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in retrospect, what has been the low point of this primary? (Original Post) reddread Apr 2016 OP
The pointed use of racial politics by the Clinton campaign to disparage Sanders.[n/t] Maedhros Apr 2016 #1
The Worst of the Worst noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #3
Right up there with Willy Horton.[n/t] Maedhros Apr 2016 #4
Or WillyT. JTFrog Apr 2016 #23
heh. nt nolawarlock Apr 2016 #66
I'm glad you referenced that. nolawarlock Apr 2016 #67
so you call him WillyH .... Hiraeth Apr 2016 #123
So does this mean you are defending his racist Stockholm Syndrome post? nolawarlock Apr 2016 #138
I know one thing, Hiraeth Apr 2016 #139
Thank you ... nolawarlock Apr 2016 #141
Or down there, Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #196
Low information voters, Stockholm Syndrome, Southern states don't matter KittyWampus Apr 2016 #13
Southern states have "master/slave" mentality emulatorloo Apr 2016 #58
But it was okay when they had the same mentality to Iowa, Vermont etc artislife Apr 2016 #109
Don't forget, "when you talk about ghettos traditionally, what you talk about ... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #162
At every turn and every opportunity. nt cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #31
I second this but add a little extra GummyBearz Apr 2016 #49
I'd pretend that as well... it allows us the creative pretense of oppression. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #126
Yesterday's post yearning for Hillary's indictment Hortensis Apr 2016 #72
Yearning for an indictment on charges of which she very well may be guilty Maedhros Apr 2016 #75
The indictment fairy. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #113
Lol. More like the indictment evil warlock. Hortensis Apr 2016 #145
First answer is the thread winner farleftlib Apr 2016 #78
That for sure Armstead Apr 2016 #100
I thought that was very unfair Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #114
My jaw dropped when I was told that it didn't matter if he walked with MLK fasttense Apr 2016 #129
"when you talk about ghettos traditionally, what you talk about is African-American communities. " uponit7771 Apr 2016 #161
Hillary's refusal to drop out while facing investigations, for the good of the party, takes it silvershadow Apr 2016 #2
Hillary trolls shutting down facebook groups by spamming with child-porn AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #5
yes. That was probably the lowest that I've seen ANY dana_b Apr 2016 #10
AND getting PAID for doing so AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #14
I don't want to just put you on Ignore, but... moriah Apr 2016 #20
I believe there has been a photo with Hillary ....... peace13 Apr 2016 #213
Yeah, that didn't happen, but you go on and believe whatever helps you sleep at night. nt JTFrog Apr 2016 #18
Guess you didn't hear that Facebook itself said that it was a technical glitch and . . . brush Apr 2016 #82
A porn spamming glitch that only took down Sanders groups? AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #144
Did you not read what I wrote? It wasn't only Sanders pages. brush Apr 2016 #146
Bernie using the Vatican and Pope for a political stunt photo op itsrobert Apr 2016 #6
Yeah nolawarlock Apr 2016 #68
The obsessive attention to the Vatican Visit was a comedic lown point Armstead Apr 2016 #105
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #175
Berniebros attacking multiple civil rights icons. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #7
Translation: Sanders marched with MLK whilest Hillary was working to get Goldwater elected AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #15
Translation: Bernie gets the shit beat out of him by Hillary with minorities.... LexVegas Apr 2016 #22
"Pandering, lying bullshit"...Ever heard of Projection? Look it up. KeepItReal Apr 2016 #53
This. This. This. Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #205
The information theft by the Sanders campaign CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #8
...that never materialized... AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #17
We'll never know, sadly. CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #21
Bernie fired them for a reason. n/t emulatorloo Apr 2016 #56
The "speech" that Sanders just gave. grossproffit Apr 2016 #9
He was an angry bird. CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #24
That hotsauce thing... ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #11
MSM pretending Senator Sanders was not real. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #12
The disgusting attacks on civil rights leaders and others who dare endorse Hillary. JTFrog Apr 2016 #16
Which civil rights leader was criticized just for endorsing her? NT Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #189
the alert stalking in the African American Group- all the rude assessments of the intellect or bettyellen Apr 2016 #19
+1 itsrobert Apr 2016 #25
That ticks most of my boxes too. wildeyed Apr 2016 #47
Well said. emulatorloo Apr 2016 #55
yeah, the hosts here have been bullied to the brink by libertarians who had an active dislike bettyellen Apr 2016 #62
I don't think Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #116
Bernie is a progressive in the true sense. Isn't it normal for you to find that intimidating I guess snowy owl Apr 2016 #130
"Why is it bad to acknowledge" the rampant harassment of women and POC here IS a real problem? bettyellen Apr 2016 #131
In the eyes of the beholder I guess. Harassment of women? I don't see it. snowy owl Apr 2016 #140
and the harassment of POC- not worth you addressing? Noted. bettyellen Apr 2016 #143
No, I haven't noted that either. Perhaps you're overly sensitive. POC treated like everybody else. snowy owl Apr 2016 #150
Well you are ignorant to what has gone on in the AA forum, but I assure you, I am not. bettyellen Apr 2016 #151
So I disagree so am ignorant. hahaha. Spoken like a true Clinton supporter. snowy owl Apr 2016 #153
You said more than once you did not know- yet discount what I say. So you admittedly spoke from bettyellen Apr 2016 #187
Women. Hillary Supporters. People of Color. AA. sheshe2 Apr 2016 #155
No, I haven't. HRC claims victimhood. Maybe that's prevalent on your side. snowy owl Apr 2016 #157
You have a link to where she claims victim hood? sheshe2 Apr 2016 #159
No link. I guess her "artful smears" comment early on. Her cheap shots connote the victim but... snowy owl Apr 2016 #171
Good dodge. sheshe2 Apr 2016 #185
This is false on its face, a disproportionate amount of us were banned multiple times uponit7771 Apr 2016 #166
How do you know that? I mean that there were many of you? snowy owl Apr 2016 #176
I was hidden twice for posting about Sanders having the person who called Obama niggerized... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #177
Sorry, I don't know about that person. Can you link? snowy owl Apr 2016 #179
Yes a very high number of people have been hidden or banned just for posting links to Sanders votes uponit7771 Apr 2016 #210
The hides are in the groups. sheshe2 Apr 2016 #186
I'm talking about GDP not individual groups where hides are available uponit7771 Apr 2016 #211
Voted for CFMA, corporate immunity, against Brady Bill and has Tad Devin on his time =! progressive! uponit7771 Apr 2016 #165
You don't do your homework. Check your facts. That's my complaint about HRC people. snowy owl Apr 2016 #178
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #164
+1. A real eye-opener for me. n/t emulatorloo Apr 2016 #60
+1000 Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #73
you mean the unofficial Hillary group? ibegurpard Apr 2016 #132
Sour grapes is a shitty reason to stalk the African American group. bettyellen Apr 2016 #135
I don't go to the African American group ibegurpard Apr 2016 #136
You know because you never go there? wildeyed Apr 2016 #198
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #163
That DU has been so fractured that people who used to be friends... moriah Apr 2016 #26
+1000 AirmensMom Apr 2016 #48
When the election goes to GE footing I'll clear my list. moriah Apr 2016 #63
The people I have mostly agreed with over the years I still agree with Fumesucker Apr 2016 #192
Election fraud n/t. Helga Scow Stern Apr 2016 #27
The fact that the Clinton campaign never addressed this issue. peace13 Apr 2016 #204
Keep seeing nasty posts/comments, elleng Apr 2016 #28
The smug, entitled, arrogant posts of the HRC cheerleaders. grntuscarora Apr 2016 #29
Do you feel that any of Bernie's supporters have been smug, entitled, or arrogant? oberliner Apr 2016 #34
Hillary supporters. grntuscarora Apr 2016 #42
I have seen some of that on both sides oberliner Apr 2016 #44
Perhaps, yes. grntuscarora Apr 2016 #46
Thinking that Hillary and especially Bill xloadiex Apr 2016 #30
