2016 Postmortem

masmdu

(2,536 posts) Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:35 PM Apr 2016

Hillary the Hawk admits she lies to liberals to get their votes!

About the 2007 Iraq troops surge and Hillary's calculation about her 2008 prez run...

Former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates later revealed in his memoirs that Hillary had told him her opposition was a strictly political move, a disingenuous attempt to get more votes from a war-weary public.

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/27/democrats_this_is_why_you_need_to_fear_hillary_clinton_the_ny_times_is_absolutely_right_shes_a_bigger_hawk_than_the_republicanse/?

Great candidate there.

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Hillary the Hawk admits she lies to liberals to get their votes! (Original Post) masmdu Apr 2016 OP

[hidable term]....not understanding Sanders is a politician too, they still live in Podium Bird land uponit7771 Apr 2016 #1

I might be wrong. Wilms Apr 2016 #3

You should listen to her laughing about getting a rapist off with time served Baobab Apr 2016 #22

Excellent point! Gumhead. masmdu Apr 2016 #4

You just run around blurting out dim provocations, huh? whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #5

LOL. Insinuating that all politicians do what Clinton does. Not true. She lied about Iraq and to rhett o rick Apr 2016 #12

At least Bernie is a politician who votes the way we *want* our pols to! reformist2 Apr 2016 #16

Yep, he votes against the Brady Bill leftofcool Apr 2016 #17

To be honest, it's a minor issue compared to wars & wall street. reformist2 Apr 2016 #19

Where he stands on guns will be a tremendous boon if he gets the nom. PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #61

What a meaningful, substantive response. JudyM Apr 2016 #30

Oh My God! I hope this isn't true. Armstead Apr 2016 #2

why wouldn't it be true? people still vote for her MisterP Apr 2016 #7

She has never met an overseas adventure she didn't like. N/T actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #6

At least not one she could promote, vote for, or advise others to participate in loyalsister Apr 2016 #57

Stoopid libruls don't know war is big money Fumesucker Apr 2016 #8

arghhh that is one disturbing baby caricature. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #20

So the Sanders camp is hanging their hat on hearsay from a Bush holdover? Tarc Apr 2016 #9

She came, she saw, she lied RufusTFirefly Apr 2016 #13

She declared, she ran, she won Tarc Apr 2016 #15

The battle, but not the war. Par for the course for her. Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #26

It's sad that you actually cheerlead a Democrat's loss Tarc Apr 2016 #37

If Hillary is the new democratic party, then I am here to cheerlead her loss. Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #40

Bye Felicia Tarc Apr 2016 #41

That tired old line is nowhere near as funny as you think it is. Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #42

I'm sorry that you dislike African-American movies so much that you'r not in on the joke Tarc Apr 2016 #50

I'm well aware of the joke, and also aware enough to know when a jokes been overused and gone stale. Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #64

The big problem is choosing just one of so many hat racks. Orsino Apr 2016 #53

You don't say! RufusTFirefly Apr 2016 #10

What most of us have known for years---decades.... Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #11

The Clintons lancer78 Apr 2016 #45

EVERYONE, including her supporters, knows she's a liar Doctor_J Apr 2016 #14

They like it? I assume they don't give a damn because they see integrity as one of the unicorn/ JudyM Apr 2016 #32

Tired of her already. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #18

People do not understand that if she is elected RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #21

Indeed. She'll have 840high Apr 2016 #24

Or she could do the old, tried and true "Obama" --- I tried but that darned congress . . . . . . pdsimdars Apr 2016 #51

Of course, and then in 2020 they'll still demand liberal votes because 'she's so electable'. Kentonio Apr 2016 #59

1664 to 1371... SidDithers Apr 2016 #23

Aren't you Canadian? masmdu Apr 2016 #25

I think he's Panamanian. RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #67

Bernie said he was a democrat (for the media attention) workinclasszero Apr 2016 #27

And that resulted in how many deaths exactly? masmdu Apr 2016 #28

Bernie lies = good workinclasszero Apr 2016 #29

You see equivalency? Ha ha ha! Baka masmdu Apr 2016 #33

Sandy Hook? workinclasszero Apr 2016 #34

Classy. frylock Apr 2016 #36

Children of Iraq? actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #38

Riiiiight.... masmdu Apr 2016 #39

Sanders didn't peddle Remington guns to Saudi Arabia. Clinton did n/t eridani Apr 2016 #46

