, and, well, I guess he's got a 3 point lead Connecticut but with only 27% reporting so that could change.

I think he'll probably drop out this week.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
99. She's not infuriated. She's assertive. But I know that's hard for certain people to distinguish
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:59 PM
Apr 2016

when the asserter is a woman.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
102. Warren wasn't ambitious enough to run for President.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:19 PM
Apr 2016

That's part of what's so attractive about her, to people who can't stand to seem ambition in women.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
111. She's not ever going to run. Do you realize she's almost Hillary's age?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:51 PM
Apr 2016

And Bernie is the oldest person to run ever. There's no reason to think Elizabeth will want to follow in his footsteps.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
113. There's one thing we can probably agree on:
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:54 PM
Apr 2016

I would be happy to have Elizabeth as anyone's VP -- though I'm not sure she'd want even that.

choie

(4,111 posts)
108. Oh cut the bullshit
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:32 PM
Apr 2016

That's a canard - she has, since she was senator from NY, expected to be crowned the Democratic nominee. And the fact that another Dem is questioning her candidacy is galling to her. It's her character not her gender that defines her and my distaste for her.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
109. It was galling to her that Rachel said, "IF" Hillary has the most delegates. She DOES have the
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:34 PM
Apr 2016

most pledged delegates, by far, and it's time certain people got that though their thick heads.

choie

(4,111 posts)
118. i'm sure that was galling to her - but she's been "galled" since the day Bernie
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:17 PM
Apr 2016

decided to run against her. How dare he!

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
97. I agree with everything she's saying here.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:50 PM
Apr 2016

And way for the person presenting this to completely shift attention from what was actually being asked ... an entire platform change ... to just a few positions changed. Frankly, Rachel did the same thing with her "some of" comment. Bernie basically wants her to become Bernie. Why should she? She's winning on the strength of her ideas.

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Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
85. In the election there will be two choices. Two...think that though to the logical
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:39 PM
Apr 2016

conclusion, then decide if you will be part of the solution or the problem.

I wish Bernie was winning, he isnt, so I have to deal with that.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
23. I will vote for down ticket progressives
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:41 PM
Apr 2016

But I'm through with the DLC, Third Way, neo-Dem corporate crowd.

She doesn't need me - She has Wall Steet.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
93. "that woman"
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:45 PM
Apr 2016

I thought that was a term usual reserved for Ms. Lewinsky.

Either way, why should we cry over milk we never had in the fridge? You were never going to vote for her anyway so repeating it endlessly isn't really going to change how we feel about it. We're winning.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
15. If you're talking about what was said at the Town Halls last evening
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:37 PM
Apr 2016

When asked whether he would encourage his supporters to vote for her, Bernie said that she would need to ask his supporters herself. He said it is her responsibility to ask his supporters for their vote. He then proceeded to give a laundry list of things that he would need to hear from her as part of her Platform in order to earn his vote, and surprise, surprise, it was an entire laundry list of everything that he has been running on this entire campaign.

Clinton during her Town Hall, when asked about it, stated that when she endorsed Sen Obama, she didn't give him a laundry list of things that he had to do in order to secure her vote. Likewise, she asked her supporters to vote for him with no conditions attached to that.

In my 40 years of following politics, I've never heard of a candidate doing what Bernie did, by tell Chris Hayes during the Town Hall that Hillary would literally have to accept his entire agenda as part of her agenda in order to gain his support, and then she herself would have to ask his supporters to support her and convince them that she was worthy of their vote.t This after he has spent the last 8 months telling them that she was the spawn of Satan.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
19. This is all true, but the problem is if you want their votes, especially knowing
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:39 PM
Apr 2016

how touchy and almost childish many of them are acting about this, you have to give a different answer.

You have to pivot, tell them what they want to hear, politicians do it all the time.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
52. If the positions were reversed, would Bernie COMPROMISE HIS PRINCIPLES and change his positions
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:04 PM
Apr 2016

to get Hillary's support?