Bernie supporters referring to mostly African-American voters as representing "Confederate states" oberliner Apr 2016 #32
Just Bernie Supporters? The South does have a reputation. That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #137
Thanks for posting. A difficult subject. Obama campaigned for Lincoln when a very good real dem was snowy owl Apr 2016 #182
the inability of the democratic party to act like a party Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #33
Clinton supporters calling fellow Democrats racists. Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #35
Realizing I don't belong in this party, my values are different. Joob Apr 2016 #36
The systematic attacks against AA people. joshcryer Apr 2016 #37
Bernie supporters promoting conspiracy theories and right wing talking points on a constant basis qdouble Apr 2016 #38
EXACTLY. Sparkly Apr 2016 #95
Conspiracies? In your fantasies. Like what? snowy owl Apr 2016 #154
+1, to this day!!! uponit7771 Apr 2016 #167
Hasn't happened for me yet. 99Forever Apr 2016 #39
Hillary. PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #40
Corporate whore Renew Deal Apr 2016 #41
The confirmation that some democrats refuse to embrace progressive policies. Juicy_Bellows Apr 2016 #43
Yes. And also, for me, learning the depth of corruption and seeing that it hasn't been important to JudyM Apr 2016 #134
Well said. I agree and share your shock. Juicy_Bellows Apr 2016 #148
Mr "we'll see" isn't the standard for progressiveness for America uponit7771 Apr 2016 #168
Isn't Festivus in December? TSIAS Apr 2016 #45
For some people, festivus is year round. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #50
Hillary being called a 'whore' in NY. RandySF Apr 2016 #51
Hillary saying "That'll never happen" about FBI investigation implicating her... k8conant Apr 2016 #52
O'Malley not getting any traction at all. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #54
I can actually quite agree with this. Xyzse Apr 2016 #122
There have been too many to count... The painting of a good man as racist, sexist, anti-LGBT ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #57
The realization that a majority of my fellow Dems... actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #59
When the field winnowed down to our two worst candidates Recursion Apr 2016 #61
Who should have been the nominee? NT Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #193
Schweitzer, had he run Recursion Apr 2016 #194
Oof, that's a hard question. auntpurl Apr 2016 #64
That we let the party get hijacked by an unelectable outsider ContinentalOp Apr 2016 #65
Sorry, but this post is just ridiculous. Maedhros Apr 2016 #81
Worst: realization so few people value democracy. snowy owl Apr 2016 #90
The party and its reaction to progressive ideals. mmonk Apr 2016 #69
This is a tough one ... nolawarlock Apr 2016 #70
One thing that has really bummed me out ContinentalOp Apr 2016 #71
when it became obvious to me that the whole primary process was rigged by the Democratic™ party corkhead Apr 2016 #74
I concur with this astrophuss42 Apr 2016 #76
When the DNC imposed stifling restrictions on debates Maedhros Apr 2016 #83
The Clinton supporters and campaign using racism against Bernie Sanders and his supporters. Autumn Apr 2016 #77
What do you think of this post? auntpurl Apr 2016 #79
My thoughts? It was a good hide. How do you know it was 3 Bernie supporters? Autumn Apr 2016 #91
So you think it was Hillary supporters? auntpurl Apr 2016 #93
Do you think there are only Bernie and Hillary supporters here and this place is troll free? Autumn Apr 2016 #99
Okey doke. auntpurl Apr 2016 #102
Looks like you have all the right Hillary supporters on ignore if you think that it's only Bernie Autumn Apr 2016 #104
There are definitely jerks on both sides. auntpurl Apr 2016 #106
Maybe it was just racists or trolls? Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #117
I'm sure there are trolls on both sides, yes. auntpurl Apr 2016 #118
Probably not. Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #119
I certainly hope so. auntpurl Apr 2016 #120
"when you talk about ghettos traditionally, what you talk about is African-American communities. " uponit7771 Apr 2016 #170
Ghettos are not exclusive to African-American communities Autumn Apr 2016 #200
Looking at the context of the question everyone knew what he was talking about no amount of excuses uponit7771 Apr 2016 #207
BernieBros threatening to rape my daughter Proud Public Servant Apr 2016 #80
They're like the Black Bloc that show up at street protests here in Portland. Maedhros Apr 2016 #86
When sanders said Hillary wasn't qualified.... beachbum bob Apr 2016 #84
Aw, c'mon. Feel so bad...poor Clintonites . . . even though HRC surrogates said it first. snowy owl Apr 2016 #87
Corruption. It's been at the root of everything else. merrily Apr 2016 #85
"All of them, Charlie." nemo137 Apr 2016 #88
The low point was when Hillary John Poet Apr 2016 #89
+1 farleftlib Apr 2016 #94
The failure of the media to cover Bernie because they dubbed him as "fringe." Vinca Apr 2016 #92
Not good enough Bernie Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #96
Trump Haveadream Apr 2016 #97
Oh god yes, I rescind my answer! THIS. auntpurl Apr 2016 #108
Attacking civil rights icons... workinclasszero Apr 2016 #98
"not good enough, Bernie" jack_krass Apr 2016 #101
Seeing that so many support perpetual war, empire and profit over human lives, polly7 Apr 2016 #103
Yes Polly, I agree. peace13 Apr 2016 #209
This has been the dirtiest campaing I have experienced since 2000 nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #107
Last night Armstead Apr 2016 #110
Good grief, this is a shit stirring OP. cry baby Apr 2016 #111
All of it. Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #112
The attacks on Senator Sanders wife. nt DookDook Apr 2016 #115
The fixing that has gone on from the state to the actual election. jwirr Apr 2016 #121
That's a pretty good description of an oligarchy. snowy owl Apr 2016 #156
Yes - I wonder how long it has been this way and we did not jwirr Apr 2016 #214
Clinton's candidacy. bvf Apr 2016 #124
Master-Slave relationship and Stockholm Syndrome. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #125
Clinton's candidacy. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #127
When Hillary Clinton announced she was running again. B Calm Apr 2016 #128
And, this ....... right before vital votes. polly7 Apr 2016 #133
That was very well put together. Good points by TYT and a must watch JimDandy Apr 2016 #183
"Count the brown people" Prism Apr 2016 #142
balls out racism from racists reddread Apr 2016 #149
..and that notion was confirmed by polling, it was obvious for all to see after he had Cornell West uponit7771 Apr 2016 #172
That right-wing news sources are used to make arguments and validate opinions. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #147
The media promoting donald trump. It was not funny, but the media hyped that idiot! akbacchus_BC Apr 2016 #152
The ascendancy of Trump means that the Repuke field LibDemAlways Apr 2016 #184
How bad our fellow dems are with their cavalier views of voters. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #158
The primary isn't over. I have confidence no matter what the low point is now... Kalidurga Apr 2016 #160
Asshole WillyT's Bigoted Shit Getting a lot of support JI7 Apr 2016 #169
yeap, 80 recs for his meta Stockholm Syndrome post uponit7771 Apr 2016 #173
And 89 melman Apr 2016 #190
Please keep calm! You do not want to get exiled! akbacchus_BC Apr 2016 #174
Coming back to DU after a couple year layoff cliffordu Apr 2016 #180
Sanders appearing to let up before all primaries are completed... peace13 Apr 2016 #212
Krugman. I used to listen to him. Now I only see a smug lying bastard. floppyboo Apr 2016 #181
Yes, I also have less respect for Paul Krugman. Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #191
Hillary Clinton calling Sanders a single-issue candidate Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #188
When the DNC crammed a shitty candidate down our throats! B Calm Apr 2016 #195
With regard to DU, the letter to our friend in Alaska. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #197
Hillary has been a huge disappointment. Nt Logical Apr 2016 #199
My cursing out other DUers. My being nasty to others here and my bad behavior. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #201
We've all done that...Chalk it up to passion Armstead Apr 2016 #208
That Clinton supporters just don't care that while she was SOS.. peace13 Apr 2016 #202
The systematic use of racial politics by the Clintons and their lackeys. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #203
To me this Democratic 2016 Presidential campaign began with the low that the choice had been made TumbleAndJumble Apr 2016 #206
Low Point? The Writings of H. A. Goodman. MineralMan Apr 2016 #215

