2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumin retrospect, what has been the low point of this primary?
I have to go with airbrushing Sanders out of history with that photo dispute.
but there has been so much..
what shocked or mortified you the most?
so far
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)YES THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and used to attack his supporters. Very offensive. I will never, ever forget it.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)I've been calling him WillyH wherever I've referenced him. His race-baiting reminded me of 41 right away, only he substituted furloughed criminals with low-information voters with a bad case of stockholm syndrome.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)does that mean we can call you notawarlock.
yeah.
I like it.
notawarlock.
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)It sure seems like enough people defended that when he was banned.
Yeah, he's WillieH.
As far as what you call me, I'm not that wrapped up in what people call me, as long as they call.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)analogies/metaphors/similes are a hard sell on this board.
Welcome to Ignore.
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)I'm happy for you to ignore me. It means you won't be responding to me anymore but if you make a truly wrong post, like defending racism, I'll always get the last word on it.
Not sure what metaphor you think I didn't get. I knew what you were saying. You're truly not understanding that I don't care what names people call me, or what I say I am or I am not. Well, I take that back. Paid Brock troll sort of annoyed me, but hey, it gave me a justifiable reason to promote myself.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)as the case may be.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)'winning South Carolina in a Democratic primary is about as significant as winning Guam'
emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Got it.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... is African-American communities. "
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)The use of gender politics by the Clinton campaign to disparage Sanders supporters (we are all misogynists now)...
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I'd pretend that as well... it allows us the creative pretense of oppression.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)may only be one of many dozens that were as low as one could go without bringing NSA surveillance to bear on us, but I'll offer that one.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)does not even come close to the racial bullshit Hillary supporters are peddling.
You should be ashamed to even suggest it.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Wonder if one's shown up. It'd be reassuring to know that no one here is so far gone as actually to trade their first-born child for an indictment.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)The Clintons aim low and shoot hard. Like the Obama photo in African garb in '08.
They're despicable.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)The branding of the primary as racial by Clinton campaign was inexcusable
Turin_C3PO
(14,004 posts)of Clinton supporters to imply he's racist and whatnot. On the other side, I didn't like Bernie supporters (some) who made light of the Black vote in the South, like it didn't matter or something.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)It was so long ago that it is irrelevant.
Because Hillary is such a supporter of black people that Bernie's civil rights activism doesn't ever matter.
Im never going to vote for Hillary and I don't care if you get Trump. I am done voting for Democrats because liberals have no where else to go. I do have somewhere else to go. I'll stay home.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)by a squeaker over her decidedly anti-Union Labor Corporatist Third Way views.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Hard to get any lower than that
dana_b
(11,546 posts)campaign ever stoop to.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)... it'd be nice to see you give *some* evidence for that claim if you're going to keep making it.
peace13
(11,076 posts)....and one of the men linked to this Facebook problem. The cycle is short so there is the usual chance that this will never be resolved. It is clear that while this 'happened' to other FB pages none of them were associated with Hill's campaign. Lucky her, once again.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)brush
(53,787 posts)many pages other than Sanders pages were also down temporarily.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)LOL
brush
(53,787 posts)And google it to find Facebook's own explanation.
Everything bad that happens is not the Clinton campaign/DNC's fault.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)n/t
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)That was definitely the low point for me. It's why I decided to finally join DU, so I could talk about it.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)right down to checking flight schedules to determine exactly how many hours he would out of New Yotk
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)LexVegas
(6,067 posts)That see through his pandering, lying bullshit. See todays primaries....and the ass whooping he takes.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Truly a sickening display.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)DNC/DWS manipulations, voter suppression, money stacked up years in advance, super delegates stacked up years in advance -- just for starters, giggle. All legal mind you.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Definitely not a fan of the Berniebro tactics.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)motives of southerners, women and blacks. Accusing members who have been here 5-10 years of being trolls.
n/t
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Add the widespread acceptance of RW sources as acceptable if they attack another Dem candidate that you don't like, and the general acceptance of statements of facts without links that has become standard on this site. Was a time in the not so distant past, that would not have been tolerated.
emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)The Enemy of my Enemy is not my Friend. He's still my Enemy.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)for "censorship" when it came to bigotry and sexism for a long time.
They saw these people as "third Way" Dems and encouraged others to ignore them, creating a much more hostile site to women and POC. It has been like this for a while, but really picked up steam the last six months.
