Congratulations on the lowest I have seen a Democratic candidate I like sink.

Also, his last debate performance was awful.

Or was it the time he wasn't in the photograph at UChicago protesting unfair housing for students of color?

A naked political move by Bernie to try to win NY

Many were offended by his politicizing it. Of course, we're crazy and Bernie is winning!

Y'all filled up GD-P with insulting, ridiculing obsessive OPs about it for days.

Such behavior will not be forgotten.

Maybe they were placed in the lounge and the perpetually offended just didn't know about that.

going on about him hiding behind potted plants, and ambushing the pope on his way to the bathroom. I have never witnessed more extreme idiocy here ever.

I know Bernie's trip to the Vatican really irked them and they had the trolls with their talking points out in full force over it, but I think some of the stupider ones actually believed the bullshit they were spouting.

I heard him answer say "IF she "x", IF she "y", IF she ... then, yes, she is unqualified. He did not say "Hillary Clinton is unqualified for president" with no qualifications in that statement. Everyone who is saying that he did knows that he did not. The big lie - just repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat and then repeat again. Manufacturing Reality 101.

She spun his NY Daily News interview to make him out to be "confused" and not having "done his homework," both of which were a lie, while he said if she were to do this or that, then she would be unqualified. He he wasn't trying to disqualify her as a human being. He never goes personal.

So a couple of days ago at the MSNBC Town Hall, she pulled up the same dirty accusation.

He could never, in a thousand years, behave the way she does.

Senator Obama in 2008. The sniper fire thing ... she lied. Anyways, that is in the past as she is much more preferable than an idiot Trump.

150 Agents... Ain't fer nutin!

Ick. I wouldn't want her in the presidency!

Excellent video, amborin. Makes its point very well.

Like this guy, George W Bush. He and Hillary's husband, Bill Clinton, work in the "Weath Management" department for former Sen. Phil Gramm at UBS.



Before UBS, they all worked together in Washington, where Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas) shepherded financial deregulation of the banks through Congress and President Bill Clinton (D-USA) signed it into law, the repeal of New Deal protections that kept Wall Street from using the taxpayers for their tab at the casino. President Bush was there, too, making sure the Banksters got away in 2008.

Forensic economist and former Fed regulator William K. Black wrote it reminds him of what happened during the Savings and Loans Crisis of the late 80s and early 90s. That was the greatest heist in history, until the Banksters of 2008 -- who did their thing thanks in largest measure to the work of Bill Clinton, George W Bush and Phil Gramm when they were, coincidentally, in federal office.

I can't tell you how much I've learned from all your posts .... some of this just takes your breath away. The corrupt relationships that seem to go back decades explain much of what's been killing this planet and so many human beings on it. I find it all horrible, so can only imagine how bad it must be for those of you living with it directly, knowing all of this.

Amazing posts.

Gridlock? Shut down? Austerity? Heh. It's all part of the act.

Kennebunkport, July 30, 1983: Bill Clinton, George Bush & George Wallace.



Wallace and his third wife, the former Lisa Taylor, meet with Vice President George Bush and Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton at a lobster bake at Bush's residence at Kennebunkport, Maine, July 30, 1983. The third Mrs. Wallace, whom the governor married in 1981, was 30 years his junior and half of a country-western singing duo, Mona and Lisa, who had performed during his campaign in 1968.

CREDIT: AP/Birmingham Post

SOURCE: http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-wallace/13/

Michael Beschloss, my mom's favorite historian, says it's genuine: https://twitter.com/beschlossdc/status/275941914182828033

George Wallace did all he could to oppose President Kennedy and his administration's policy to integrate public schools, including the University of Alabama.

Something else important to know: Wallace’s running mate in 1968 was Gen. Curtis LeMay, who exhibited insubordination to President Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis. President Kennedy, former CIA analyst Ray McGovern noted, exhibited signs of stress over the possibility of a military coup.

Most importantly: Thank you for the kind words and understanding, polly7. The only reason I continue to learn about this sickening history and post it -- the only reason -- is for Democracy. The fact I've met true friends is the icing on the cake.

Richard Perle and the Neocons. Actually the Republicon elite can live with her as president.

Who knows, something could happen between now and the convention and make the supers change their minds. I am sure they all have questions about previous commitments. Heck, most of them committed before the primary even started, It would be logical for them to reconsider.

What would not be logical is for them to overturn the will of a rather large majority of voters in the democratic party.

Is not a rather large majority. Just stop saying that.

Even 300 out of the required 2,238 is not.

