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Is gay marriage jeopardized by a Clinton presidency? (Original Post) reddread Apr 2016 OP
Stirring the mud. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #1
Uh, no. Garrett78 Apr 2016 #2
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #3
victim victims do too. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #8
Imagine if you spent all this time building your candidate up... JaneyVee Apr 2016 #4
is nothing sacred? reddread Apr 2016 #44
Watching the BS cheerleaders ... it's just getting downright embarrassing n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #5
No. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #6
Where did you find information to make this conclusion? Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #7
His/Her ass ronnykmarshall Apr 2016 #30
Ridiculous statements sometimes needs to be revisited, especially without lack of proof. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #35
No (nt) bigwillq Apr 2016 #9
Tough night last night nt. Trenzalore Apr 2016 #10
Why don't you ask someone totally invested in that question... revmclaren Apr 2016 #11
We all remember middle school. Right? underthematrix Apr 2016 #12
Uh, no. Reaching pretty far there. MineralMan Apr 2016 #13
1664 to 1371... SidDithers Apr 2016 #14
No,but children probably are, sufrommich Apr 2016 #15
I have two expensive grand daughters that I will pitch in for snacks! leftofcool Apr 2016 #17
Lol.nt sufrommich Apr 2016 #18
LOL!!!! nt nolawarlock Apr 2016 #59
I'd say it's a possibility. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #16
See my response #11 revmclaren Apr 2016 #20
No. DURHAM D Apr 2016 #25
Ah, the trifecta of cliches! NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #32
If I remember the figure correctly okasha Apr 2016 #39
Ssshhhhh! NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #41
Obviously, there was no line item for evaluation/quality control. okasha Apr 2016 #69
I don't trust her with any liberal cause. Unicorn Apr 2016 #19
About late term abortions... DURHAM D Apr 2016 #27
Women and only Women runaway hero Apr 2016 #56
Wecome to ignore, with your neocon extreme applications of that. Unicorn Apr 2016 #70
Proof you don't know a damn thing DURHAM D Apr 2016 #73
I think pretty much anything is on the table. n/t winter is coming Apr 2016 #21
Whenever I see that username and that image of Lou Reed, I expect a certain kind of post Tarc Apr 2016 #22
Yep angrychair Apr 2016 #47
Protip; it's not 2000 or 2007 Tarc Apr 2016 #52
No, no goal post moving angrychair Apr 2016 #55
Rea-ding com-pre-hen-shion Tarc Apr 2016 #58
Wow angrychair Apr 2016 #68
No. redwitch Apr 2016 #23
What a silly question. nt. Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #24
Please....you are kidding right? redstatebluegirl Apr 2016 #26
Uh, no. ronnykmarshall Apr 2016 #28
given her bad coattails and conservative instincts it's in much worse condition than under Sanders MisterP Apr 2016 #29
Right because my favorite justice of all time was appointed by Clinton...oh a Scalia is Trumps fav. Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #34
David Brock reddread Apr 2016 #43
If conservatives get enough states to hold a constitutional convention, start worrying Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 #31
This friggin' court ruled that gay marriage was a right! treestar Apr 2016 #38
You would be wrong Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #33
No mcar Apr 2016 #36
The Supreme Court rules on it treestar Apr 2016 #37
You guys have really gone off the rails. Her court appointees would guarantee gay marriage rights Zynx Apr 2016 #40
Don’t Worry, [Try to] Be Happy CobaltBlue Apr 2016 #42
Wow. The stupid is strong with this one. onenote Apr 2016 #45
a "Sacred Bond" from a participant in "the Family"? reddread Apr 2016 #46
Here you go onenote Apr 2016 #48
you forgive David Brock? reddread Apr 2016 #49
I see you don't understand my question. I'll try again, but will type more slowly. onenote Apr 2016 #50
with more justices along the lines of Clarence Thomas reddread Apr 2016 #51
So now I'll repeat my second question. onenote Apr 2016 #53
she is a civil rights legend. reddread Apr 2016 #54
This is fun. We haven't a five year old in the house for years. onenote Apr 2016 #57
Is this for real? nolawarlock Apr 2016 #60
. JTFrog Apr 2016 #61
Haven't you noticed the avatar du jour among Hillary supporters is now the marriage equality symbol azurnoir Apr 2016 #62
I think back to Hillary's rush to reddread Apr 2016 #63
one of her largest long time backers recently gave !00k to defeat a Dem AA woman rep in MD azurnoir Apr 2016 #65
Hillary Clinton respects the public's opinion. athena Apr 2016 #64
did anyone switch their view after she did? reddread Apr 2016 #66
Did you bother to read my post and the link? athena Apr 2016 #67
An anti-Hillary thread on DU with only 3 recs? Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #71
I guess even the haters have standards. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #72