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
3. The Worst of the Worst
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:10 PM
Apr 2016

YES THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and used to attack his supporters. Very offensive. I will never, ever forget it.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
67. I'm glad you referenced that.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:55 AM
Apr 2016

I've been calling him WillyH wherever I've referenced him. His race-baiting reminded me of 41 right away, only he substituted furloughed criminals with low-information voters with a bad case of stockholm syndrome.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
123. so you call him WillyH ....
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:25 PM
Apr 2016

does that mean we can call you notawarlock.

yeah.

I like it.

notawarlock.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
138. So does this mean you are defending his racist Stockholm Syndrome post?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:21 PM
Apr 2016

It sure seems like enough people defended that when he was banned.

Yeah, he's WillieH.

As far as what you call me, I'm not that wrapped up in what people call me, as long as they call.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
141. Thank you ...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

I'm happy for you to ignore me. It means you won't be responding to me anymore but if you make a truly wrong post, like defending racism, I'll always get the last word on it.

Not sure what metaphor you think I didn't get. I knew what you were saying. You're truly not understanding that I don't care what names people call me, or what I say I am or I am not. Well, I take that back. Paid Brock troll sort of annoyed me, but hey, it gave me a justifiable reason to promote myself.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
13. Low information voters, Stockholm Syndrome, Southern states don't matter
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:22 PM
Apr 2016

'winning South Carolina in a Democratic primary is about as significant as winning Guam'

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
162. Don't forget, "when you talk about ghettos traditionally, what you talk about ...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:01 AM
Apr 2016

... is African-American communities. "

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
49. I second this but add a little extra
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:03 PM
Apr 2016

The use of gender politics by the Clinton campaign to disparage Sanders supporters (we are all misogynists now)...

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
126. I'd pretend that as well... it allows us the creative pretense of oppression.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

I'd pretend that as well... it allows us the creative pretense of oppression.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
72. Yesterday's post yearning for Hillary's indictment
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:19 AM
Apr 2016

may only be one of many dozens that were as low as one could go without bringing NSA surveillance to bear on us, but I'll offer that one.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
75. Yearning for an indictment on charges of which she very well may be guilty
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:51 AM
Apr 2016

does not even come close to the racial bullshit Hillary supporters are peddling.

You should be ashamed to even suggest it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
145. Lol. More like the indictment evil warlock.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:49 PM
Apr 2016

Wonder if one's shown up. It'd be reassuring to know that no one here is so far gone as actually to trade their first-born child for an indictment.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
78. First answer is the thread winner
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:59 AM
Apr 2016


The Clintons aim low and shoot hard. Like the Obama photo in African garb in '08.
They're despicable.

Turin_C3PO

(14,004 posts)
114. I thought that was very unfair
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:07 PM
Apr 2016

of Clinton supporters to imply he's racist and whatnot. On the other side, I didn't like Bernie supporters (some) who made light of the Black vote in the South, like it didn't matter or something.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
129. My jaw dropped when I was told that it didn't matter if he walked with MLK
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:43 PM
Apr 2016

It was so long ago that it is irrelevant.

Because Hillary is such a supporter of black people that Bernie's civil rights activism doesn't ever matter.

Im never going to vote for Hillary and I don't care if you get Trump. I am done voting for Democrats because liberals have no where else to go. I do have somewhere else to go. I'll stay home.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
161. "when you talk about ghettos traditionally, what you talk about is African-American communities. "
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:00 AM
Apr 2016
 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
2. Hillary's refusal to drop out while facing investigations, for the good of the party, takes it
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:01 PM
Apr 2016

by a squeaker over her decidedly anti-Union Labor Corporatist Third Way views.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
5. Hillary trolls shutting down facebook groups by spamming with child-porn
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:12 PM
Apr 2016

Hard to get any lower than that

moriah

(8,311 posts)
20. I don't want to just put you on Ignore, but...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:27 PM
Apr 2016

... it'd be nice to see you give *some* evidence for that claim if you're going to keep making it.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
213. I believe there has been a photo with Hillary .......
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:48 AM
Apr 2016

....and one of the men linked to this Facebook problem. The cycle is short so there is the usual chance that this will never be resolved. It is clear that while this 'happened' to other FB pages none of them were associated with Hill's campaign. Lucky her, once again.

brush

(53,787 posts)
82. Guess you didn't hear that Facebook itself said that it was a technical glitch and . . .
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:07 PM
Apr 2016

many pages other than Sanders pages were also down temporarily.

brush

(53,787 posts)
146. Did you not read what I wrote? It wasn't only Sanders pages.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:50 PM
Apr 2016

And google it to find Facebook's own explanation.

Everything bad that happens is not the Clinton campaign/DNC's fault.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
68. Yeah
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:56 AM
Apr 2016

That was definitely the low point for me. It's why I decided to finally join DU, so I could talk about it.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
105. The obsessive attention to the Vatican Visit was a comedic lown point
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:51 PM
Apr 2016

right down to checking flight schedules to determine exactly how many hours he would out of New Yotk

LexVegas

(6,067 posts)
22. Translation: Bernie gets the shit beat out of him by Hillary with minorities....
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:27 PM
Apr 2016

That see through his pandering, lying bullshit. See todays primaries....and the ass whooping he takes.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
12. MSM pretending Senator Sanders was not real.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:22 PM
Apr 2016

DNC/DWS manipulations, voter suppression, money stacked up years in advance, super delegates stacked up years in advance -- just for starters, giggle. All legal mind you.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
16. The disgusting attacks on civil rights leaders and others who dare endorse Hillary.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:24 PM
Apr 2016

Definitely not a fan of the Berniebro tactics.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
19. the alert stalking in the African American Group- all the rude assessments of the intellect or
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:26 PM
Apr 2016

motives of southerners, women and blacks. Accusing members who have been here 5-10 years of being trolls.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
47. That ticks most of my boxes too.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:14 PM
Apr 2016

Add the widespread acceptance of RW sources as acceptable if they attack another Dem candidate that you don't like, and the general acceptance of statements of facts without links that has become standard on this site. Was a time in the not so distant past, that would not have been tolerated.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
62. yeah, the hosts here have been bullied to the brink by libertarians who had an active dislike
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:30 PM
Apr 2016

for "censorship" when it came to bigotry and sexism for a long time.
They saw these people as "third Way" Dems and encouraged others to ignore them, creating a much more hostile site to women and POC. It has been like this for a while, but really picked up steam the last six months.