Too, given that a rather small percentage of voters actually voted, the numbers you are hiding behind are pitiful for your excuses of going with what people desired.

over 15% differential in the people who vote in an election is a large majority....

A large majority would mean H has enough voted delegates to secure the nomination. She does not have that majority and she never will.

are NOT going to overturn the majority of votes - at the moment it's 3 million more than Sen Sanders. And it's pathetic that you're hoping they do. Just fucking stop it.

....should vote with the majority.

If such a "rather small percentage of voters actually voted", why couldn't Sanders "energize" them?

A lot could happen between now and then. The author of the OP thinks the email scandal can lead to that very scenario.

Without the Superdelegates. It's a certainty Bernie will have picked up sufficient delegates out west to prevent Hillary from winning the nomination on the first ballot.

If it's a brokered convention: All Bets Are Off.

Between now and then the Bernie revolution will not be stopping. We await Bernie's reasoning to begin making moves about the convention and toward influencing the supers. Phone calls, letters, etc, will be entering the supers' world's in the next few months. If they can't stand the Bern, they may run, run away?

it's really about the fact that she had that server, without govt knowledge, and then wiped it. That just became espionage. I also heard that this case is already before a grand jury and the case is made. They are just crossing their T's and going through the Clinton Foundation information and seeing if there are links to other crimes there.

Joe DiGenova was on C-Span answering questions and really had a lot of insight.

Link: http://www.c-span.org/video/?406228-4/washington-journal-joseph-digenova-hillary-clinton-emails

DeGenova? The same clown that's been sniffing the Clinton sheets since the 90s? THAT'S who you're hanging your hat on? I would think you'd be embarrassed at using some right wing asshole hack as a source but apparently some Bernie supporters are beyond shame.

Brokered convention? How do you see a brokered convention with only two candidates?

with only ONE viable candidate. There no denying the charges that have been made. Unless you're Hillary or one of her following. The rest of us see no clear path to the Oval Office.

...spend a little time reading about what the FBI is investigating. They are NOT investigating Clinton.

Face it, Sanders will not be the nominee. It's time to stop this trashing of Clinton and unite behind our nominee.

Who do you think they're investigating?

I like to share ideas. In politics, I think it's the democratic thing to do.

As for the convention, it's a place to elect the nominee. It is not a coronation.

individual state dem establishments. This deal is not going to be easy for them to back out of.

They would be in grave danger to admit they did something so dastardly as committing before any of the People cast the first vote.

They may not admit it, but we all know it to be true. We are watching. Seems they are between a rock and a hard place.

deal and which ones did not.

... the next minutes ... The super delegates hold the key!!!!!

Absolutely hilarious.

Now they are to be used to overcome the decision of the voters!

... think they, and only they, are entitled to decided who the nominee is.

He could bring up the Sec. Clinton's enriching connections to Swiss bank: UBS.

Remember the time UBS was gonna name 52,000 tax cheats until Hillary stepped in?
Before the Swiss bank could name more than 6,500, Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State intervened.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

That possibly was legal. Definitely immoral. And likely unconstitutional, but hey! The people who benefit in secret make the laws in secret. Certainly won't hear them discussed on tee vee, and thus never even considered in the minds of many. What I find disgusting are the people who know about this and do nothing.

UBS is a Swiss bank that is enjoying better days, thanks to the US taxpayer and a number of key US political leaders.

her very serious ethical/legal issues.

For Bush/Clinton war machine.

Getting superdelegates to switch....

Better to buy a lottery ticket. A million to one is a lot better than a quadrillion to one, which is what the US taxpayers are on the hook for, thanks to all the derivatives and whatever frauds of Wall Street the repeal of Glass Steagall have us on the hook for.

market value of derivatives?

Unbelievably, the "banks" get federal deposit insurance for the money they scam away. So, they've socialized the risk. The irrepressible banned by Kos has nothing to worry about, they've privatized the rewards.

They stood out like a sore thumb: the authoritarians, corporatists, boot-strappers, cop supporters, insurance-not-health-care, war-mongers... geez they were so predictable and identifiable from their posts here before she announced.

Thank you for posting.

Our situation can be visualized as a bank robbery where we saw the robbery and can identify the perpetrators, so we go to the police station to report the crime and when the sergeant at the front desk looks up, we see it was the bank robber.



http://www.pgpf.org/what-we-are-doing/fiscal-summit

The Friedman piece was another great read. The 2016 Fiscal Summit is disgusting (thought leaders) and very revealing when you look at the speakers. Have you read this earlier piece from Counterpunch?:

November 17, 2006
The Road from Serfdom

by Greg Grandin

http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/11/17/the-road-from-serfdom/

Thank you very much, noretreatnosurrender. I had not read that crucial, if painful, report.