Turin_C3PO
(14,004 posts)there's that many Bernie Libertarians on this site, at least. His policies ( besides perhaps gun control) go against libertarian in every way imaginable. I'm not saying people weren't bullied, I just doubt they were libertarians. Face it, even liberals can be assholes.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)This is a different election and apparently it makes you uncomfortable that a real progressive should be so successful. Why is that bad? Your post almost makes me think the real problem you have is one of discomfort that your status quo has been disturbed. Is that possible?
The fact that DLC, Rahm, the Clintons have brought a centrist-right movement to the party. Why is it bad to acknowledge it?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Again, some people on this blog tend to overreact, categorize, over alert, and a lot of it starts to sound like control and censorship. I think POC are very able to speak up for themselves. I don't they need protecting. I give everyone on this board the privilege of speaking their truth and taking it when others speak their truth. I've seen very little to none of that. But you can take offense to just about anything if you try hard enough.
Just reread and I think you're conflating my comments re your acknowlegement of the reality that the party has moved right with POC and women disparagement. I don't get that at all. They are two entirely different issues.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)There is no "overreaction" as you had hoped. The behavior of many here was hateful in harassing members there.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)I don't go into groups. I am uncomforable with exclusive groups. That's where people go to hear what they want to hear. I respect their views but prefer the minefield of honest exchange.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)ignorance and further speculated I was exaggerating the situation. Not exactly an honest exchange, but whatever.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)All being alert stalked off this board.
Alert staked and hidden. Jury 85% BS. Bogus alerts! BOGUS HIDES! When the ugliest , filthiest posts are allowed to stand. You haven't seen any of that?
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)I have not seen it. I think you're a little paranoid. Politics is rarely a walk in the park. People get passionate. The best defense is facts.
I do agree there is much too much censorship on this site. But it's been pretty even-handed as far as I'm concerned.
Actually, I'm going to edit above: I haven't seen many alerts against Clinton supporters at all. I've seen far more against Sanders supporters. You all take offense at everything. Just like in our current conversation. I'm told I'm ignorant because I don't agree. Nobody has to soft-talk me. I've got facts on my side and I can defend myself. That's what good political arguments involve. If you don't have 'em, you get whiny and call yourself a victim. It's logic.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Whatever that means.
Wait? What? We are paranoid? Is that your response to a woman, they are paranoid.
You ever read the brick post? I would give you a link, yet I got a hide the last time I did. Direct quote on a filthy comment. They got a leave and I got a hide for quoting them. Lol~
BS Justice. Jury 85% BS....15%HRC. Justice.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)googled and found this one: http://egbertowillies.com/2016/02/03/hillary-clinton-plays-victim-card-again-but-now-on-bernie-sanders-video/
Also, her last town hall with oh-so-sympathetic Maddow when she was railing about Bernie this and Bernie that. I turned it off. He didn't do that. There was no Hillary-this and that. He gave the same answers and the same speech he's given over and over and over. So repetitive but it is what he's running on so he keeps saying the same thing.
Poor Hillary. Perhaps because you support her you just don't see it. I've posted so many times that blind loyalty is what I see on your side. I can defend him on the issues. Sparkly tried asked for a list and boy did she get one but she couldn't accept it. But it was all issues. I've never seen that on the Clinton side. Legacy, her turn, time for a woman, Clinton-love, and more. But where are the issues?
Think about it: she's a hawk -grandmamas, do you want to send your kids to war? She's compromised by big money; she's for or was for fracking, TPP, healthcare, and while she's had some big jobs she hasn't been in Congress or done as much politically as Bernie who quietly got things done as mayor of Burlington and as a member of the House and as a Senator. He just quietly goes about the business of helping people.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)You never answered me.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)And maybe there was a reason... I can tell you I've been alerted on several times and earned a hide a couple times. So how do you know it happened more to a group of you than the rest of us? Really, how do you know that? Again, I read and post a lot. There are so many posters and in all that time and reading all those posts, I've seen few hides. Maybe you know something I don't. So tell me.
Is there a place I can got to see which side has more bans and hides?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... stump for him in IA and NH
Also the racial obtuseness of Team Used Car Salesmen (Devine and Weaver) and their "southern states" shit that they still push today.
