2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIs gay marriage jeopardized by a Clinton presidency?
Im pretty sure she aint down with that cause.
what happens if she gets that far down her list of things to do?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)I don't see her nominating Supreme Court justices that would undo marriage equality.
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wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Instead of trying to tear Hillary down. Now u haz a sad.
reddread
(6,896 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)That where it was pulled out of.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)revmclaren
(2,523 posts)From George Takei...#VOTEBLUENOMATTERWHO
https://www.facebook.com/georgehtakei/videos/1559267340769380/
Dig deeper...times running out...
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Please stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)#crashandbern
Sid
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)we plan on snacking on them.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)She's already said she'd compromise on abortion. The problem is she doesn't have a moral compass, she has a weathervane. Every position is based on immediate political expediency. For example, if the Republicans pushed through a bill banning gay marriage, put it on President Clintons desk, and told her they'd back off on impeachment if she signed it...would she? In a heartbeat.
revmclaren
(2,523 posts)True Democrats like George Takei are supporting her.
Have a wonderful day and week.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)Would you answer question 27 below. Thanks in advance.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)She'd "compromise on abortion", "doesn't have a moral compass", "weathervane" - and then there's the bonus bullshit about "impeachment".
Well done - if you're into that sort of crap.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Bernie budgeted $16 million for this kind of shit.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)You're not supposed to mention that.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Unicorn
(424 posts)After she stated she was willing to look at stopping late term abortions, I don't even trust her with abortion now.
I do not trust her to nominate progressives or even liberals to the Supreme court - because she backtracked on abortion rights and she came to the table decades late on other liberal issues she should have been for from the start - including civils and gay rights. I expect her to not want to legalize marijuana and to lock up more people to enrich private prisons who still have one of their lobbyists in her campaign and did donate to her super pac until she was exposed for it and gave their money back 6 months ago.
That she saw MLK speak as a teen then joined the Goldwater movement in college tells me it all about her.
How the hell does someone see MLK speak and then join the movement against civil rights? I will never be okay with that. And that information comes straight from her biography. I don't trust her for a second with blacks, other minorities, or anyone's rights except stanch white fundy Christians. Let's not forget she goes to a fundy right wing church.
When she was a senator and she kept voting with the Republicans she kept giving us liberals a very cold shoulder. I fully expect that will happen when she gets elected. She is going to be a very dangerous war president. I expect we will be at war with Iran within a year of her being elected, if not sooner. We'll be watching Hillary trying to sell her war to congress like Bush did with Iraq.
When we criticize her for war and death she's going to play the female card.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)Do you think a woman/couple should be allowed to have a late term abortion at 9 months to harvest body parts to sell for profit?
runaway hero
(835 posts)Should be allowed to decide when they can have an abortion.
Unicorn
(424 posts)That's exactly what I've come to expect from Hillary voters.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)about the issue.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Devoid of depth, a simple one-liner question or observation.
Hillary Clinton is solidly on the side of LGBTQ rights. No question.
Soundly for marriage equality, right in time with the USSC hearing of oral arguments of legalization of gay marriage.
PolitiFact ruling: FULL FLOP
So, did she support it in 2000? Nope.
January 2000: At a news conference in White Plains, Clinton said, "Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time, and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been, between a man and a woman. But I also believe that people in committed gay marriages, as they believe them to be, should be given rights under the law that recognize and respect their relationship."
Well, in 2007, she must have evolved by then. Nope.
May 2007: In a questionnaire for the Human Rights Campaign in 2007, Clinton backed away from the Defense of Marriage Act:
"I support repealing the provision of DOMA that may prohibit the federal government from providing benefits to people in states that recognize same-sex marriage."
In response to a question about whether marriage should be made legally available to two committed adults of the same sex, Clinton marked that she was "opposed" though she stated she supported civil unions.
"Clinton opposed same-sex marriage as a candidate for the Senate, while in office as a senator, and while running for president in 2008".
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Unlike Bernie, who probably still owns socks bought in 1971, most people evolve and change over time.
angrychair
(8,699 posts)My post was in response to the point she has always supported LGBTQ rights and by implication, gay marriage.
