2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDear Charles Blow—The "Bernie or Bust" Movement is Not Bonkers: A NYTimes Rebuttal
And a #VoteBlueNoMatterWho Rebuttal.
http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/04/dear-charles-blowthe-bernie-or-bust-movement-is-no.html
It is abundantly clear that the Vote Blue No Matter Who crowd has no idea what Bernie or Bust is really about. Thats because theyre stuck in the narrative of insider politics of small gains for major sacrifices. Theirs is a losing game.
Bernie-Or-Busters are neither absolutist nor doctrinaire were honestly fed up. We recognize that so long as the narrative of incremental progress at the cost of unequal compromises continues, America will remain broken. There will never truly be a liberal party in this country if we keep practicing the same kind of transactional politics we have relied on since the 90s.
We need a narrative shift, and we need the Democratic Party to find its strength. We can no longer stand by while it cannibalizes itself, and meanders down the center line of a road that continually veers right.
TM99
(8,352 posts)That 'fledgling' progressive movement actually used to be the heart and soul of the Democratic Party before the Clinton DLC New Dems took over.
This isn't a fledging fucking movement of just a bunch of idealistic college kids. This is all generations, all races, all genders & orientations, who want the left to have an actual progressive Democratic Party instead of this center-right conservative one that controls the establishment politics in this two party system.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)crowd celebrate with their wealthy masters and literally do not care about those among us suffering. They will tell you that we must be pragmatic. That's their justification for ignoring those that are dying because they have no health care or poor health care.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)who lost his job about nine months ago. He has three kids with the youngest still under the age of 5. His wife takes care of the kids while he pounds the pavement daily, weekly, and now monthly to get a job. He literally couldn't get a job as a ditch digger because he is too old.
He makes a little teaching some martial arts classes. He pushed himself too hard and suffered an injury. So he couldn't even do that. In order to not lose their home or have their utilities turned off, he took a title loan on his six year old car. He got $4000.00 which will get him through at least two to three months. But this legal loan shark is charging him 155% annual interest. It is compounded daily until the loan is paid off. If he pays off the loan at the minimum payment amount over the next twelve months, he will end up paying $10,000 on a $4000.00 loan! And he had no choice. He had no living relatives who could help. He isn't religious so no connection to a church or temple. My SO and I tried to start a GoFundMe for them, but we don't really utilize Facebook so the reach wasn't far. I think we got them maybe $500.00 which barely covers one payment in May.
DWS is a supporter of these types of legal thieves. She is Clinton's right hand woman. This is neoliberalism at its finest. They only care about my buddy and his family because he is Latino, and they expect him to vote for her. He won't ever.
We are fighting for our lives, for our families' lives, and for our friend's lives. This isn't a game for us. This is so fucking real it makes me doubt that anything will ever change for the better.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)which means they can ignore those suffering.
TM99
(8,352 posts)him for not planning ahead, working hard enough, or some other conservative trope to excuse their utter lack of empathy.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)WTF does that even mean to an average person? Who thinks up this pablum? I cannot wait until the convention. I wish I was younger and could march with our team in Phil. I am confident that we will be heard. Debbie Wasserman Schultz is not going to be able to fix this thing forever.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)So I will repeat some things I once wrote, but now with a new unasked for Indy status and a new perspective, lacking a party even wanting my vote, and with it, lacking the usual outcome, an outcome that before would likely as usual have ended, after much uncomfortable soul searching and party loyalty, with the familiar and uncomfortable clothespin taken with me into the booth, now the ending is quite a bit further from such a certain outcome. The words below I've written before, but are relevant to your post rhett o rick:
So many in the party leadership and the party overall are comfortable and this place of comfort has made them cold to the reality that is daily life for a great many people.
They make many assumptions from ivory towers of middle class or wealth with little awareness it would seem of those that are lower middle class (quickly falling into poverty even tho they work harder with multiple McJobs than they did before lower middle class meant poverty).
As to the poor - they seem completely oblivious to them and convince themselves that welfare reform didn't harm anybody, I know Hill and Bill believe this, but it did and does to this day I assure you, it was not a pragmatic solution to a "welfare queen" problem handled well because a Democrat helped to all but destroy it. It will not be a brave pragmatic solution to "earned benefit queens" they will likely label SS beneficiaries, as they collude yet again with republicans to begin to shred these last vestiges of the new deal and great society.
They cause the poor to become poorer still while so many in the party applaud the politicians responsible. Their applause and support are what make them just as responsible as their political idols.
They think this is a game, or a sport with my team and their team, not realizing or caring that the ball that is tossed around in this sport is a child that only gets to eat at school and will soon lose that food, or the ball is an elderly widow or widower that can only afford to take their medicine every other day or maybe will freeze to death in a small flat during a winter they could not pay their gas bill (this happens ALREADY where I live).
There are many other balls tossed around for their sport and amusement, too many to list them all here, some are dead or dying, some are living under a tarp in a vacant lot hoping the cops don't roust them or the suburban teenagers don't decide to slum it and amuse themselves by assaulting them while laughing and taunting the "bum" for cell phone footage. Some of these comfortable people give advice to "the poor that in fact do OK" as a famous DLC Democrat once said. One of the Conservative DU posters once even suggested dumpster diving as a viable and reasonable option.
Too many of them applaud policies and politicians that make all these problems worse, they need to get it through their heads, many are dying and more will die of poverty, this is no game and the poor aren't doing OK, they are doing worse all the time with less help available all the time.