I post in the AA group as an AA and we all can count and know the disproportionate amount of hides and banns we've faced on DU because of being outspoken about Sanders
If I gave you anything empirical I truly doubt it would change anything
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Racial obtuseness? What is that? I see, you do post in a group so apparently that group has had a high number persons alerted and banned?
You shouldn't assume anything. See, that's the problem I find with supporters of Clinton. We Bernie-ites want facts and not emotions or assumptions. In fact, you last sentence is rather offensive because it implies that I won't list to reason anyway. But I do. As long as it is reasoned and logical and fact based.
Now, would I be correct in assuming that you didn't or won't read all those words I just posted in my last post?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)For instance.
There's no need to assume anything it's just empirical information a high number of African Americans were banned or hidden for post that went cross Sanders message that's a fact that's not in dispute
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)They stalk the groups. All my hides are in one of three groups. AA, HRC, BOG.
Two for direct quotes. I got the dayum hide and they got a leave,
85% BS 15% HC. Stacked Juries!!!!!!!
Stacked Juries!!!!!!!!!!!!!
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Tad Devine - who cares? HRC was a Goldwater girl - so?
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/34497-the-most-disingenuous-attack-on-bernie-yet
If you watched Sunday's Democratic debate, you learned something interesting about Bernie Sanders: he voted for the Commodities Futures Modernization Act, something Hillary Clinton was all too eager to point out when the two of them got to talking about Wall Street reform.
Sounds pretty bad, right? The guy who goes on and on about how bad Wall Street is actually voted for the bill that crashed economy. So much for all that "political revolution" stuff.
But here's the thing: Hillary Clinton isn't telling a true story about Bernie Sanders and his vote for the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, or CFMA.
As Robert Scheer has pointed out over at Truthdig, then-Congressman Sanders voted for the CFMA, not because he wanted to, but because he had to.
The CFMA had been shoved into an omnibus spending bill at the last minute as part of a deal between Republicans and President Bill Clinton, and because this was a time when, you know, Congress actually did its job, Sanders bit the bullet and voted for the whole package - CFMA included - to keep the government open.
Brady Bill: (from CNN debate)
He answered that question in the (October 2015 CNN) debate. He was for most of the provisions of the Brady Bill, but he felt that it held a potential for abuse that would punish the wrong people.
"For example, do I think that a gun shop in the state of Vermont that sells legally a gun to somebody, and that somebody goes out and does something crazy, that that gun shop owner should be held responsible? I don't."
-from: The CNN Democratic debate transcript, annotated
He was for a bill that distinguished between manufacturers and sellers who KNOWINGLY or NEGLIGENTLY sold weapons to criminals, but not those who accidentally sold weapons that were used in crimes.
So, if you buy a car from Ford and you run into somebody else, is it Ford's responsibility for manufacturing the car you purchased? Should a small car seller be liable for your behavior? You see, you guys either don't do your fact checking or you just get emotional. Which is it?
emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Mainly for the reason that it is the unofficial 2nd Hillary group.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)If you actually read the posts, you would know that many there did not support Clinton.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)... have each other on Ignore.
Over the years, I have briefly had one or two people on ignore. Now I am ignoring people I used to like and admire, and the list is very long. Good thing my real DU friends are actually friends in real life.
moriah
(8,311 posts)Hopefully by then the ones on it who are still here on DU will be working toward the site's election season mission, and it'll be a nice reunion.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)The only person I actually used to like who I don't like any more agreed with me completely about Hillary in 2008 and now disagrees equally completely while I haven't changed my opinion at all.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5314138
That was then and, unfortunately, this is now. And the now that we find ourselves in, as a party, is less than pretty.
When I heard Hillarys comment that she and John McCain brought the necessary experience and expertise to the table, while her fellow Democrat, Barack Obama, was to be dismissed as nothing more than a speech, I was truly astounded. This was not the Hillary of sense and sensibility, but the Hillary of pride and prejudice, a woman who would stop at nothing to achieve her goal, with an immediate and vicious bias against anyone who had the audacity to try and stand in her way.
This code of conduct has not subsided, but instead has persisted and become more blatantly apparent with every passing day. It is the same youre with us or against us mentality that has divided a nation for more than seven years; it is the same rhetoric that screams of entitlement and arrogance, rather than a sense of accepting the will of the people who have spoken, and continue to speak, about something more important than the ego of one politician with their eye focused on nothing else but the prize.