Turin_C3PO

(14,004 posts)
116. I don't think
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:10 PM
Apr 2016

there's that many Bernie Libertarians on this site, at least. His policies ( besides perhaps gun control) go against libertarian in every way imaginable. I'm not saying people weren't bullied, I just doubt they were libertarians. Face it, even liberals can be assholes.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
130. Bernie is a progressive in the true sense. Isn't it normal for you to find that intimidating I guess
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:46 PM
Apr 2016

This is a different election and apparently it makes you uncomfortable that a real progressive should be so successful. Why is that bad? Your post almost makes me think the real problem you have is one of discomfort that your status quo has been disturbed. Is that possible?

The fact that DLC, Rahm, the Clintons have brought a centrist-right movement to the party. Why is it bad to acknowledge it?

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
150. No, I haven't noted that either. Perhaps you're overly sensitive. POC treated like everybody else.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:14 AM
Apr 2016

Again, some people on this blog tend to overreact, categorize, over alert, and a lot of it starts to sound like control and censorship. I think POC are very able to speak up for themselves. I don't they need protecting. I give everyone on this board the privilege of speaking their truth and taking it when others speak their truth. I've seen very little to none of that. But you can take offense to just about anything if you try hard enough.

Just reread and I think you're conflating my comments re your acknowlegement of the reality that the party has moved right with POC and women disparagement. I don't get that at all. They are two entirely different issues.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
151. Well you are ignorant to what has gone on in the AA forum, but I assure you, I am not.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:18 AM
Apr 2016

There is no "overreaction" as you had hoped. The behavior of many here was hateful in harassing members there.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
153. So I disagree so am ignorant. hahaha. Spoken like a true Clinton supporter.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:29 AM
Apr 2016

I don't go into groups. I am uncomforable with exclusive groups. That's where people go to hear what they want to hear. I respect their views but prefer the minefield of honest exchange.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
187. You said more than once you did not know- yet discount what I say. So you admittedly spoke from
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:35 AM
Apr 2016

ignorance and further speculated I was exaggerating the situation. Not exactly an honest exchange, but whatever.

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
155. Women. Hillary Supporters. People of Color. AA.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:32 AM
Apr 2016

All being alert stalked off this board.

Alert staked and hidden. Jury 85% BS. Bogus alerts! BOGUS HIDES! When the ugliest , filthiest posts are allowed to stand. You haven't seen any of that?

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
157. No, I haven't. HRC claims victimhood. Maybe that's prevalent on your side.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:40 AM
Apr 2016

I have not seen it. I think you're a little paranoid. Politics is rarely a walk in the park. People get passionate. The best defense is facts.
I do agree there is much too much censorship on this site. But it's been pretty even-handed as far as I'm concerned.

Actually, I'm going to edit above: I haven't seen many alerts against Clinton supporters at all. I've seen far more against Sanders supporters. You all take offense at everything. Just like in our current conversation. I'm told I'm ignorant because I don't agree. Nobody has to soft-talk me. I've got facts on my side and I can defend myself. That's what good political arguments involve. If you don't have 'em, you get whiny and call yourself a victim. It's logic.

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
159. You have a link to where she claims victim hood?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:52 AM
Apr 2016

Whatever that means.

Wait? What? We are paranoid? Is that your response to a woman, they are paranoid.

You ever read the brick post? I would give you a link, yet I got a hide the last time I did. Direct quote on a filthy comment. They got a leave and I got a hide for quoting them. Lol~

BS Justice. Jury 85% BS....15%HRC. Justice.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
171. No link. I guess her "artful smears" comment early on. Her cheap shots connote the victim but...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:08 AM
Apr 2016

googled and found this one: http://egbertowillies.com/2016/02/03/hillary-clinton-plays-victim-card-again-but-now-on-bernie-sanders-video/

Also, her last town hall with oh-so-sympathetic Maddow when she was railing about Bernie this and Bernie that. I turned it off. He didn't do that. There was no Hillary-this and that. He gave the same answers and the same speech he's given over and over and over. So repetitive but it is what he's running on so he keeps saying the same thing.

Poor Hillary. Perhaps because you support her you just don't see it. I've posted so many times that blind loyalty is what I see on your side. I can defend him on the issues. Sparkly tried asked for a list and boy did she get one but she couldn't accept it. But it was all issues. I've never seen that on the Clinton side. Legacy, her turn, time for a woman, Clinton-love, and more. But where are the issues?

Think about it: she's a hawk -grandmamas, do you want to send your kids to war? She's compromised by big money; she's for or was for fracking, TPP, healthcare, and while she's had some big jobs she hasn't been in Congress or done as much politically as Bernie who quietly got things done as mayor of Burlington and as a member of the House and as a Senator. He just quietly goes about the business of helping people.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
176. How do you know that? I mean that there were many of you?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:13 AM
Apr 2016

And maybe there was a reason... I can tell you I've been alerted on several times and earned a hide a couple times. So how do you know it happened more to a group of you than the rest of us? Really, how do you know that? Again, I read and post a lot. There are so many posters and in all that time and reading all those posts, I've seen few hides. Maybe you know something I don't. So tell me.

Is there a place I can got to see which side has more bans and hides?

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
177. I was hidden twice for posting about Sanders having the person who called Obama niggerized...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:16 AM
Apr 2016

... stump for him in IA and NH

Also the racial obtuseness of Team Used Car Salesmen (Devine and Weaver) and their "southern states" shit that they still push today.

I post in the AA group as an AA and we all can count and know the disproportionate amount of hides and banns we've faced on DU because of being outspoken about Sanders

If I gave you anything empirical I truly doubt it would change anything

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
179. Sorry, I don't know about that person. Can you link?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:27 AM
Apr 2016

Racial obtuseness? What is that? I see, you do post in a group so apparently that group has had a high number persons alerted and banned?

You shouldn't assume anything. See, that's the problem I find with supporters of Clinton. We Bernie-ites want facts and not emotions or assumptions. In fact, you last sentence is rather offensive because it implies that I won't list to reason anyway. But I do. As long as it is reasoned and logical and fact based.

Now, would I be correct in assuming that you didn't or won't read all those words I just posted in my last post?

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
210. Yes a very high number of people have been hidden or banned just for posting links to Sanders votes
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:35 AM
Apr 2016

For instance.

There's no need to assume anything it's just empirical information a high number of African Americans were banned or hidden for post that went cross Sanders message that's a fact that's not in dispute

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
186. The hides are in the groups.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:30 AM
Apr 2016

They stalk the groups. All my hides are in one of three groups. AA, HRC, BOG.

Two for direct quotes. I got the dayum hide and they got a leave,

85% BS 15% HC. Stacked Juries!!!!!!!

Stacked Juries!!!!!!!!!!!!!

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
165. Voted for CFMA, corporate immunity, against Brady Bill and has Tad Devin on his time =! progressive!
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:03 AM
Apr 2016

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
178. You don't do your homework. Check your facts. That's my complaint about HRC people.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:21 AM
Apr 2016

Tad Devine - who cares? HRC was a Goldwater girl - so?

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/34497-the-most-disingenuous-attack-on-bernie-yet



If you watched Sunday's Democratic debate, you learned something interesting about Bernie Sanders: he voted for the Commodities Futures Modernization Act, something Hillary Clinton was all too eager to point out when the two of them got to talking about Wall Street reform.

Sounds pretty bad, right? The guy who goes on and on about how bad Wall Street is actually voted for the bill that crashed economy. So much for all that "political revolution" stuff.

But here's the thing: Hillary Clinton isn't telling a true story about Bernie Sanders and his vote for the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, or CFMA.

As Robert Scheer has pointed out over at Truthdig, then-Congressman Sanders voted for the CFMA, not because he wanted to, but because he had to.