They certainly won't stop until they've hollowed out the U.S. like they did to Chile. The TPP will only help move that along.

I love the emails from nsarchive.

Clinton in the WH? Okay, I know - yes.

As to Frank Church - I always felt that the reason he was pushed out of Congress was that he dared to investigate the CIA and what we were doing in SA.

He was a good man and one of the liberals.

As you know jwirr, Frank Church was a patriot, a hero and a statesman, truly a great American.

The guy also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:

go down before the 80s? He was one of my favorites back then.

As well known as she is and with all the advantages she has had, she is unlikely to be able to shake a brokered convention.

This is compelling evidence of Bernie's strength and her weakness.

Bernie could still win. He has the financial support to go all the way and he is taking our issues at least to the convention floor and maybe even the White House.

It has been said that no candidate ever quits running for President, they just run out of money. Hillary may run out of money. If it were not for Super Pacs and Citizen's United, she already would have been out of money.

Bernie is not running out of money. He is people powered!

Our future is at stake. Bernie understands the powers of the US government should be be used to make life better for ALL Americans. Contrast that with...

What Hillary tells the BIG WIGs

I am grateful you are still here. I am an Octafish post fan. Always good reading!

I hope the admins realize what might be left of DU if they push out the Bernie folks before the convention is over.

At no time have they told me what to post or what not to post. Their only caveat is that the information be true.

That's why DU is the place for Democrats on the 'Net.

It's also why I feel lucky to have real-world friends through our virtual community.

Please know that your friendship really does mean the world to me, Melissa G!

I hope it stays that way. The primaries are always gnarly.

Great to have you here!

Anyone silly enough to believe the premise of the OP should open an Irish brokerage account and put their money where their mouth is. Predictwise has Clinton at 98% to be the nominee which means that you would get great odds http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-democratic-nomination In other words, the free market system and the smart money making a market here do not think that any of the options listed above are going to happen.

Democratic congressman. He has endorsed HRC some time ago.

His aide and I talked about the election. I told him we Bernie supporters are not giving up. He said "Well, we think that Bernie still has a good path to the nomination." I said "Yeah, some people are looking to the FBI." And he said "Many people are, yes."

He attended a ceremony where the Library of Congress was receiving my family's donation of my uncle's WW2 papers. He was a P.O.W. who received the Congressional Medal of Honor, the Silver Star, the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart, etc. etc. Two Congressional aides were representing the Congressmen at the ceremony. I talked to one. He was quite frank.

Many people think Obama was born in Kenya. Many people think the earth is flat.

“Remember that all through history, there have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they seem invincible. But in the end, they always fall. Always.” -- Mahatma Gandhi

Have to say, still better than Hillary herself suggesting Obama could have been assassinated, but WAY desperate.

A brokered convention is a strong possibility.

would be political suicide, not political assassination.

enough before the convention

Sid

And while you've been asked a thousand times without answering, I'll ask again: So, why do you care?

My kids and I play the Ancient Alien Theorist game all the time.

He is so honest and I really believe he is for the working class. Darn, I so wanted him to get the nomination. A Democrat is better than trump or cruz, so if it is Mrs. Clinton, so be it.

Thanks, Octafish.

when he made his informal announcement. They tried writing him off even before that. They are still trying. They don't get it.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

This is going to be a looooong spring.

he makes the case that Bernie can't win, then hopes for an indictment.

LOL, even if indicted, that does not mean the super delegates automatically care. Innocent until proven guilty, for one. Even if Hlilary were indicted, it doesn't mean those voters will go oh well we have to settle for Bernie.

Having the private server was not criminal. Even if not a good idea. This is getting pathetic.

I just laugh

(Yeah that kind from outer space) land and lay waste to all the buildings in DC with laser cannons ... , well, maybe.

Maybe.

The first three were pilots, officers in the United States armed forces. The fourth name was a young Australian air cadet. Each lost their life in association with UFOs. There likely are others. Here's a bit on them:

Thomas Mantell

Mantell Case (1948)

EXCERPT...

Mantell was an experienced pilot; his flight history consisted of 2,167 hours in the air, and he had been honored for his part in the Battle of Normandy during World War II.

On 7 January 1948, Godman Field at Fort Knox, Kentucky received a report from the Kentucky Highway Patrol of an unusual aerial object near Maysville, Kentucky. Reports of a westbound circular object, 250 feet (76 m) to 300 feet (91 m) in diameter, were received from Owensboro, Kentucky, and Irvington, Kentucky.