Where is the lie, exactly? frylock Apr 2016 #35

When someone explains clearly and openly why they're doing something, its not actually a lie. Kentonio Apr 2016 #60

Key Point: This is how Trump wins. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #31

I'm a Veteran, Trump seems more Left then Hillary on foreign policy. I worry about future wars. NT Joob Apr 2016 #44

She has proven that she is 100% hawk. I will never vote for her. jfern Apr 2016 #43

Still a Goldwater Girl after all. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #47

Ah Goldwater, a girl remembers her first love. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #52

Going out of business sale!!! All outrages MUST GO!!!! JoePhilly Apr 2016 #48

Best if Used Before July 25, 2016.... FSogol Apr 2016 #49

+ 1 JoePhilly Apr 2016 #55

Nicely done! NurseJackie Apr 2016 #54

love that image!!! JoePhilly Apr 2016 #56

Yes, silly people who are outraged about someone who thinks her own Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #63

I remember that picture. polly7 Apr 2016 #66

Lacking in integrity AND honor. Not a big surprise. n/t VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #58

She lies as easily as she breathes. Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #62

That's Hillary in a nut shell. Autumn Apr 2016 #65

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)

1. [hidable term]....not understanding Sanders is a politician too, they still live in Podium Bird land

Reply to masmdu (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:36 PM

Apr 2016

Last edited Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:17 PM - Edit history (1)

Wilms

(26,795 posts)

3. I might be wrong.

Reply to uponit7771 (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:38 PM

Apr 2016

But your post seems to be unnecessarily up in the poster's face.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)

22. You should listen to her laughing about getting a rapist off with time served

Reply to Wilms (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:17 PM

Apr 2016

She discredited the 12 year old girl victim and it seems, misled the court as to the willingness of an expert to testify on their behalf.

Its definitely her voice.

masmdu

(2,536 posts)

4. Excellent point! Gumhead.

Reply to uponit7771 (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:39 PM

Apr 2016

Baka

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)

5. You just run around blurting out dim provocations, huh?

Reply to uponit7771 (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:39 PM

Apr 2016

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)

12. LOL. Insinuating that all politicians do what Clinton does. Not true. She lied about Iraq and to

Reply to uponit7771 (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:52 PM

Apr 2016

this day has zero empathy for the victims.

The reason that Sanders has so many enthusiastic suppoter, is because he isn't a liar and cheater.

I find it interesting that some can rationalize Clinton's lies. Authoritarian Adulation.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)

16. At least Bernie is a politician who votes the way we *want* our pols to!

Reply to uponit7771 (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:58 PM

Apr 2016

Isn't that better than a politician who votes against you, then is constantly apologizing and explaining?

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)

17. Yep, he votes against the Brady Bill

Reply to reformist2 (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:01 PM

Apr 2016

I assume that Bernie supporters are not into gun control since your candidate votes the way you want him to?

reformist2

(9,841 posts)

19. To be honest, it's a minor issue compared to wars & wall street.

Reply to leftofcool (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:03 PM

Apr 2016

PyaarRevolution

(814 posts)

61. Where he stands on guns will be a tremendous boon if he gets the nom.

Reply to leftofcool (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:59 PM

Apr 2016

Because he's not pandering to deluded people who think banning guns will make crime go away, you know, like those people who believe banning abortion will make that go away.

JudyM

(29,248 posts)

30. What a meaningful, substantive response.

Reply to uponit7771 (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:43 PM

Apr 2016

Armstead

(47,803 posts)

2. Oh My God! I hope this isn't true.

Reply to masmdu (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:37 PM

Apr 2016

One of the biggest influences on Clinton was Jack Keane, a retired four-star general whom the Times describes as “a well-compensated member of the military-industrial complex” and “the resident hawk on Fox News, where he appears regularly to call for the United States to use greater military force in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan.”

Keane took an immediate liking to Clinton and took her under his wing. He tutored her on Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and more.

Clinton asked Keane to be a formal policy adviser, yet he refused — not because he opposed her, but rather because he would not endorse any candidate

MisterP

(23,730 posts)

7. why wouldn't it be true? people still vote for her

Reply to Armstead (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:40 PM

Apr 2016

actslikeacarrot

(464 posts)

6. She has never met an overseas adventure she didn't like. N/T

Reply to masmdu (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:40 PM

Apr 2016

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)

57. At least not one she could promote, vote for, or advise others to participate in

Reply to actslikeacarrot (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:38 AM

Apr 2016

It's my understanding that she did oppose Vietnam. The difference- people she knew and cared about were being drafter so she had a personal investment. The wars she has supported with her influence have also been opportunistic and exploitive ventures in pursuit of power. How far she's fallen.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)

8. Stoopid libruls don't know war is big money

Reply to masmdu (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:42 PM

Apr 2016

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)

20. arghhh that is one disturbing baby caricature.