The CFMA had been shoved into an omnibus spending bill at the last minute as part of a deal between Republicans and President Bill Clinton, and because this was a time when, you know, Congress actually did its job, Sanders bit the bullet and voted for the whole package - CFMA included - to keep the government open.


Brady Bill: (from CNN debate)
He answered that question in the (October 2015 CNN) debate. He was for most of the provisions of the Brady Bill, but he felt that it held a potential for abuse that would punish the wrong people.

"For example, do I think that a gun shop in the state of Vermont that sells legally a gun to somebody, and that somebody goes out and does something crazy, that that gun shop owner should be held responsible? I don't."
-from: The CNN Democratic debate transcript, annotated

He was for a bill that distinguished between manufacturers and sellers who KNOWINGLY or NEGLIGENTLY sold weapons to criminals, but not those who accidentally sold weapons that were used in crimes.


So, if you buy a car from Ford and you run into somebody else, is it Ford's responsibility for manufacturing the car you purchased? Should a small car seller be liable for your behavior? You see, you guys either don't do your fact checking or you just get emotional. Which is it?


ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
136. I don't go to the African American group
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:05 PM
Apr 2016

Mainly for the reason that it is the unofficial 2nd Hillary group.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
198. You know because you never go there?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:54 AM
Apr 2016


If you actually read the posts, you would know that many there did not support Clinton.

AirmensMom

(14,643 posts)
48. +1000
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:00 PM
Apr 2016

Over the years, I have briefly had one or two people on ignore. Now I am ignoring people I used to like and admire, and the list is very long. Good thing my real DU friends are actually friends in real life.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
63. When the election goes to GE footing I'll clear my list.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:42 AM
Apr 2016

Hopefully by then the ones on it who are still here on DU will be working toward the site's election season mission, and it'll be a nice reunion.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
192. The people I have mostly agreed with over the years I still agree with
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:54 AM
Apr 2016

The only person I actually used to like who I don't like any more agreed with me completely about Hillary in 2008 and now disagrees equally completely while I haven't changed my opinion at all.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5314138

Although an Obama supporter from the beginning, I never lost any sleep over the idea that Hillary might emerge as the nominee. She was not my personal choice, but she was still an excellent choice – for all of the reasons above, and then some – and I never ignored an opportunity to say so.

That was then – and, unfortunately, this is now. And the now that we find ourselves in, as a party, is less than pretty.

When I heard Hillary’s comment that she and John McCain brought the necessary experience and expertise to the table, while her fellow Democrat, Barack Obama, was to be dismissed as nothing more than a speech, I was truly astounded. This was not the Hillary of sense and sensibility, but the Hillary of pride and prejudice, a woman who would stop at nothing to achieve her goal, with an immediate and vicious bias against anyone who had the audacity to try and stand in her way.

This code of conduct has not subsided, but instead has persisted and become more blatantly apparent with every passing day. It is the same “you’re with us or against us” mentality that has divided a nation for more than seven years; it is the same rhetoric that screams of entitlement and arrogance, rather than a sense of accepting the will of the people who have spoken, and continue to speak, about something more important than the ego of one politician with their eye focused on nothing else but the prize.


 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
204. The fact that the Clinton campaign never addressed this issue.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:26 AM
Apr 2016

They never acknowledged that there was a problem, something that has been documented around the country.

grntuscarora

(1,249 posts)
29. The smug, entitled, arrogant posts of the HRC cheerleaders.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:32 PM
Apr 2016

Dear god, they drive me from their candidate with every pompous, ill-conceived post they make.
I know I might feel the need to vote for her in November, but do they have to make me ill over the very possibility?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
34. Do you feel that any of Bernie's supporters have been smug, entitled, or arrogant?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:36 PM
Apr 2016

Or do you feel that only Hillary supporters have acted that way?

grntuscarora

(1,249 posts)
42. Hillary supporters.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:48 PM
Apr 2016

With a few occasional asshat Bernie folk. But mainly Hillary cheerleaders. I have no doubt you see it differently.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
44. I have seen some of that on both sides
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:49 PM
Apr 2016

My observation is that kind of behavior has unfortunately been present among supporters of both candidates.

grntuscarora

(1,249 posts)
46. Perhaps, yes.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:07 PM
Apr 2016

But those that have been fighting the uphill battle against the ptb may be more easily excused, imo. And I could brush off the HRC cheerleaders if I had any feeling at all that HRC herself was listening to the points that so many of us are trying to make about the priorities and direction of the Party. But she has given no indication of shifting or changing her stances at all, and she and her cheerleaders simply sneer at our points. Unless I believe she is seriously shifting to the left, I (and my entire family, and most of my friends) will not be there for her in November.
She and her cheering squad might want to consider that. Or not, their choice.

xloadiex

(628 posts)
30. Thinking that Hillary and especially Bill
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:33 PM
Apr 2016

may be back in the White House. You can't get any lower than the idea of that happening.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
32. Bernie supporters referring to mostly African-American voters as representing "Confederate states"
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:35 PM
Apr 2016

I like Bernie a lot but the way that his people dismissed the results in the South was pretty bad.

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
137. Just Bernie Supporters? The South does have a reputation.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:10 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/05/upshot/demise-of-the-southern-democrat-is-now-nearly-compete.html?_r=0
The timing of the demise of the Southern Democrat is not coincidental. It reflects a complete cycle of generational replacement in the post-Jim Crow era. Old loyalties to the Democratic Party have died along with the generation of white Southerners who came of age during the era of the Solid South, before Brown v. Board of Education, before the Civil Rights Act.

Yet it also reflects the very specific conditions of 2014. Today’s national Democratic Party is as unpopular in the South today as it has ever been, in no small part because the party has embraced a more secular agenda that is not popular in the region.

“It’s a completely different party than it was 20 or 30 years ago,” said Merle Black, a professor of political science at Emory University. “When the Democratic Party and its candidates become more liberal on culture and religion, that’s not a party that’s advocating what these whites value or think.”

The party is also led by an unpopular president who has never appealed to the region’s white voters. President Obama won about 17 percent of white voters across the Deep South and Texas in 2012, based on an analysis of pre-election polls conducted by the Pew Research Center, census data and election results.


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/overdue-death-of-the-southern-democrats.html
The Long, Overdue Death of the Southern Democrats

Dates Weddings Real Estate Doctors NYC Tourist Guide Best of New York Issue Deals
Daily Intelligencer
the national interest
December 9, 2014 8:51 a.m.
The Long, Overdue Death of the Southern Democrats
By Jonathan Chait

Mary Landrieu’s defeat last weekend marked a final, anticlimactic end to an epoch in American politics. After Landrieu’s defeat, Republicans now control every state legislature and governorship in the Deep South. The only states anywhere in the former Confederacy where Democrats hold a governorship or a Senate seat are Virginia and Florida — both of which, as Nate Cohn points out, have a majority of residents born outside those states. Democrats had pinned their hopes on a series of scions — Mark Pryor, Mary Landrieu, Michelle Nunn, Jason Carter — whose fathers had won in an era when Democrats carried those states, in the hopes of summoning their expired familial loyalties.

It is possible to view the decline of southern Democrats as a tragedy born of error. Kevin Baker, writing in the New York Times last month, lamented the Democrats’ loss of their ancestral heartland as the product of a misguided abandonment of economic populism. The real anomaly is that the Democrats managed to hold out in the Deep South so very, very long.