Helga Scow Stern
(3,889 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)They never acknowledged that there was a problem, something that has been documented around the country.
elleng
(130,973 posts)gets lower every hour.
grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)Dear god, they drive me from their candidate with every pompous, ill-conceived post they make.
I know I might feel the need to vote for her in November, but do they have to make me ill over the very possibility?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Or do you feel that only Hillary supporters have acted that way?
grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)With a few occasional asshat Bernie folk. But mainly Hillary cheerleaders. I have no doubt you see it differently.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)My observation is that kind of behavior has unfortunately been present among supporters of both candidates.
grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)But those that have been fighting the uphill battle against the ptb may be more easily excused, imo. And I could brush off the HRC cheerleaders if I had any feeling at all that HRC herself was listening to the points that so many of us are trying to make about the priorities and direction of the Party. But she has given no indication of shifting or changing her stances at all, and she and her cheerleaders simply sneer at our points. Unless I believe she is seriously shifting to the left, I (and my entire family, and most of my friends) will not be there for her in November.
She and her cheering squad might want to consider that. Or not, their choice.
xloadiex
(628 posts)may be back in the White House. You can't get any lower than the idea of that happening.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I like Bernie a lot but the way that his people dismissed the results in the South was pretty bad.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)Yet it also reflects the very specific conditions of 2014. Todays national Democratic Party is as unpopular in the South today as it has ever been, in no small part because the party has embraced a more secular agenda that is not popular in the region.
Its a completely different party than it was 20 or 30 years ago, said Merle Black, a professor of political science at Emory University. When the Democratic Party and its candidates become more liberal on culture and religion, thats not a party thats advocating what these whites value or think.
The party is also led by an unpopular president who has never appealed to the regions white voters. President Obama won about 17 percent of white voters across the Deep South and Texas in 2012, based on an analysis of pre-election polls conducted by the Pew Research Center, census data and election results.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/overdue-death-of-the-southern-democrats.html
Dates Weddings Real Estate Doctors NYC Tourist Guide Best of New York Issue Deals
Daily Intelligencer
the national interest
December 9, 2014 8:51 a.m.
The Long, Overdue Death of the Southern Democrats
By Jonathan Chait
Mary Landrieus defeat last weekend marked a final, anticlimactic end to an epoch in American politics. After Landrieus defeat, Republicans now control every state legislature and governorship in the Deep South. The only states anywhere in the former Confederacy where Democrats hold a governorship or a Senate seat are Virginia and Florida both of which, as Nate Cohn points out, have a majority of residents born outside those states. Democrats had pinned their hopes on a series of scions Mark Pryor, Mary Landrieu, Michelle Nunn, Jason Carter whose fathers had won in an era when Democrats carried those states, in the hopes of summoning their expired familial loyalties.
It is possible to view the decline of southern Democrats as a tragedy born of error. Kevin Baker, writing in the New York Times last month, lamented the Democrats loss of their ancestral heartland as the product of a misguided abandonment of economic populism. The real anomaly is that the Democrats managed to hold out in the Deep South so very, very long.
Barack Obama ran for presidency hoping to transcend old divisions, but his presidency has ironically lent renewed vigor to the most ancient division in American politics. The tea party, which presents itself as the heirs to the Founding Fathers, is actually an heir to one side of the American argument. One tradition bore intense suspicion of centralized government, venerated farmers and rural life, believed the Constitution forbade Congress from all but a handful of specifically enumerated fields of activity, felt comfortable with aggression and violence in both domestic life and foreign affairs, and defended existing social institutions against racial minorities and their allies. This political coalition has always had its strongest base in the Deep South. It is right-wing.
The other tradition advocated a stronger federal government (and deemed this expanded role Constitutional), considered public investment and education the best method of securing prosperity, was more averse to territorial conflict with neighbors, and was more solicitous of racial minorities. This coalition has always had its strongest base in New England. It is left-wing.