No way in hell, and his supporters would be furious if he did so.

We know what Hillary would do if she were the loser, because we saw what she did when Obama beat her. She graciously conceded defeat and went on to work extremely hard for him throughout the remainder of the campaign.

And that's what Bernie should do -- not be a sore loser.

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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
69. She'll do just fine. President Obama won with the same coalition.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:24 PM
Apr 2016

And a recent poll among millennials shows that millennials will strongly back her against Trump.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
73. so childish
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:26 PM
Apr 2016

not wanting more war that has never worked or not wanting Social security privatized to "save it) and a nice windfall for wall street. Not believing it works in asking business to behave itself instead of regulating it. not believing the best we can do is ACA. Not thinking charter schools are the answer to school issues.

Hillary could have asked her supporters to support Obama, but they made up their own minds. She should at least realize the same should happen with her, - not we can't doesn't cut it and swinging to the right in the GE will not please a lot of people, she needs to decide if she wants to be a republican or not.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
16. For someone who is supposedly politically savvy
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:38 PM
Apr 2016

The Wall st. speeches with no preparation to deal with the inevitably demanded transparency, "dead broke" comment, sniper fire in Bosnia, chewing out a Greenpeace activist, etc etc reveal a lack of foresight, self awareness, or both.
So far the campaign seems to manage by holding staged events. She does not do well when caught off guard and that is a very big problem for any politician to have.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
77. Yeah, those speeches,
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:29 PM
Apr 2016

When a) she already had plenty of money and b) she knew darn well she'd be running for president, strike me as pretty poor judgment. I will allow that the political climate was much different then, though.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
18. She didn't lose the chance, but I think she should work a lot harder at it. It's one thing to win,
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:39 PM
Apr 2016

which hasn't even been done yet, but is likely.

It's another thing to gloat. It's still another thing to ignore the wide swath of Democratic voters who are all too eager to vote for a Democrat if they can be assured they will act like one. And I mean on monetary policy, not just social issues.

Hillary could reach out to the populace, energized and ready to vote for the right candidate, or she can sock it to them as usual. Say, "you've got nowhere else to go". Shit like that.

That's the kind of treatment I expect. I truly hope that she and her supporters could surprise me.

Look, if you win, you can afford to be magnanimous. Try it on. It's got a much better long-lasting, sweeter taste than vengeance, retribution, exclusion, snobbery, and all that trash.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
34. I hope she's got the skills to get over that annoyance, or else it's just ego getting in the way.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:50 PM
Apr 2016

The major reason so many people love Bernie is his consistent adherence to principles that he holds dear, and that they hold dear as well. Being a loyal member of a political party, no matter what bullshit they pull, is not one of them.

It's a pretty big request to ask him to forego his total values in order to just step in line and be a party faithful. He is righteously, in many peoples eyes, leading a movement that is really trying to stand for something.

What's the hurt in embracing his movement and making it seem welcome. Frankly, those of us who are in it are perplexed why it isn't an automatic like for the Democratic Party. His positions are basically the Liberal policies that once made the Democratic Party the majority party for DECADES!!!

Running for President is always a maturing, growing experience. Let's say that Bernie, for all his principles, hasn't or doesn't grow his electorate enough. I sincerely hope that Hillary Clinton grows as a politician and a leader, particular of the DEMOCRATIC Party by including it's Left Wing and barely Left elements, along with all the Independents and Republicans who basically hold the same Populist views.

There are many here, Clinton supporters too, who don't think she can do that.

I think that she can and that she must, if she wants to win and truly lead the nation in the direction that is truly for the common good we all seek.

That is just one more way to show she is the bigger person, the better person to lead us, one and all. And that is the best and sweetest way to energize and unify the Democratic Party.

And then also we won't have to cry these:




Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
40. With some folks they have to think whatever it is was their idea, before they can be happy with it.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:52 PM
Apr 2016

Not a good sign of a person's maturity or character, though.