Barack Obama ran for presidency hoping to transcend old divisions, but his presidency has ironically lent renewed vigor to the most ancient division in American politics. The tea party, which presents itself as the heirs to the Founding Fathers, is actually an heir to one side of the American argument. One tradition bore intense suspicion of centralized government, venerated farmers and rural life, believed the Constitution forbade Congress from all but a handful of specifically enumerated fields of activity, felt comfortable with aggression and violence in both domestic life and foreign affairs, and defended existing social institutions against racial minorities and their allies. This political coalition has always had its strongest base in the Deep South. It is right-wing.

The other tradition advocated a stronger federal government (and deemed this expanded role Constitutional), considered public investment and education the best method of securing prosperity, was more averse to territorial conflict with neighbors, and was more solicitous of racial minorities. This coalition has always had its strongest base in New England. It is left-wing.


I know, I know wikipedia, eww. This isn't a formal paper though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition
The Blue Dog Coalition, commonly known as the Blue Dogs or Blue Dog Democrats, is a caucus of United States Congressional Representatives from the Democratic Party who identify themselves as conservative Democrats.

Founding members were Glen Browder and Bud Cramer of Alabama; Blanche Lambert Lincoln of Arkansas; Gary Condit of California; Nathan Deal of Georgia; William Lipinski of Illinois; Scotty Baesler of Kentucky; Billy Tauzin and Jimmy Hayes of Louisiana; Collin Peterson and David Minge of Minnesota; Michael Parker and Gene Taylor of Mississippi; Pat Danner of Missouri; William K. Brewster of Oklahoma; John S. Tanner of Tennessee; Ralph Hall, Charles Stenholm, Pete Geren and Greg Laughlin of Texas, Bill Orton of Utah; and Lewis F. Payne, Jr. and Owen Pickett of Virginia. Condit and Deal were co-chairmen. Browder headed the group's budget task force.[9]

The term "Blue Dog Democrat" is credited to Texas Democratic Rep. Pete Geren (who later joined the Bush Administration). Geren opined that the members had been "choked blue" by Democrats on the Left.[10] It is related to the political term "Yellow Dog Democrat," a reference to southern Democrats said to be so loyal they would even vote for a yellow dog if it were labeled Democrat. The term is also a reference to the "Blue Dog" paintings of Cajun artist George Rodrigue of Lafayette, Louisiana, as the original members of the coalition would regularly meet in the offices of Louisiana representatives Billy Tauzin and Jimmy Hayes, both of whom later joined the Republican Party; both had Rodrigue's paintings on their walls.[11][12] An additional explanation for the term cited by members is "when dogs are not let into the house, they stay outside in the cold and turn blue," a reference to the Blue Dogs' belief they had been left out of a party that they believed had shifted to the political left.[13]

Although its membership is not exclusively Southern, some[14][15] view the Blue Dogs as the political successors to a now defunct-in-name Southern Democratic group known as the Boll Weevils, who played a critical role in the early 1980s by supporting President Ronald Reagan's tax cut plan. The Boll Weevils, in turn, may be considered the descendants of the Dixiecrats and the "states' rights" Democrats of the 1940s through the 1960s, and even the Bourbon Democrats of the late 19th century.[16]


I live in Texas, I know the big picture view isn't a fair one. The articles I selected largely avoid talking about Southern Black Democrats, but due to election fraud they don't have as much power as they should(something our Democratic leaders rarely address). It however isn't without some justification about Christian, White Southern Democrats. Bill Clinton and James Carville believed the key to holding elected office in the South and gaining more Democratic wins across the country was to be more conservative. Talk like a conservative, even if you don't intend to be one. It's why they hate the left so much, it ruins the con.

However, if you're going to pretend to be a conservative(I'm not sure if any of them were pretending) you have to vote like it once in a while. When we... say badly needed cloture vote in the Senate and didn't get it, baring an occasional conserva-Dem from elsewhere, it was most likely a Southern Democrat who effed us.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
182. Thanks for posting. A difficult subject. Obama campaigned for Lincoln when a very good real dem was
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:37 AM
Apr 2016

available - can't remember name but he was highly respected Lt. Gov. of the state. I never understood that. I guess friendship and colleagues trump campaigns and real choice now.

The South is hard to talk about without sounding personal - esp. when referring to the black vote which I note you do not attempt. They had quite a presence in 2016 primaries.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
33. the inability of the democratic party to act like a party
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:36 PM
Apr 2016

with each side claiming the others are enemies

on DU? the utter failure of the jury system

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
39. Hasn't happened for me yet.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:47 PM
Apr 2016

Just when I think the Clintons and Cronies have gotten as lowlife, corrupt, and sleazy as they can, they prove me wrong by climbing to new lows.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
43. The confirmation that some democrats refuse to embrace progressive policies.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:49 PM
Apr 2016

Especially among some here that are more politically aware than your average voter.

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
134. Yes. And also, for me, learning the depth of corruption and seeing that it hasn't been important to
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:57 PM
Apr 2016

a wider swath of voters. Partially due to MSM's abysmal failure to really cover it, but on this board, where people have the info, it's remarkably dismissed as unimportant. "Democratic values" used to mean something.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
54. O'Malley not getting any traction at all.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:15 PM
Apr 2016

Other than that and the lack of choices I think it has been an outstanding primaries.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
122. I can actually quite agree with this.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:24 PM
Apr 2016

I considered O'Malley a great counter-point and he tends to make the other candidates honest, as he was able to correct the record in the debates that he was actually involved in.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
57. There have been too many to count... The painting of a good man as racist, sexist, anti-LGBT
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:20 PM
Apr 2016

etc... and in turn, labeling his supporters as such even if we possess uteruses.

This is where Hillary, and her supporters, lost me for good... outside of her anti-woman stances on abortion and her pro-war voting record.

actslikeacarrot

(464 posts)
59. The realization that a majority of my fellow Dems...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:23 PM
Apr 2016

... Either don't care about war or actually support it. Hillary is a hawk, there is NO denying it.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
61. When the field winnowed down to our two worst candidates
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:27 PM
Apr 2016

Seriously, it's like we picked two candidates that were specifically designed to not be able to keep our coalition together.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
194. Schweitzer, had he run
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:58 AM
Apr 2016

O'Malley was the best of the ones that ran, but I dislike how shallow our bench was to begin with; there was no need for that.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
64. Oof, that's a hard question.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:44 AM
Apr 2016

It's hard to choose between the racism and the sexism of some Bernie supporters. I'm going to go with the racism, but it's a close race. Saw a post yesterday saying black voters are hoping, by voting for Hillary, to be brought into the house from the fields. That's...really quite something.

ContinentalOp

(5,356 posts)
65. That we let the party get hijacked by an unelectable outsider
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:49 AM
Apr 2016

who provided cover to attack the nominee from the "left" using tired right wing smears.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
81. Sorry, but this post is just ridiculous.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:05 PM
Apr 2016

Do you really believe this? I can't imagine that you do, because it is such a preposterous and frankly stupid thing to suggest. Therefore the more correct interpretation is that you are slinging mud to insult people and to try and make yourself feel better for supporting a neoliberal corporate puppet.

/ignore list.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
90. Worst: realization so few people value democracy.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:20 PM
Apr 2016

And another generation of poor and minority kids committed to more war. Congrats, Clintonites.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
70. This is a tough one ...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:05 AM
Apr 2016
My first inclination was to pick Bernie seeking a tacit endorsement from the Pope and potentially setting a precedent where this wealthy and powerful institution and foreign nation is now seen, like Bob Jones University and Liberty University as a place to go to get that stamp of approval, but then I realized that it clearly didn't have the effect he was going for. It may the the reason I finally signed up for DU, but it seems like it's now going to be just a footnote in the election due to how embarrassingly it all played out.