I know, I know wikipedia, eww. This isn't a formal paper though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition
Founding members were Glen Browder and Bud Cramer of Alabama; Blanche Lambert Lincoln of Arkansas; Gary Condit of California; Nathan Deal of Georgia; William Lipinski of Illinois; Scotty Baesler of Kentucky; Billy Tauzin and Jimmy Hayes of Louisiana; Collin Peterson and David Minge of Minnesota; Michael Parker and Gene Taylor of Mississippi; Pat Danner of Missouri; William K. Brewster of Oklahoma; John S. Tanner of Tennessee; Ralph Hall, Charles Stenholm, Pete Geren and Greg Laughlin of Texas, Bill Orton of Utah; and Lewis F. Payne, Jr. and Owen Pickett of Virginia. Condit and Deal were co-chairmen. Browder headed the group's budget task force.[9]
The term "Blue Dog Democrat" is credited to Texas Democratic Rep. Pete Geren (who later joined the Bush Administration). Geren opined that the members had been "choked blue" by Democrats on the Left.[10] It is related to the political term "Yellow Dog Democrat," a reference to southern Democrats said to be so loyal they would even vote for a yellow dog if it were labeled Democrat. The term is also a reference to the "Blue Dog" paintings of Cajun artist George Rodrigue of Lafayette, Louisiana, as the original members of the coalition would regularly meet in the offices of Louisiana representatives Billy Tauzin and Jimmy Hayes, both of whom later joined the Republican Party; both had Rodrigue's paintings on their walls.[11][12] An additional explanation for the term cited by members is "when dogs are not let into the house, they stay outside in the cold and turn blue," a reference to the Blue Dogs' belief they had been left out of a party that they believed had shifted to the political left.[13]
Although its membership is not exclusively Southern, some[14][15] view the Blue Dogs as the political successors to a now defunct-in-name Southern Democratic group known as the Boll Weevils, who played a critical role in the early 1980s by supporting President Ronald Reagan's tax cut plan. The Boll Weevils, in turn, may be considered the descendants of the Dixiecrats and the "states' rights" Democrats of the 1940s through the 1960s, and even the Bourbon Democrats of the late 19th century.[16]
I live in Texas, I know the big picture view isn't a fair one. The articles I selected largely avoid talking about Southern Black Democrats, but due to election fraud they don't have as much power as they should(something our Democratic leaders rarely address). It however isn't without some justification about Christian, White Southern Democrats. Bill Clinton and James Carville believed the key to holding elected office in the South and gaining more Democratic wins across the country was to be more conservative. Talk like a conservative, even if you don't intend to be one. It's why they hate the left so much, it ruins the con.
However, if you're going to pretend to be a conservative(I'm not sure if any of them were pretending) you have to vote like it once in a while. When we... say badly needed cloture vote in the Senate and didn't get it, baring an occasional conserva-Dem from elsewhere, it was most likely a Southern Democrat who effed us.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)available - can't remember name but he was highly respected Lt. Gov. of the state. I never understood that. I guess friendship and colleagues trump campaigns and real choice now.
The South is hard to talk about without sounding personal - esp. when referring to the black vote which I note you do not attempt. They had quite a presence in 2016 primaries.
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)with each side claiming the others are enemies
on DU? the utter failure of the jury system
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Joob
(1,065 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)qdouble
(891 posts)Sparkly
(24,149 posts)I agree that was/is a low point.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Just when I think the Clintons and Cronies have gotten as lowlife, corrupt, and sleazy as they can, they prove me wrong by climbing to new lows.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)eom
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Especially among some here that are more politically aware than your average voter.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)a wider swath of voters. Partially due to MSM's abysmal failure to really cover it, but on this board, where people have the info, it's remarkably dismissed as unimportant. "Democratic values" used to mean something.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)TSIAS
(14,689 posts)Lots of grievances being aired in this thread.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)RandySF
(58,900 posts)k8conant
(3,030 posts)and laughing.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Other than that and the lack of choices I think it has been an outstanding primaries.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)I considered O'Malley a great counter-point and he tends to make the other candidates honest, as he was able to correct the record in the debates that he was actually involved in.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)etc... and in turn, labeling his supporters as such even if we possess uteruses.
This is where Hillary, and her supporters, lost me for good... outside of her anti-woman stances on abortion and her pro-war voting record.
actslikeacarrot
(464 posts)... Either don't care about war or actually support it. Hillary is a hawk, there is NO denying it.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Seriously, it's like we picked two candidates that were specifically designed to not be able to keep our coalition together.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
Recursion
(56,582 posts)O'Malley was the best of the ones that ran, but I dislike how shallow our bench was to begin with; there was no need for that.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)It's hard to choose between the racism and the sexism of some Bernie supporters. I'm going to go with the racism, but it's a close race. Saw a post yesterday saying black voters are hoping, by voting for Hillary, to be brought into the house from the fields. That's...really quite something.