I dont want to believe that about Hillary.

I want to believe she is human, she is therefore susceptible to copping an attitude when annoyed and stressed, Bernie did the same thing when he said there were conditions to his support, he did NOT need to do that either.

They are tired, annoyed, both of them.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
51. I'm Ok with her having any kind of human reaction. I'm just hoping against hope that Hillary can
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:04 PM
Apr 2016

come to represent all of those who choose to represent as Democrats, and that would include the Leftier leaning folks on money issues.

I'm not sure at all it can be done. I'm not sure it's in her nature. I'm not sure she isn't bought and sold by Wall Street. I'm willing to wait and see. But it sure would make things a lot easier if we all were truly more on the same page. Reassuring the very energized Bernie base that they have a place in this Democratic coalition would surely be a great thing.

That is what I believe Bernie wants, more than riches or fame or a place of power inside the government. That is what I believe he'll try to bring home for all the people he has admittedly inspired. I believe he feels that much is his duty. To those people, to the U.S., and to the Democratic Party which once for decades was the majority party. (this was back when they were way more Liberal than today, as I'm sure you know)

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774721.html

I would love to be behind that Hillary, even more seasoned and wiser by fully appreciating the results of this race and the true inspiration that is in at least some of Bernie's policies. I'm hoping against hope for Hillary to step into that mantle. Can you imagine her as a female FDR? I can. But it's going to take some changing to do it.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
24. I wouldnt, I would congratulate her for being open, politically astute, and by openly
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:42 PM
Apr 2016

putting the people in the front of this, not the process or herself.

I plan on voting for her in November if she is the nominee, hell if she is the nominee I plan on giving her money and campaigning for her.

dgauss

(882 posts)
29. I think "pretending" to adopt his ideas would be the criticism.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:45 PM
Apr 2016

I don't expect her to adopt any of Bernie's agenda if elected, but I would expect her to say she would. Maybe she was a little caught off guard.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
31. I dont know what that has to do with this, at all. Not too many recent
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:48 PM
Apr 2016

politicians have advocated for what Bernie is advocating for, surely nobody famous or effective.

FDR, but he is dead.

BreakfastClub

(765 posts)
27. Total mischaracterization. As per usual. Too bad... What she was talking about
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:44 PM
Apr 2016

was that Bernie said he would only give his support to her if she adopted some of his ideas. She said she does NOT have to incorporate his agenda, and that she is the one winning. She also says she made NO DEMANDS on Obama when she supported him.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
30. You just said exactly what I said. That she does not have to, but the truth is she should
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:46 PM
Apr 2016

Now, I am sorry that Bernie made demands and he did, I think that was wrong.

But, I think she could have come out on top of all this by taking the higher road.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
28. I'm completely satisfied with her answer it couldn't have been better or more honest
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:44 PM
Apr 2016

hopefully she continues in that vein for the duration

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
33. What's arrogant is the loser insisting to dictate terms to the winner.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:50 PM
Apr 2016

Why should she grovel for the support of Sanders supporters who say they hate her, call her every name in the book, and insist they wouldn't vote for her no matter what?

She's winning. She should stick to her own platform.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
45. Cause she needs us if she is to win in the general election.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:00 PM
Apr 2016

That is assuming (considering how poorly she seems to respond to stress) she can make it through a general election campaign.

Bernie has refrained from personal and negative ads. He is a gentleman in every sense of the world. And look at Hillary. She can't take the pressure.

I do not want Hillary's finger on the nuclear trigger. She is unstable and angry.

Whew! I'm a Bernie supporter, a woman, and I do not trust Hillary.

That question was a giveaway, and she was supposed to respond with a conciliatory answer. That's how candidates make the transition from the primary to the general election.

Hillary was utterly spitting in the faces of Bernie supporters with her words.

Yet again another example of Hillary showing what a bad candidate she is.