My second inclination was to go with WillyH and his Stockholm Syndrome post since it showed that Trump hasn't just moved the needle of racism, he's moved the entire spectrum and made racism as acceptable in Democratic circles as they are in Ring Wing land.

My third inclination was to go with the sudden accusation that everyone on here is a paid troll, but then I realized that that's too specific to this website and DU certainly isn't the entire political world, and that sorta nullifies a big part of my second inclination as well.

So, I finally came down to what the lowest, most irritating, most pointless aspect of this entire primary has been ...

That fucking bird.

I never wanna see that bird again after this election season is over.

ContinentalOp

(5,356 posts)
71. One thing that has really bummed me out
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:16 AM
Apr 2016

Is seeing terms like "identity politics" and "race card" or "gender card" being used as insults by supposed progressives at DU.

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
74. when it became obvious to me that the whole primary process was rigged by the Democratic™ party
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:27 AM
Apr 2016

and that the outcome was predetermined. I didn't know until then that just because you say you are a Democrat™, that doesn't necessarily mean you are a democrat.

astrophuss42

(290 posts)
76. I concur with this
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:56 AM
Apr 2016

Just realizing that my preferred candidate started 1/5th of the way behind was a good start I guess, but looking at it thru the perspective of history and noticing that this is how it goes was pretty darn depressing.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
83. When the DNC imposed stifling restrictions on debates
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:09 PM
Apr 2016

by limiting their number, scheduling them during competing events, and threatening sanctions for engaging in 'unauthorized' debates, it was clear that the Party was colluding with the Clinton campaign. That's not how it's supposed to work - the people pick the candidates, not the Party bosses.

By its behavior the Democratic Party has shown itself to be thoroughly corrupt and not worth saving.

Autumn

(45,107 posts)
91. My thoughts? It was a good hide. How do you know it was 3 Bernie supporters?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:29 PM
Apr 2016

You don't, but damn if you didn't just prove my point about using racism against Bernie supporters and call Bernie supporters racist in your post when you have no fucking clue who voted what on that hidden post .

auntpurl
79. What do you think of this post?
View profile
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1834856

Hidden by a jury...4-3. So at least 3 Bernie supporters thought it was a-ok.

Your thoughts?

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
93. So you think it was Hillary supporters?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:32 PM
Apr 2016

I seriously doubt that. The post was anti-Hillary. Do you think there are loads of DU posters running around who are anti-Hillary but not pro-Bernie?

Autumn

(45,107 posts)
99. Do you think there are only Bernie and Hillary supporters here and this place is troll free?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:44 PM
Apr 2016
How precious is that Serve one term on MIRT. Thanks for proving my point, because you automatically decided to play the Bernie bro racist card against three anonymous jurors when you have no fucking clue who they were. I think we are done with this discussion.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
102. Okey doke.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:46 PM
Apr 2016

It would be very nice to believe that all the racist posts I've read from ostensible Bernie supporters were actually made by trolls. It would make me feel a lot better about DU and Bernie's campaign. But there were a lot of them (that one was from yesterday, so it was uppermost in my mind) and the percentages are against you.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.

Autumn

(45,107 posts)
104. Looks like you have all the right Hillary supporters on ignore if you think that it's only Bernie
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:50 PM
Apr 2016

supporters who post racist rants and play the jury game. I sleep fine at night, thanks for your concern and thanks for proving my point.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
106. There are definitely jerks on both sides.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:52 PM
Apr 2016

And jury rigging on both sides.

But no, I haven't seen any Hillary supporters posting racist rants. I suppose even the jerks on Hillary's side realise that POC are voting for her, so why would they?

I don't have anyone on ignore except for one Bernie supporter who continued to use rape rhetoric even after I told him it was upsetting and made me uncomfortable.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
118. I'm sure there are trolls on both sides, yes.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:15 PM
Apr 2016

But there were really a shockingly high number of racist posts this primary season, all of the ones I saw anti-Hillary (and ostensibly pro-Bernie). I'd find it hard to believe they were ALL trolls.

Turin_C3PO

(14,004 posts)
119. Probably not.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:18 PM
Apr 2016

But I'd like to think (not that this is an excuse) that maybe some Bernie supporters just got frustrated in the heat of the moment and regret what they said. Of course there are genuine racists and sexists that are pulling for him, but I think many of those are libertarians (who aren't on this site, imo) who just want an outsider. I'm not sure about Hillary supporters this time around but I do know in 2008 she had a fair amount of racist supporters.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
170. "when you talk about ghettos traditionally, what you talk about is African-American communities. "
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:06 AM
Apr 2016

Autumn

(45,107 posts)
200. Ghettos are not exclusive to African-American communities
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:09 AM
Apr 2016

When all you have is a hammer everything is a nail.


https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005059
During the Holocaust, the creation of ghettos was a key step in the Nazi process of separating, persecuting, and ultimately destroying Europe's Jews.

KEY FACTS

Ghettos were set up to segregate Jews from the rest of the population.

They were designed to be temporary; some lasted only a few days or weeks, others for several years.


uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
207. Looking at the context of the question everyone knew what he was talking about no amount of excuses
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:30 AM
Apr 2016

... can reverse that

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
80. BernieBros threatening to rape my daughter
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:04 PM
Apr 2016

Yeah, that happened.

My daughter works for, and tweets for, a prominent organization that endorsed Clinton. The week of the endorsement (which has nothing to do with her job), two different Bernie supporters took to Twitter and suggested raping her.

This is why, as a Bernie supporter, I've never pushed back against the BernieBro label. It's by no means all of us, but those ass clowns are out there. As a progessive -- and a father -- they sicken me.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
86. They're like the Black Bloc that show up at street protests here in Portland.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:12 PM
Apr 2016

They are assholes and opportunists that attach themselves to movements in order to give themselves an excuse to act out. They have little or no interest in the objectives of the movement.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
84. When sanders said Hillary wasn't qualified....
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:10 PM
Apr 2016

All fair in love...war...politics but that really diminished sanders for many of us..

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
87. Aw, c'mon. Feel so bad...poor Clintonites . . . even though HRC surrogates said it first.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:13 PM
Apr 2016

I'm so sorry for you all. Boo-hoo-hoo-hoo.

nemo137

(3,297 posts)
88. "All of them, Charlie."
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:20 PM
Apr 2016

I think the naked messianism in both camps has been the most depressing. I've said, verbatim, that I'd crawl over broken glass to vote for either of them, and do it with a light heart, but my god, neither of them are going to fix any of the actual shit wrong with the country. I think keeping that in mind and viewing them as politicians representing different constituencies and approaches within the broad left-liberal coalition in this country would have made for a healthier GD: P, but primaries make everything on the internet stupid (as we say in 2004 and 2008 as well).

Thus much for today's grump-rant.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
98. Attacking civil rights icons...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:41 PM
Apr 2016

Dismissing the base voters of the democratic party with "Deep South", "Confederate states" "Stockholm Syndrome" comments.

Trying to turn union workers against their democratically elected leadership and using republican terms such as "corrupt union bosses" for those that dared to endorse Hillary.

The surrogates...Susan Sarandon, Dr. Paul Song, Rosario Dawson, Tim Robbins. A pack of idiots that cost Bernie hundreds of thousands of votes or more, possibly millions!

Insane media fans and websites: HA Goodman..Huff Post, Salon, TYT, Debbie the (In)Sane Progressive...Youtube, trolls and stealth republicans, libertarians and green party shit stirrers...Democratic Underground, Daily KOS, reddit, MoveOn etc.

Excoriating super delegates as undemocratic corporate whores and warning them not to interfere with the will of the people.