ContinentalOp
(5,356 posts)who provided cover to attack the nominee from the "left" using tired right wing smears.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Do you really believe this? I can't imagine that you do, because it is such a preposterous and frankly stupid thing to suggest. Therefore the more correct interpretation is that you are slinging mud to insult people and to try and make yourself feel better for supporting a neoliberal corporate puppet.
/ignore list.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)And another generation of poor and minority kids committed to more war. Congrats, Clintonites.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)My second inclination was to go with WillyH and his Stockholm Syndrome post since it showed that Trump hasn't just moved the needle of racism, he's moved the entire spectrum and made racism as acceptable in Democratic circles as they are in Ring Wing land.
My third inclination was to go with the sudden accusation that everyone on here is a paid troll, but then I realized that that's too specific to this website and DU certainly isn't the entire political world, and that sorta nullifies a big part of my second inclination as well.
So, I finally came down to what the lowest, most irritating, most pointless aspect of this entire primary has been ...
That fucking bird.
I never wanna see that bird again after this election season is over.
ContinentalOp
(5,356 posts)Is seeing terms like "identity politics" and "race card" or "gender card" being used as insults by supposed progressives at DU.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)and that the outcome was predetermined. I didn't know until then that just because you say you are a Democrat, that doesn't necessarily mean you are a democrat.
astrophuss42
(290 posts)Just realizing that my preferred candidate started 1/5th of the way behind was a good start I guess, but looking at it thru the perspective of history and noticing that this is how it goes was pretty darn depressing.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)by limiting their number, scheduling them during competing events, and threatening sanctions for engaging in 'unauthorized' debates, it was clear that the Party was colluding with the Clinton campaign. That's not how it's supposed to work - the people pick the candidates, not the Party bosses.
By its behavior the Democratic Party has shown itself to be thoroughly corrupt and not worth saving.
Autumn
(45,107 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Hidden by a jury...4-3. So at least 3 Bernie supporters thought it was a-ok.
Your thoughts?
Autumn
(45,107 posts)You don't, but damn if you didn't just prove my point about using racism against Bernie supporters and call Bernie supporters racist in your post when you have no fucking clue who voted what on that hidden post .
79. What do you think of this post?
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1834856
Hidden by a jury...4-3. So at least 3 Bernie supporters thought it was a-ok.
Your thoughts?
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I seriously doubt that. The post was anti-Hillary. Do you think there are loads of DU posters running around who are anti-Hillary but not pro-Bernie?
Autumn
(45,107 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)It would be very nice to believe that all the racist posts I've read from ostensible Bernie supporters were actually made by trolls. It would make me feel a lot better about DU and Bernie's campaign. But there were a lot of them (that one was from yesterday, so it was uppermost in my mind) and the percentages are against you.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.
Autumn
(45,107 posts)supporters who post racist rants and play the jury game. I sleep fine at night, thanks for your concern and thanks for proving my point.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)And jury rigging on both sides.
But no, I haven't seen any Hillary supporters posting racist rants. I suppose even the jerks on Hillary's side realise that POC are voting for her, so why would they?
I don't have anyone on ignore except for one Bernie supporter who continued to use rape rhetoric even after I told him it was upsetting and made me uncomfortable.
Turin_C3PO
(14,004 posts)I'm sure each supporter has some.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)But there were really a shockingly high number of racist posts this primary season, all of the ones I saw anti-Hillary (and ostensibly pro-Bernie). I'd find it hard to believe they were ALL trolls.
Turin_C3PO
(14,004 posts)But I'd like to think (not that this is an excuse) that maybe some Bernie supporters just got frustrated in the heat of the moment and regret what they said. Of course there are genuine racists and sexists that are pulling for him, but I think many of those are libertarians (who aren't on this site, imo) who just want an outsider. I'm not sure about Hillary supporters this time around but I do know in 2008 she had a fair amount of racist supporters.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I'd like to still believe the best in people. It's hard sometimes, though.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Autumn
(45,107 posts)When all you have is a hammer everything is a nail.