It is not serious, pragmatic, or brave to cause more people to suffer and die in poverty because it is referred to flippantly as "eating peas" or "being adult". It is not pragmatic even when the ones shipping away the jobs or destroying welfare "feel your pain". It never was bravery, but cowardice. It is not balanced when an increasing number of people fall into poverty and die while others become wealthier at an exponential rate.
The punditry, politicians, and comfortable may think it is a fun sport full of serious brave adults that make hard decisions.
Cowards all really, making easy decisions, easy because their decisions don't harm them, but rather the poor they barely acknowledge exist for the profit of the wealthy.
Sometimes they even have the gall to pat themselves on the back and reassure each other "the poor in fact do OK".
I feel very sincerely about these class and poverty issues, I give my loyalty completely to the forgotten, struggling and increasingly poor working classes that birthed me. You decide if that makes me disloyal to a party that has all but forgotten us save for donations and Pyrrhic election victories, because I will fight tooth and nail against any one of them or any elected Democrat that is harmful to my class, in other words harmful to most of America.
For these reasons and others, my loyalties now lie only with Bernie Sanders, politicians that share his views, and the revolution that is necessary if we are to fight and win against overwhelming odds, a fight I take on for my class, the very survival of countless people, and for a better future to leave behind for our younger generations.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Political Establishment My Ass.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)behind Bernie or Bust. They may be smart but they turn into half-wits on this matter.
"So you want Trump to win?"
Stupid.
kpola12
(78 posts)Many of us decided to never vote Republican or Democrat because we felt lied too and let down. Then Bernie came along and gave us hope for some honesty in politics. We wanted someone who cared about the 99% on not just filling their own pockets. Bernie is our candidate Hillary is not. Bernie's politics are what Democrats should strive for. The 1% has the Republicans to back their interests. This is a struggle for the heart of the Democratic party.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)I found this in the comments section.
Originaly posted on Facebook by John Crowe
I am Bernie or Bust. I keep hearing pundits and career politicians
tell me that Im behaving like a child because of this. Ive read the
critiques plastered all over the
internet about how I am simultaneously too immature to fully grasp the
political landscape and too privileged for my own good. I have been
lambasted for my inflexibility while being told to quietly acquiesce to
what these same pundits and career politicians are telling me whats
best for me. And through it all, I am Bernie or Bust.
I joined the U.S. Navy in November of 2001. When the Twin Towers fell, I
did the only thing I could think of: I enlisted. As the son of a career
soldier, I followed in his footstep to protect the country I loved from
terror. At the end of my 5-year enlistment for which I received an
honorable discharge I began working in the financial sector. I worked
for a Fortune 100 banking institution during the financial meltdown. I
used the G.I. Bill to attend undergrad. I am now a graduate student
making just over poverty wages. I have been well off, and I have been
flat broke. I say this not to garner an emotional response from you, but
because it is important that you understand that I was in the military
during a war, I was at a bank during the recession, and I am a student
during a time when even the government is trying to wring every last
penny out of me. It is for these reasons that I am Bernie or Bust. War
is horrific. The financial sector has run amok and there is no
oversight. And students on whom our future should be built cant
excel. And Im told that I have the mindset of an infant because Im
Bernie or Bust.
Im not going to patronize you by giving you a
breakdown on why Bernies message resonates so strongly with me. What I
will do is explain why it is offensive that the DNC, Hillarys
supporters, and the establishment believe that I owe them my allegiance.
Yes, I am a Democrat. But lets be very clear on one thing, neither
Bernie nor Hillary are. Bernie is a self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist
and Hillary is a Republican. However, due to our countrys two-party
system, they are both running as Democrats. And that is perfectly fine.
But neither of them is owed my vote. No party, institution, nor
individual is owed my vote. My vote is earned. And youre going to have
to work damn hard for it.
In America, the vanishing middle class
has so very little voice. Our purchasing power is one, and our vote is
another. So when I hear Bernie talking about class equality, student
loan debt, withdrawing from wars, environmental protections, equal
rights for LGBTQIA+, and an honest government, of course that resonates
with any rational person. But, and this is more important, when I look
at his record and see that he has, for the better part of 5 decades,
fought on the right side of history for all of these things, that earns
my vote. When I hear Hillary talking about class equality, student loan
debt, withdrawing from wars, environmental protections, equal rights for
LGBTQIA+, and an honest government, of course that resonates with any
rational person. But when I look at her record and see how she has
failed so miserably on every. single. one. of these topics, that does
not earn my vote. You see, I dont have to vote for a Democrat. I dont
have to make sure the party stays in power. Because its not my party.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the DNC, and the corporate media have made
sure of that. And, look, I get it. Bernie wont make deals. He wont
play your shell game. And that pisses you off. It should. Because once
We The People begin to have our revolution, the echo chamber you have on
Capitol Hill will be drowned out with Our voices. And that just wont
do. So, yes, Im Bernie or Bust. Not because Im a petulant child who
will take my toys and go home if my candidate doesnt receive the
nomination. But because I understand all too well what is at stake. So
yell at us. Tell us were wrong. Educate us on how you think we should
understand the role of government in our lives. Convince us that you
know whats best for us. Please. Youve been trying for months and you
are failing. You discounted us, then you derided us, now youre trying
to convince us we dont exist. But we do. We are Bernie or Bust.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Do you think its author would object if his explanation went viral?