Until the Sanders campaign needs them to win, then...180...we will try to flip those corporate whores to our side and the will of the people be damned!

Bernie's Italian adventure: The Pope fiasco.

 

jack_krass

(1,009 posts)
101. "not good enough, Bernie"
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:45 PM
Apr 2016

This piece of bottom feeding filth (link below) exemplifies the length that Hillary sycophants will go to get their pantsuit hero elected.

This what spurred be to finally join DU (I've been a longtime lurker)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026737025

polly7

(20,582 posts)
103. Seeing that so many support perpetual war, empire and profit over human lives,
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:48 PM
Apr 2016

cluster bombing small children, enabling weapons to the world's worst human rights abusers to commit war-crimes with, environmental disaster, coups against sovereign nations resulting in horror for millions ....... and on and on and on. All while claiming to be progressive and not giving one single fuck how many of these billions used to destroy life for others could be saving lives in their own country. It's been an eye-opener, that's for sure. Quite a change even here.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
209. Yes Polly, I agree.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:33 AM
Apr 2016

The killing without conscience is the worst. Our citizens have lost their souls.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
121. The fixing that has gone on from the state to the actual election.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:22 PM
Apr 2016

This time I was more involved than since 76 and I had not realized the extent to which we have lost our democracy - from the lack of coverage by the MSM - the onesided DNC - the lack of concern about voting problems and finally the fact that my vote has no meaning considering that my state sold me out before there was even a debate - let alone a vote and then to realize how much the super-delegates can just take an election and throw it to their candidate as if they somehow know better than we do.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
125. Master-Slave relationship and Stockholm Syndrome.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:26 PM
Apr 2016

Master-Slave relationship and Stockholm Syndrome. POC being low-information voters is a close tie as well.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,733 posts)
127. Clinton's candidacy.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:28 PM
Apr 2016

But that's just being flip. As to specific things I'd say it's the heavy thumb of DWS on the DNC's scale.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
142. "Count the brown people"
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:32 PM
Apr 2016

It began the day Sanders announced, and it was used to plant the seeds of Bernie's "racial problem" (always put in vague tones with ever shifting conditions he should meet but seemingly never did no matter how he tried to accommodate those demands).

It never ended. The strategy from Day One - alienate Sanders from racial minorities through smear, innuendo, and implication.

It worked. By the time the primaries began, Hillary Clinton should've just gone full Kanye with "Bernie Sanders doesn't care about black people." Even though she was a guiding force and voice for a perspective on crime and welfare that devastated millions of minorities' lives and plenty of poor whites as well).

This dividing tactic was even tried in the LGBT community, but fortunately, we weren't having that shit. The LGBT community remained fairly evenly divided, and when people tried, "Bernie is against gay marriage!" a lot of my brothers and sisters laughed in those shameless partisan lackeys' faces.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
149. balls out racism from racists
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:15 PM
Apr 2016

they have no compunctions, morals or ethics.
this is what we got from them.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
172. ..and that notion was confirmed by polling, it was obvious for all to see after he had Cornell West
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:09 AM
Apr 2016

..., a person who called Obama niggerized, stump for him in from of mostly white IA and NH and then vamoose in the "southern states"

Yeah, a lot of the Count the brown people started with Sanders 2014 interview when he claimed racism was over and that social issues weren't that important...

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
152. The media promoting donald trump. It was not funny, but the media hyped that idiot!
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:23 AM
Apr 2016

Lo and behold, some americans sided with him! Never I have seen so much idiocy in the World's greatest nation. An asshole who claims he will build a wall and the Mexican government will have to pay for it. That clown car should have left the apprentice a long time ago, but the idiot is gaining ground. What does it say about some Americans?

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
184. The ascendancy of Trump means that the Repuke field
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:10 AM
Apr 2016

was incredibly weak from the get-go. it also means Republican voters are so fed up with the status quo they are willing to give the keys to the White House to a brash egotistical real estate developer/reality tv show personality who has never held elective office and who knows nothing about the inner workings of the US government.

Sad that we're scraping the bottom of the barrel with Trump, but sadder still that he has a good shot at winning.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
158. How bad our fellow dems are with their cavalier views of voters.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:43 AM
Apr 2016

Several people have talked about how only the mature and their friends should be able to vote. They have been fine with the win by any legal means necessary, and they have said some of the most racist and sexist stuff about the group that BLM targeted first because our group was the most likely to take up their massage for them.

...oh and of giving Hillary for the racist things she did against Obama last election. I have yet to hear a good excuse for the stuff she did before.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
160. The primary isn't over. I have confidence no matter what the low point is now...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:58 AM
Apr 2016

That the Red Queen and MSM can dig even deeper.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
174. Please keep calm! You do not want to get exiled!
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:10 AM
Apr 2016

I feel that some people on here post things that make you angry but you have to contain yourself and not get sucked in. That is what they are looking for. Thank goodness the jury people make wise decisions.

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
180. Coming back to DU after a couple year layoff
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:30 AM
Apr 2016

And seeing the complete wreckage of what once was.

This place has about as much import in my current life as the cable news channels.

That would be none.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
212. Sanders appearing to let up before all primaries are completed...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016

...or is it the media making it look like Sanders is closing up shop? Who knows. I remember the NY primary and Hill and Bill voted on home turf and obviously spent time in their home over that period. When Bernie went to his house for the night after the primary, everyone said he was going home to decide the future of his campaign. I love the contrast. Each time this happens the momentum shifts.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
191. Yes, I also have less respect for Paul Krugman.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:46 AM
Apr 2016

And Dave Weigel and John Arovosis and Joshua Micah Marshall and Larry David.

I still have some respect for them, but less than I did a year ago.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
188. Hillary Clinton calling Sanders a single-issue candidate
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:38 AM
Apr 2016

...implying that his millions of supporters just want to break up Big Banks.

People who support Bernie Sanders for any or all these issues were belittled by her remark:

Free tuition
Single payer
$15 min wage
Raising the Social Security cap
Passing a carbon tax
Banning fracking
Ending mandatory minimums and the death penalty
A more peaceful foreign policy



aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
197. With regard to DU, the letter to our friend in Alaska.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:55 AM
Apr 2016

I suppose it was a low point of something much bigger involving people of color (especially African Americans) and white liberal males such as myself.

There is still a lot that I need to understand and accept.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
201. My cursing out other DUers. My being nasty to others here and my bad behavior.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:11 AM
Apr 2016

I can say so many things but the right answer is my bad behavior.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
202. That Clinton supporters just don't care that while she was SOS..
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:24 AM
Apr 2016

...there is clear evidence that donations were made to her foundation at the same time she was negotiating guns and war tools to those same doners. That she went against President Obama's orders to not work with certain individuals while SOS. This resulted in her foundation hiring the individual and working with her. Hence the email server issue. These are big deals to me. She appears to have disregard for the laws that the rest of us would be sent to her private prisons for breaking! That being said, maybe someone could help me understand this.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
203. The systematic use of racial politics by the Clintons and their lackeys.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:26 AM
Apr 2016

They effectively destroyed Bernie's history of leadership and activism on racial justice issues. While Hillary was still "evolving", Bernie was acting.

They actually denied he did anything. After that was totally debunked mocked his efforts.

And Hillary, who with Bill, did much to set back racial justice, walked away with the minority vote. Their cynical strategy worked.

 

TumbleAndJumble

(24 posts)
206. To me this Democratic 2016 Presidential campaign began with the low that the choice had been made
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:27 AM
Apr 2016

for us by the DNC and that we were never offered a choice about the candidate by the Democratic Party.

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