Response to reddread (Original post)

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
4. Imagine if you spent all this time building your candidate up...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:23 PM
Apr 2016

Instead of trying to tear Hillary down. Now u haz a sad.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
16. I'd say it's a possibility.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:32 PM
Apr 2016

She's already said she'd compromise on abortion. The problem is she doesn't have a moral compass, she has a weathervane. Every position is based on immediate political expediency. For example, if the Republicans pushed through a bill banning gay marriage, put it on President Clintons desk, and told her they'd back off on impeachment if she signed it...would she? In a heartbeat.

revmclaren

(2,523 posts)
20. See my response #11
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:35 PM
Apr 2016

True Democrats like George Takei are supporting her.

Have a wonderful day and week.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
32. Ah, the trifecta of cliches!
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:14 PM
Apr 2016

She'd "compromise on abortion", "doesn't have a moral compass", "weathervane" - and then there's the bonus bullshit about "impeachment".

Well done - if you're into that sort of crap.

 

Unicorn

(424 posts)
19. I don't trust her with any liberal cause.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:35 PM
Apr 2016

After she stated she was willing to look at stopping late term abortions, I don't even trust her with abortion now.

I do not trust her to nominate progressives or even liberals to the Supreme court - because she backtracked on abortion rights and she came to the table decades late on other liberal issues she should have been for from the start - including civils and gay rights. I expect her to not want to legalize marijuana and to lock up more people to enrich private prisons who still have one of their lobbyists in her campaign and did donate to her super pac until she was exposed for it and gave their money back 6 months ago.

That she saw MLK speak as a teen then joined the Goldwater movement in college tells me it all about her.
How the hell does someone see MLK speak and then join the movement against civil rights? I will never be okay with that. And that information comes straight from her biography. I don't trust her for a second with blacks, other minorities, or anyone's rights except stanch white fundy Christians. Let's not forget she goes to a fundy right wing church.

When she was a senator and she kept voting with the Republicans she kept giving us liberals a very cold shoulder. I fully expect that will happen when she gets elected. She is going to be a very dangerous war president. I expect we will be at war with Iran within a year of her being elected, if not sooner. We'll be watching Hillary trying to sell her war to congress like Bush did with Iraq.

When we criticize her for war and death she's going to play the female card.

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
27. About late term abortions...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:05 PM
Apr 2016

Do you think a woman/couple should be allowed to have a late term abortion at 9 months to harvest body parts to sell for profit?

 

Unicorn

(424 posts)
70. Wecome to ignore, with your neocon extreme applications of that.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:13 PM
Apr 2016

That's exactly what I've come to expect from Hillary voters.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
22. Whenever I see that username and that image of Lou Reed, I expect a certain kind of post
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:56 PM
Apr 2016

Devoid of depth, a simple one-liner question or observation.

Hillary Clinton is solidly on the side of LGBTQ rights. No question.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
47. Yep
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:29 PM
Apr 2016

Soundly for marriage equality, right in time with the USSC hearing of oral arguments of legalization of gay marriage.

PolitiFact ruling: FULL FLOP

So, did she support it in 2000? Nope.
January 2000: At a news conference in White Plains, Clinton said, "Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time, and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been, between a man and a woman. But I also believe that people in committed gay marriages, as they believe them to be, should be given rights under the law that recognize and respect their relationship."

Well, in 2007, she must have evolved by then. Nope.
May 2007: In a questionnaire for the Human Rights Campaign in 2007, Clinton backed away from the Defense of Marriage Act:

"I support repealing the provision of DOMA that may prohibit the federal government from providing benefits to people in states that recognize same-sex marriage."

In response to a question about whether marriage should be made legally available to two committed adults of the same sex, Clinton marked that she was "opposed" though she stated she supported civil unions.

"Clinton opposed same-sex marriage as a candidate for the Senate, while in office as a senator, and while running for president in 2008".

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
52. Protip; it's not 2000 or 2007
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:39 PM
Apr 2016

Unlike Bernie, who probably still owns socks bought in 1971, most people evolve and change over time.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
55. No, no goal post moving
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:44 PM
Apr 2016

My post was in response to the point she has always supported LGBTQ rights and by implication, gay marriage.

That is unambiguously false. Advocating for "civil unions, separate but equal" is the opposite of being a leader in LGBTQ rights.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
58. Rea-ding com-pre-hen-shion
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:59 PM
Apr 2016
Hillary Clinton is solidly on the side of LGBTQ rights.


The word "all" did not appear in that sentence.


Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
34. Right because my favorite justice of all time was appointed by Clinton...oh a Scalia is Trumps fav.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:23 PM
Apr 2016

Bill Clinton appointed Ruth Bader Ginsberg.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
31. If conservatives get enough states to hold a constitutional convention, start worrying
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:13 PM
Apr 2016

I see no sign this court will change the status quo, and I don't see HRC nominating anyone too conservative. Bill put RBG and Breyer on the court.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
38. This friggin' court ruled that gay marriage was a right!
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:26 PM
Apr 2016

Our system is not so terrible as it is made out to be.

That was a major change and forced states like Kentucky to accept it. Thus the whole Kim Davis debacle.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
37. The Supreme Court rules on it
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:25 PM
Apr 2016

a subsequent President cannot change it all by themselves. Congress cannot change that now that the SCOTUS has ruled.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
40. You guys have really gone off the rails. Her court appointees would guarantee gay marriage rights
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:28 PM
Apr 2016

forever.

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
42. Don’t Worry, [Try to] Be Happy
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:33 PM
Apr 2016

Part of the reason why same-sex marriage is now legal throughout the United States is because corporations and industries wanted it.

They saw the trends of acceptance trending, in recent years, and they had the money and influence to help get it to happen. (After all, the LGBT community—and the individuals’ personal finances—were stunningly underappreciated.)

One of the beautiful things was when they rolled over the religious institutions.

The Pope, observant of those developing trends, spearheaded a trend to get more acceptance. Smart.

This is not going to get reversed. The backward stuff is done in areas where it can be snuck through … temporarily. That will not last. Same-sex marriage, throughout the United States, is permanent. No fears of big, bad Republicans are necessary. (What they say in front of a camera is one thing. Behind the scenes—they don’t care.)

onenote

(42,703 posts)
48. Here you go
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:31 PM
Apr 2016

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antonyms: intelligent, sensible

Now I have a question for you: Explain how you think Clinton could jeopardize gay marriage. And also explain her votes against the confirmation of John Roberts and Samuel Alito while you're at it.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
50. I see you don't understand my question. I'll try again, but will type more slowly.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:37 PM
Apr 2016

How. Do. You. Think. Clinton. Could. Jeopardize. Gay. Marriage?

onenote

(42,703 posts)
53. So now I'll repeat my second question.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:40 PM
Apr 2016

How. Do. You. Explain. Her. Votes. Against. John. Roberts. And. Samuel. Alito?

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
54. she is a civil rights legend.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:41 PM
Apr 2016

who voted for the IWR (with exceptional intelligence) and disqualified herself from anything except the Hague.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
57. This is fun. We haven't a five year old in the house for years.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:46 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe you can just resort to responding to every post with "Because" or maybe" I'm rubber, you're glue; whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you."

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
60. Is this for real?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:03 PM
Apr 2016

Bill Clinton gave us some great justices on the Supreme Court.

I am sure Hillary's position on gay marriage was just like Obama's. They got along to get along. That genie is not going back in the bottle and she won't try to put it there.

Can't people just lose with dignity? Is that too much to ask?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
65. one of her largest long time backers recently gave !00k to defeat a Dem AA woman rep in MD
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:18 PM
Apr 2016

IN THE FINAL DAYS leading up to Maryland’s Democratic voters going to the polls on Tuesday to choose their U.S. Senate nominee, Rep. Donna Edwards has been barraged by ads and mailers from the Super PAC backing her opponent, Rep. Chris Van Hollen, called the Committee for Maryland’s Progress.

A television ad assails Edwards as “one of the least effective members of Congress,” contrasting her career with Van Hollen’s legislative record. It mentions no foreign policy issues, despite the dominant issue motivating one of the Super PAC’s largest funders.

https://theintercept.com/2016/04/25/pro-israel-billionaire-haim-saban-drops-100000-against-donna-edwards-in-maryland-senate-race/

athena

(4,187 posts)
64. Hillary Clinton respects the public's opinion.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:17 PM
Apr 2016

She's not an ideologue. She has her opinions, but if the majority of the people move to her left on an issue, she reassesses, and almost always decides that the people are right. The public opinion is strongly in favor of gay marriage and has been so for a few years now. Ergo, marriage equality will be safe under HRC.

Honestly, I think it is great to have a president who respects the people. President Obama is the same way: he was initially against gay marriage but came around when the public decided to support gay rights. What all this means is that when HRC is president, we should all work hard at the grassroots level to advance progressive causes, to make sure she does not move to the center. FDR himself said, "Make me do it."

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/11/fdr-wasnt-fdr-until-his-hand-was-forced.html

athena

(4,187 posts)
67. Did you bother to read my post and the link?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:19 PM
Apr 2016

I don't think you did because your post is a non-sequitur.

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