Hillary lacks common sense, good judgment and social skills. No wonder she had marital problems. (I've been married 53 years to the same and and I am a woman. I know a lot about marriage. There are times when you bite your tongue and are gracious. Apparently Hillary doesn't know how to do that.) Shame on Hillary.

Very bad answer. Offensive. She will regret what she said.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
37. My assessment as a Bernie supporter?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:51 PM
Apr 2016

She is not a nice person. She is self-centered, lacks compassion and respect for others.

And she does not handle stress well. If running against Bernie makes her so nervous that she answers angrily to such a question (which was obviously intended to give her a chance to unite the party), how in the world is she going to handle a campaign against Trump, Cruz or Kasich.

Bernie has not done personally negative campaigning. The Republicans will.

Hillary does not deal with stress well. She loses her temper when she is tired and anxious and stressed out.

This is not good.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
41. Bull, she has been on the receiving end of so much hate and criticism and lies for decades
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:54 PM
Apr 2016

A normal person would have buckled and bad by now.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
38. What if Bernie had won the primary and Hillary wanted him to adopt part of her
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:51 PM
Apr 2016

agenda? For example, more hawkishness, no big tax increases, no single payer, etc. How do you think Sanders would react? How do you think his supporters would feel if Bernie won the election, but then he decided to shift over to some of the hated "Third Way" policies?

I'd guess that neither Bernie nor his supporters would want any part of that. I think they would say, no we had an election, and we voted for Bernie and his agenda, not Hillary's agenda.

Now reverse Clinton and Sanders.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
53. You missed the point. That question was aimed to give her an
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:05 PM
Apr 2016

opportunity to win some trust and affection from Bernie supporters.

She completely messed up.

She is an arrogant fool. A lot of Bernie supporters will never vote for her. That answer will be played and replayed on YouTube and will come back to haunt her.

I can think of lots of ways she could have answered that would have please both her supporters and Bernie's supporters.

It was an opportunity for her to show graciousness to Bernie Supporters. Instead, she gave us the backside of her . . . . .

Ugly!

She does not have the nature of a diplomat. Thank heavens that she is no longer in the State Department.

Wow! That was a bad answer.

That was the worst answer I can think of in a pre-election debate or town hall in many, many years, many, many elections.

It was really a bad answer.

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
58. That's exactly what I would expect her to say.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:15 PM
Apr 2016

And if she said anything else, I wouldn't expect her to fulfill her promises. She is not going to pay homage to any of Bernie's priorities once the nomination is secured.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
60. She went to Trump's wedding they are friends. He donated to her.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:18 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe Trump got into this to make sure he did it up good and thereby making many Republicans vote for her too to make sure this time she won. Like covering all bases. He is a good salesman.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
87. If Hillary has, in fact, wrapped this up, her tone is the only one that matters.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:40 PM
Apr 2016

If we've nominated someone whose ego won't allow her to graciously welcome fully half of the Democratic party to her campaign, then we deserve what we get.

"No, fuck you, I got more votes losers"... I dunno if her supporters emulate the behavior of the candidate or the candidate models the behavior that her supporters demand of "a winner".

Winning isn't enough for them. They demand prostration of their vanquished foes.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
88. I agreed with her statements to Rachel ...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:41 PM
Apr 2016

... she didn't place all these conditions on Obama. Like a candidate with class, Obama likely offered her a cabinet position as a way of reaching out, but neither made that a public spectacle. That he's making all these public demands is just classless, especially given that he's losing to Hillary by way more numbers than she lost to Obama.

Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
94. She explained that her agenda goes further and does more.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:45 PM
Apr 2016

It's more comprehensive, detailed, and thorough.

Sorry, but it is. It is no less "progressive" than Senator Sanders' agenda. (I know that makes heads explode, but I haven't seen anything that proves otherwise.)

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
98. Anybody that has ever run for office, from dog catcher on up, knows rule #1:
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:56 PM
Apr 2016

Always ask for a person's vote. Always.

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