That is unambiguously false. Advocating for "civil unions, separate but equal" is the opposite of being a leader in LGBTQ rights.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)The word "all" did not appear in that sentence.
so, just for some rights? Glad she wasn't part of Lincoln's administration.
redwitch
(14,944 posts)No need to worry about that particular issue.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)Move on.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)Bill Clinton appointed Ruth Bader Ginsberg.
reddread
(6,896 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)I see no sign this court will change the status quo, and I don't see HRC nominating anyone too conservative. Bill put RBG and Breyer on the court.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Our system is not so terrible as it is made out to be.
That was a major change and forced states like Kentucky to accept it. Thus the whole Kim Davis debacle.
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)However, it is definitely jeopardized by allowing a GOP to win.
treestar
(82,383 posts)a subsequent President cannot change it all by themselves. Congress cannot change that now that the SCOTUS has ruled.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)forever.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)Part of the reason why same-sex marriage is now legal throughout the United States is because corporations and industries wanted it.
They saw the trends of acceptance trending, in recent years, and they had the money and influence to help get it to happen. (After all, the LGBT communityand the individuals personal financeswere stunningly underappreciated.)
One of the beautiful things was when they rolled over the religious institutions.
The Pope, observant of those developing trends, spearheaded a trend to get more acceptance. Smart.
This is not going to get reversed. The backward stuff is done in areas where it can be snuck through
temporarily. That will not last. Same-sex marriage, throughout the United States, is permanent. No fears of big, bad Republicans are necessary. (What they say in front of a camera is one thing. Behind the scenesthey dont care.)
onenote
(42,703 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)define stupid.
onenote
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Now I have a question for you: Explain how you think Clinton could jeopardize gay marriage. And also explain her votes against the confirmation of John Roberts and Samuel Alito while you're at it.
reddread
(6,896 posts)obviously.
what harm did he cause, anyway?
onenote
(42,703 posts)How. Do. You. Think. Clinton. Could. Jeopardize. Gay. Marriage?
reddread
(6,896 posts)onenote
(42,703 posts)How. Do. You. Explain. Her. Votes. Against. John. Roberts. And. Samuel. Alito?
reddread
(6,896 posts)who voted for the IWR (with exceptional intelligence) and disqualified herself from anything except the Hague.
onenote
(42,703 posts)Maybe you can just resort to responding to every post with "Because" or maybe" I'm rubber, you're glue; whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you."
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)Bill Clinton gave us some great justices on the Supreme Court.
I am sure Hillary's position on gay marriage was just like Obama's. They got along to get along. That genie is not going back in the bottle and she won't try to put it there.
Can't people just lose with dignity? Is that too much to ask?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)be first on the scene at
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/us/ferguson-missouri-town-under-siege-after-police-shooting.html?_r=0
and I am sure she would comment on
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/bs-md-ci-porter-jury-split-20160115-story.html
in solidarity with her base.
or whatever.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)IN THE FINAL DAYS leading up to Marylands Democratic voters going to the polls on Tuesday to choose their U.S. Senate nominee, Rep. Donna Edwards has been barraged by ads and mailers from the Super PAC backing her opponent, Rep. Chris Van Hollen, called the Committee for Marylands Progress.
A television ad assails Edwards as one of the least effective members of Congress, contrasting her career with Van Hollens legislative record. It mentions no foreign policy issues, despite the dominant issue motivating one of the Super PACs largest funders.
https://theintercept.com/2016/04/25/pro-israel-billionaire-haim-saban-drops-100000-against-donna-edwards-in-maryland-senate-race/
athena
(4,187 posts)She's not an ideologue. She has her opinions, but if the majority of the people move to her left on an issue, she reassesses, and almost always decides that the people are right. The public opinion is strongly in favor of gay marriage and has been so for a few years now. Ergo, marriage equality will be safe under HRC.
Honestly, I think it is great to have a president who respects the people. President Obama is the same way: he was initially against gay marriage but came around when the public decided to support gay rights. What all this means is that when HRC is president, we should all work hard at the grassroots level to advance progressive causes, to make sure she does not move to the center. FDR himself said, "Make me do it."
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/11/fdr-wasnt-fdr-until-his-hand-was-forced.html
reddread
(6,896 posts)anyone in the Democratic Party?
athena
(4,187 posts)I don't think you did because your post is a non-sequitur.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)That's pretty unusual.