At about 1:45 p.m., Sgt Quinton Blackwell saw an object from his position in the control tower at Fort Knox. Two other witnesses in the tower also reported a white object in the distance. Base commander Colonel Guy Hix reported an object he described as "very white," and "about one fourth the size of the full moon ... Through binoculars it appeared to have a red border at the bottom ... It remained stationary, seemingly, for one and a half hours." Observers at Clinton County Army Air Field in Ohio described the object "as having the appearance of a flaming red cone trailing a gaseous green mist" and observed the object for around 35 minutes. Another observer at Lockbourne Army Air Field in Ohio noted, "Just before leaving it came to very near the ground, staying down for about ten seconds, then climbed at a very fast rate back to its original altitude, 10,000 feet, leveling off and disappearing into the overcast heading 120 degrees. Its speed was greater than 500 mph in level flight."

Four P-51 Mustangs of C Flight, 165th Fighter Squadron Kentucky Air National Guard already in the air—one piloted by Mantell—were told to approach the object. Blackwell was in radio communication with the pilots throughout the event.

One pilot's Mustang was low on fuel, and he quickly abandoned his efforts. Air Force Captain Edward J. Ruppelt (the first head of Project Blue Book) notes that there was some disagreement amongst the air traffic controllers as to Mantell's words as he communicated with the tower: some sources reported that Mantell had described an object &quot which) looks metallic and of tremendous size," but, according to Ruppelt in The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, others disputed whether or not Mantell actually said this.

The other two pilots accompanied Mantell in steep pursuit of the object. They later reported they saw an object, but described it as so small and indistinct they could not identify it. Mantell ignored suggestions that the pilots should level their altitude and try to more clearly see the object.

Only one of Mantell's companions, Lt. Albert Clemmons, had an oxygen mask, and his oxygen was in low supply. Clemmons and a Lt. Hammond called off their pursuit at 22,500 feet (6,900 m). Mantell continued to climb, however. According to the Air Force, once Mantell passed 25,000 feet (7,600 m) he supposedly blacked out from the lack of oxygen (hypoxia), and his plane began spiraling back towards the ground. A witness later reported Mantell's Mustang in a circling descent. His plane crashed at a farm south of Franklin, Kentucky, on the Tennessee-Kentucky state line.

Firemen later pulled Mantell's body from the Mustang's wreckage. His wristwatch had stopped at 3:18 p.m., the time of his crash. Meanwhile, by 3:50 p.m. the UFO was no longer visible to observers at Godman Field. The Mantell Incident was reported by newspapers around the nation, and received significant news media attention. A number of sensational rumors were also circulated about Mantell's crash. Among the rumors were claims that Mantell's fighter had been shot down by the UFO he was chasing, and that the Air Force covered up evidence proving this. Another rumor stated that Mantell's body was found riddled with strange holes. However, no evidence has ever surfaced to substantiate any of these claims. In 1956, Ruppelt wrote that the Mantell Crash was one of three "classic" UFO cases in 1948 that would help to define the UFO phenomenon in the public mind, and would help to convince Air Force intelligence specialists that UFOs were a "real", physical phenomenon (Ruppelt 30). The other two sightings were the Gorman Dogfight and the Chiles-Whitted UFO Encounter.

CONTINUED...

http://www.mufon.com/mantell-case---1948.html

Radar operator stated he watched the aircraft approach the UFO; then saw the two blips merge into one return on his scope; which then took off at a high rate of speed and out of radar range.

Marksville Weekly News

Avoyelles Parish has connections to a UFO mystery that goes back 49 years. Gordon Heath from Surrey, British Columbia was in Marksville recently to investigate the background of Lt. Felix E. Moncla who disappeared along with another crew member, Second Lt. Robert L. Wilson, over Lake Superior on Monday, November 23, 1953.

According to Heath, who is a UFO hobbyist, Moncla was on temporary assignment at Kinross Air Force Base in ...(sic. Michigan)... when he was sent to identify and unidentified craft over the Soo Locks, which is restricted airspace. Moncla, in an F-89C, pursued the craft for about 30 minutes flying at 30,000 feet over the middle of Lake Superior. He was flying about 500 mph when he was instructed by ground radar to descend to 7,000 feet.

When the unidentified craft was finally on radar it was noted that the two radar images, the UFO and the Air Force jet, were very close and at some point they intersected but only one remained. Heath says that the unidentified craft flew north and disappeared from radar.

Lt. Moncla's jet mysteriously disappeared without a trace.

http://www.nuforc.org/mancla.html

No remains of the crew or wreckage of the F-89C have been found.