Reply to Fumesucker (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:10 PM

Apr 2016

it looks oddly familiar.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)

9. So the Sanders camp is hanging their hat on hearsay from a Bush holdover?

Reply to masmdu (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:47 PM

Apr 2016

How interesting.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)

13. She came, she saw, she lied

Reply to Tarc (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:52 PM

Apr 2016

Tarc

(10,476 posts)

15. She declared, she ran, she won

Reply to RufusTFirefly (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:57 PM

Apr 2016

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)

26. The battle, but not the war. Par for the course for her.

Reply to Tarc (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:32 PM

Apr 2016

Tarc

(10,476 posts)

37. It's sad that you actually cheerlead a Democrat's loss

Reply to Joe the Revelator (Reply #26)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:55 PM

Apr 2016

But I guess that's what we can expect from those that backed a non-Democratic member, eve though they tried desperately to get their man to be this party's nominee.

The hypocrisy would actually bother a regular person...

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)

40. If Hillary is the new democratic party, then I am here to cheerlead her loss.

Reply to Tarc (Reply #37)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:47 PM

Apr 2016

In 20 years we have watched the party turn from something worth supporting, to something that nominates a person that is to the right of everything the party use to stand for. Back when the party meant something.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)

41. Bye Felicia

Reply to Joe the Revelator (Reply #40)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:57 PM

Apr 2016

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)

42. That tired old line is nowhere near as funny as you think it is.

Reply to Tarc (Reply #41)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:51 PM

Apr 2016

Tarc

(10,476 posts)

50. I'm sorry that you dislike African-American movies so much that you'r not in on the joke

Reply to Joe the Revelator (Reply #42)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:05 AM

Apr 2016

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)

64. I'm well aware of the joke, and also aware enough to know when a jokes been overused and gone stale.

Reply to Tarc (Reply #50)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:05 PM

Apr 2016

Orsino

(37,428 posts)

53. The big problem is choosing just one of so many hat racks.

Reply to Tarc (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:18 AM

Apr 2016

The alleged conversation may or may not be accurately reported here, but votes for and against the IWR are on record.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)

10. You don't say!

Reply to masmdu (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:50 PM

Apr 2016

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)

11. What most of us have known for years---decades....

Reply to masmdu (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:50 PM

Apr 2016

This comes as no surprise and there is more out there....
stay tuned.

lancer78

(1,495 posts)

45. The Clintons

Reply to Land of Enchantment (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:02 AM

Apr 2016

have always had a sense of entitlement. That the rule of law doesn't apply to them.

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)

14. EVERYONE, including her supporters, knows she's a liar

Reply to masmdu (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:55 PM

Apr 2016

Some people like that in a president

JudyM

(29,248 posts)

32. They like it? I assume they don't give a damn because they see integrity as one of the unicorn/

Reply to Doctor_J (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:45 PM

Apr 2016

rainbows.

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)

18. Tired of her already.

Reply to masmdu (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:02 PM

Apr 2016

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)

21. People do not understand that if she is elected

Reply to masmdu (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:15 PM

Apr 2016

she shall go back on most if not all of her "promises."
She has in the past, and I believe that past practice is a harbinger of the future.
You all can say that I told you so, if this happens.

840high

(17,196 posts)

24. Indeed. She'll have

Reply to RoccoR5955 (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:26 PM

Apr 2016

convenient amnesia.

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)

51. Or she could do the old, tried and true "Obama" --- I tried but that darned congress . . . . . .

Reply to 840high (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:04 AM

Apr 2016

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)

59. Of course, and then in 2020 they'll still demand liberal votes because 'she's so electable'.

Reply to RoccoR5955 (Reply #21)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:55 PM

Apr 2016

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)

23. 1664 to 1371...

Reply to masmdu (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:17 PM

Apr 2016

It's over. Bernie lost.

Sid

masmdu

(2,536 posts)

25. Aren't you Canadian?

Reply to SidDithers (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:28 PM

Apr 2016

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)

67. I think he's Panamanian.

Reply to masmdu (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:51 PM

Apr 2016

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)

27. Bernie said he was a democrat (for the media attention)

Reply to masmdu (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:33 PM

Apr 2016

Great candidate there.