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005059
During the Holocaust, the creation of ghettos was a key step in the Nazi process of separating, persecuting, and ultimately destroying Europe's Jews.
KEY FACTS
Ghettos were set up to segregate Jews from the rest of the population.
They were designed to be temporary; some lasted only a few days or weeks, others for several years.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... can reverse that
Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)Yeah, that happened.
My daughter works for, and tweets for, a prominent organization that endorsed Clinton. The week of the endorsement (which has nothing to do with her job), two different Bernie supporters took to Twitter and suggested raping her.
This is why, as a Bernie supporter, I've never pushed back against the BernieBro label. It's by no means all of us, but those ass clowns are out there. As a progessive -- and a father -- they sicken me.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)They are assholes and opportunists that attach themselves to movements in order to give themselves an excuse to act out. They have little or no interest in the objectives of the movement.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)All fair in love...war...politics but that really diminished sanders for many of us..
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)I'm so sorry for you all. Boo-hoo-hoo-hoo.
merrily
(45,251 posts)nemo137
(3,297 posts)I think the naked messianism in both camps has been the most depressing. I've said, verbatim, that I'd crawl over broken glass to vote for either of them, and do it with a light heart, but my god, neither of them are going to fix any of the actual shit wrong with the country. I think keeping that in mind and viewing them as politicians representing different constituencies and approaches within the broad left-liberal coalition in this country would have made for a healthier GD: P, but primaries make everything on the internet stupid (as we say in 2004 and 2008 as well).
Thus much for today's grump-rant.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)announced her candidacy.
That was a sad day in America.
Vinca
(50,278 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Haveadream
(1,630 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Dismissing the base voters of the democratic party with "Deep South", "Confederate states" "Stockholm Syndrome" comments.
Trying to turn union workers against their democratically elected leadership and using republican terms such as "corrupt union bosses" for those that dared to endorse Hillary.
The surrogates...Susan Sarandon, Dr. Paul Song, Rosario Dawson, Tim Robbins. A pack of idiots that cost Bernie hundreds of thousands of votes or more, possibly millions!
Insane media fans and websites: HA Goodman..Huff Post, Salon, TYT, Debbie the (In)Sane Progressive...Youtube, trolls and stealth republicans, libertarians and green party shit stirrers...Democratic Underground, Daily KOS, reddit, MoveOn etc.
Excoriating super delegates as undemocratic corporate whores and warning them not to interfere with the will of the people.
Until the Sanders campaign needs them to win, then...180...we will try to flip those corporate whores to our side and the will of the people be damned!
Bernie's Italian adventure: The Pope fiasco.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)This piece of bottom feeding filth (link below) exemplifies the length that Hillary sycophants will go to get their pantsuit hero elected.
This what spurred be to finally join DU (I've been a longtime lurker)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026737025
polly7
(20,582 posts)cluster bombing small children, enabling weapons to the world's worst human rights abusers to commit war-crimes with, environmental disaster, coups against sovereign nations resulting in horror for millions ....... and on and on and on. All while claiming to be progressive and not giving one single fuck how many of these billions used to destroy life for others could be saving lives in their own country. It's been an eye-opener, that's for sure. Quite a change even here.
peace13
(11,076 posts)The killing without conscience is the worst. Our citizens have lost their souls.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and I will leave it at that.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)cry baby
(6,682 posts)Bad form.
Turin_C3PO
(14,004 posts)I thought the 2008 primaries were bad but then 2016 came along.
DookDook
(166 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)This time I was more involved than since 76 and I had not realized the extent to which we have lost our democracy - from the lack of coverage by the MSM - the onesided DNC - the lack of concern about voting problems and finally the fact that my vote has no meaning considering that my state sold me out before there was even a debate - let alone a vote and then to realize how much the super-delegates can just take an election and throw it to their candidate as if they somehow know better than we do.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)even notice?
bvf
(6,604 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Master-Slave relationship and Stockholm Syndrome. POC being low-information voters is a close tie as well.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,733 posts)But that's just being flip. As to specific things I'd say it's the heavy thumb of DWS on the DNC's scale.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Supported here. Unbelievable to watch.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)for both sides.
Prism
(5,815 posts)It began the day Sanders announced, and it was used to plant the seeds of Bernie's "racial problem" (always put in vague tones with ever shifting conditions he should meet but seemingly never did no matter how he tried to accommodate those demands).