His late father holds the missing flyer's picture:



Delta Sierra Juliet? Do you read?

Boats and aircraft have found no trace of the 20-year old Australian pilot who disappeared with his plane on Saturday night after radioing that he was being chased by a UFO. Frederick Valentich was on a 125 mile training flight in his single engine Cessna 182 along the coast of Bass Strait when he told air traffic controllers in Melbourne that he was being buzzed by a UFO with 4 bright lights about 1000 feet above him.

Controllers said his last message was taped and was: "It's approaching from due east towards me. It seems to be playing some sort of game... flying at a speed I can't estimate. It's not an aircraft. It's...It is flying past. It is a long shape. I cannot identify more than that. It's coming for me right now." A minute later: "It seems to be stationary. I'm also orbiting and the thing is orbiting on top of me also. It has a green light and a sort of metallic light on the outside." Valentich then radioed that his engine was running roughly. His last words were: "It is not an aircraft."

The Australian Air Force said it had received 11 reports from people along the coast who said they saw UFOs on Saturday night, but the Transport Department was skeptical. Ken Williams, a spokesman for the department, said, "It's funny all these people ringing up with UFO reports well after Valentich's disappearance. It seems people often decide after the event, they too had seen strange lights. But although we can't take them too seriously, we can never discourgae such reports when investigating a plane's disappearance."

SNIP...

[font size="5"]ACTUAL TRANSCRIPTION OF MELBOURNE FLIGHT SERVICE [/font size]

The transcript portion of the communication between Valentich and Melbourne Flight Service as released by the Australian Department of Transport follows: (FS - Flight Service, DSJ - Frederick Valentich aircraft designation).
1906:14 DSJ Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet. Is there any known traffic below five thousand?

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, no known traffic.

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, I am, seems to be a large aircraft below five thousand.

1906:44 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, What type of aircraft is it?

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, I cannot affirm, it is four bright, it seems to me like landing lights.

1907 FS Delta Sierra Juliet.

1907:31 DSJ Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet, the aircraft has just passed over me at least a thousand feet above.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, and it is a large aircraft, confirmed?

DSJ Er-unknown, due to the speed it's travelling, is there any air force aircraft in the vicinity?

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, no known aircraft in the vicinity.

1908:18 DSJ Melbourne, it's approaching now from due east towards me.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet.

1908:41 DSJ (open microphone for two seconds.)

1908:48 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, it seems to me that he's playing some sort of game, he's flying over me two, three times at speeds I could not identify.

1909 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what is your actual level?

DSJ My level is four and a half thousand, four five zero zero.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, and you confirm you cannot identify the aircraft?

DSJ Affirmative.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, stand by.

1909:27 DSJ Melbourne, Delta Sierra Juliet, it's not an aircraft it is (open microphone for two seconds).

1909:42 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, can you describe the -er- aircraft?

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, as it's flying past it's a long shape (open microphone for three seconds) cannot identify more than it has such speed (open microphone for three seconds). It's before me right now Melbourne.

1910 FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger and how large would the - er - object be?

1910:19 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, Melbourne, it seems like it's stationary. What I'm doing right now is orbiting and the thing is just orbiting on top of me also. It's got a green light and sort of metallic like, it's all shiny on the outside.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet

1910:46 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet (open microphone for three seconds) It's just vanished.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet

1911 DSJ Melbourne, would you know what kind of aircraft I've got? Is it a military aircraft?

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, Confirm the - er ~ aircraft just vanished.

DSJ Say again.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, is the aircraft still with you?

DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet; it's (open microphone for two seconds) now approaching from the south-west.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet

1911:50 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet, the engine is rough-idling. I've got it set at twenty three twenty-four and the thing is coughing.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet, roger, what are your intentions?

DSJ My intentions are - ah - to go to King Island - ah - Melbourne. That strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again (open microphone for two seconds). It is hovering and it's not an aircraft.

FS Delta Sierra Juliet.

1912:28 DSJ Delta Sierra Juliet. Melbourne (open microphone for seventeen seconds).

SOURCE: http://www.ufocasebook.com/australianpilot.html

That is not the delegate count. Super delegates are not "real" until the convention. To list them with the delegate count is mis-information, a kind of propaganda. Rubbish. You should know better.

There is another OP about just this very issue. The head of the DNC on CNN is telling the guy interviewing him that they should NOT be included in the totals on those election nights, because they don't vote until the convention. The ONLY thing that is being chosen in the primary elections is the pledged delegates.
As I said, that article is slanted, biased and misleading. Period. I would think you would know better.