Bernie Sanders says he ran as Democrat for the media attention
By REBECCA SHABAD CBS NEWS March 15, 2016, 11:38 AM

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-says-he-ran-as-democrat-for-the-media-attention/

masmdu

(2,536 posts)

28. And that resulted in how many deaths exactly?

Reply to workinclasszero (Reply #27)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:39 PM

Apr 2016

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)

29. Bernie lies = good

Reply to masmdu (Reply #28)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:42 PM

Apr 2016

Got that loud and clear, thanks.

masmdu

(2,536 posts)

33. You see equivalency? Ha ha ha! Baka

Reply to workinclasszero (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:47 PM

Apr 2016

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)

34. Sandy Hook?

Reply to masmdu (Reply #33)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:51 PM

Apr 2016

Ill just leave that right here.

frylock

(34,825 posts)

36. Classy.

Reply to workinclasszero (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:53 PM

Apr 2016

actslikeacarrot

(464 posts)

38. Children of Iraq?

Reply to workinclasszero (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:56 PM

Apr 2016

masmdu

(2,536 posts)

39. Riiiiight....

Reply to workinclasszero (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:04 PM

Apr 2016

eridani

(51,907 posts)

46. Sanders didn't peddle Remington guns to Saudi Arabia. Clinton did n/t

Reply to workinclasszero (Reply #34)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:22 AM

Apr 2016

frylock

(34,825 posts)

35. Where is the lie, exactly?

Reply to workinclasszero (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:52 PM

Apr 2016

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)

60. When someone explains clearly and openly why they're doing something, its not actually a lie.

Reply to workinclasszero (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:56 PM

Apr 2016

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)

31. Key Point: This is how Trump wins.

Reply to masmdu (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:45 PM

Apr 2016

The last paragraph of the article:

The general election might therefore “present voters with an unfamiliar choice,” the Times concludes: “a Democratic hawk versus a Republican reluctant warrior.”

Trump may well win by going to Clinton's left on foreign policy, while staying to her right on social/economic issues. A "fiscal conservative" who speaks against foreign intervention unless absolutely necessary. That could be a winning platform. Even some people who are liberal on social issues may find the less hawkishness appealing, and hey, Hillary isn't all *that* liberal anyway, nor is Trump *that* conservative.

Joob

(1,065 posts)

44. I'm a Veteran, Trump seems more Left then Hillary on foreign policy. I worry about future wars. NT

Reply to thesquanderer (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:57 PM

Apr 2016

jfern

(5,204 posts)

43. She has proven that she is 100% hawk. I will never vote for her.

Reply to masmdu (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:52 PM

Apr 2016

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)

47. Still a Goldwater Girl after all.

Reply to masmdu (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:58 AM

Apr 2016

There's so much MONEY to be made in war!!!

The "foreign policy" is excuse-making for it. Cover stories R Us.

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)

52. Ah Goldwater, a girl remembers her first love.

Reply to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #47)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:05 AM

Apr 2016

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)

48. Going out of business sale!!! All outrages MUST GO!!!!

Reply to masmdu (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:08 AM

Apr 2016

FSogol

(45,485 posts)

49. Best if Used Before July 25, 2016....

Reply to JoePhilly (Reply #48)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:20 AM

Apr 2016

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)

55. + 1

Reply to FSogol (Reply #49)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:28 AM

Apr 2016

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)

54. Nicely done!

Reply to JoePhilly (Reply #48)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:20 AM

Apr 2016

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)

56. love that image!!!

Reply to NurseJackie (Reply #54)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:28 AM

Apr 2016

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)

63. Yes, silly people who are outraged about someone who thinks her own

Reply to JoePhilly (Reply #48)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:10 PM

Apr 2016

political expediency is worth more than the lives of untold maimed and slaughtered innocent Iraqis. Jeez, why can't we get over it?

polly7

(20,582 posts)

66. I remember that picture.

Reply to Arugula Latte (Reply #63)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:10 PM

Apr 2016

As well as those in Libya showing African workers (mercenaries!) and Qaddafi loyalists hung in the streets and of so many other atrocities against them. There were many pictures back then of all the horrific things done during that sham. I still think these should have been shown on the nightly news. These people were all invisible, but shouldn't have been. They once lived, and still do matter.