It never ended. The strategy from Day One - alienate Sanders from racial minorities through smear, innuendo, and implication.
It worked. By the time the primaries began, Hillary Clinton should've just gone full Kanye with "Bernie Sanders doesn't care about black people." Even though she was a guiding force and voice for a perspective on crime and welfare that devastated millions of minorities' lives and plenty of poor whites as well).
This dividing tactic was even tried in the LGBT community, but fortunately, we weren't having that shit. The LGBT community remained fairly evenly divided, and when people tried, "Bernie is against gay marriage!" a lot of my brothers and sisters laughed in those shameless partisan lackeys' faces.
reddread
(6,896 posts)they have no compunctions, morals or ethics.
this is what we got from them.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)..., a person who called Obama niggerized, stump for him in from of mostly white IA and NH and then vamoose in the "southern states"
Yeah, a lot of the Count the brown people started with Sanders 2014 interview when he claimed racism was over and that social issues weren't that important...
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)Lo and behold, some americans sided with him! Never I have seen so much idiocy in the World's greatest nation. An asshole who claims he will build a wall and the Mexican government will have to pay for it. That clown car should have left the apprentice a long time ago, but the idiot is gaining ground. What does it say about some Americans?
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)was incredibly weak from the get-go. it also means Republican voters are so fed up with the status quo they are willing to give the keys to the White House to a brash egotistical real estate developer/reality tv show personality who has never held elective office and who knows nothing about the inner workings of the US government.
Sad that we're scraping the bottom of the barrel with Trump, but sadder still that he has a good shot at winning.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)Several people have talked about how only the mature and their friends should be able to vote. They have been fine with the win by any legal means necessary, and they have said some of the most racist and sexist stuff about the group that BLM targeted first because our group was the most likely to take up their massage for them.
...oh and of giving Hillary for the racist things she did against Obama last election. I have yet to hear a good excuse for the stuff she did before.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)That the Red Queen and MSM can dig even deeper.
JI7
(89,252 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)for a certain somebody's phony, self-serving apology thread.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)I feel that some people on here post things that make you angry but you have to contain yourself and not get sucked in. That is what they are looking for. Thank goodness the jury people make wise decisions.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)And seeing the complete wreckage of what once was.
This place has about as much import in my current life as the cable news channels.
That would be none.
peace13
(11,076 posts)...or is it the media making it look like Sanders is closing up shop? Who knows. I remember the NY primary and Hill and Bill voted on home turf and obviously spent time in their home over that period. When Bernie went to his house for the night after the primary, everyone said he was going home to decide the future of his campaign. I love the contrast. Each time this happens the momentum shifts.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)And Dave Weigel and John Arovosis and Joshua Micah Marshall and Larry David.
I still have some respect for them, but less than I did a year ago.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...implying that his millions of supporters just want to break up Big Banks.
People who support Bernie Sanders for any or all these issues were belittled by her remark:
Free tuition
Single payer
$15 min wage
Raising the Social Security cap
Passing a carbon tax
Banning fracking
Ending mandatory minimums and the death penalty
A more peaceful foreign policy
B Calm
(28,762 posts)aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)I suppose it was a low point of something much bigger involving people of color (especially African Americans) and white liberal males such as myself.
There is still a lot that I need to understand and accept.
Logical
(22,457 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I can say so many things but the right answer is my bad behavior.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)a good all purpose excuse I find
peace13
(11,076 posts)...there is clear evidence that donations were made to her foundation at the same time she was negotiating guns and war tools to those same doners. That she went against President Obama's orders to not work with certain individuals while SOS. This resulted in her foundation hiring the individual and working with her. Hence the email server issue. These are big deals to me. She appears to have disregard for the laws that the rest of us would be sent to her private prisons for breaking! That being said, maybe someone could help me understand this.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)They effectively destroyed Bernie's history of leadership and activism on racial justice issues. While Hillary was still "evolving", Bernie was acting.
They actually denied he did anything. After that was totally debunked mocked his efforts.
And Hillary, who with Bill, did much to set back racial justice, walked away with the minority vote. Their cynical strategy worked.
TumbleAndJumble
(24 posts)for us by the DNC and that we were never offered a choice about the candidate by the Democratic Party.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)You can't get lower than that.