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we have five weeks to organize California (Original Post) reddread Apr 2016 OP
Then what? JaneyVee Apr 2016 #1
Whats the point? yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #2
are you a California voter discouraged from voting? reddread Apr 2016 #4
pardon me if I say Bullpucky yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #5
it has been for centuries reddread Apr 2016 #15
THIS FUCKING COUNTRY is no better than yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #19
untaxed illegal income? reddread Apr 2016 #26
The People Are GETTING IT! The MORE Bernie Presses "The System" And ITS Anointed Candidate, The MORE CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #24
that is the HUGE thing! reddread Apr 2016 #28
dont give up Yui, California is going to show us what's possible. We have to push litlbilly Apr 2016 #7
You don't get it, the entire process yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #14
we all get it reddread Apr 2016 #18
WHAT AM i GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #23
Im 62, been around awhile, I get it. But I also get we have to push for what we believe litlbilly Apr 2016 #22
no i will not hang in there...its all fixed yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #27
I hear you. If we give up on this country where else is there? We can lead the world in one of litlbilly Apr 2016 #31
I have given up on this country yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #38
I met my wife in Hawaii, have lots of asian friends. I kind of feal where youre coming from. litlbilly Apr 2016 #41
You know ... nolawarlock Apr 2016 #35
I WAS BORN HERE! yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #43
You know this happens every election cycle anigbrowl Apr 2016 #30
Sheesh! If you're so done with politics, why are you still going on? nolawarlock Apr 2016 #33
I won't even yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #48
That's what they want you to believe, yuiyo... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #49
I AM DONE!! yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #52
Okay... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #55
yes, we are about to reach critical mass hopemountain Apr 2016 #67
That's what Bernie is fighting, OF COURSE they'll say that. Common sense man. Joob Apr 2016 #62
She will have clinched by then. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #3
Ive been saying all along, Oregon and California will be the end for Hillary. litlbilly Apr 2016 #6
the hardest part for me would be taking the word of proven liars who say "we won" reddread Apr 2016 #8
I hear ya. litlbilly Apr 2016 #10
Um....... Whaaaaaa? Zynx Apr 2016 #9
That, and her e-mail server... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #53
Desperate is such a unique smell. nolawarlock Apr 2016 #11
found my ignore button, did ya? reddread Apr 2016 #13
Like I care. nolawarlock Apr 2016 #17
its people like you yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #16
I appreciate your passionate fire for this candidate. However ... nolawarlock Apr 2016 #20
you BEEN AN yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #21
Yeah, ok. nolawarlock Apr 2016 #25
DO YOU THINK YOU CAN MAKE THOSE BIGGER? yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #29
So it's ok for you to call me stupid, nolawarlock Apr 2016 #32
I CALL THE SITUATION STUPID yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #34
Nobody is making you blather on. nolawarlock Apr 2016 #36
You would yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #40
Hey, nolawarlock Apr 2016 #42
"YOU FOLKS" yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #45
What about how you are? nolawarlock Apr 2016 #51
and what are you going to do about it, tough guy yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #54
Laugh, mostly! LOL nolawarlock Apr 2016 #56
I know what you are yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #57
Why not email it to me? nolawarlock Apr 2016 #60
If you were going to say I was a paid brock troll, nolawarlock Apr 2016 #61
really? MFM008 Apr 2016 #63
I'm not trying to be annoying. nolawarlock Apr 2016 #66
A waste of time and resources Tarc Apr 2016 #12
It's a waste of time for you to being saying that... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #50
Not to Weaver and Devine NobodyHere Apr 2016 #58
We'll be voting for Hillary. grossproffit Apr 2016 #37
Ask me anything, cause I've just worked my ass off in PA... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #39
Who's that WillyT? Or is that WillyH? I can never remember. nolawarlock Apr 2016 #44
Ask the next agent... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #46
LOL! nolawarlock Apr 2016 #47
Have you listened to the Joe DiGenova video from c=span? lmbradford Apr 2016 #59
Old Joe MFM008 Apr 2016 #65
No, it is not an eternity. LOL. Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #64

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
2. Whats the point?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:05 PM
Apr 2016

They have already said its over. That nothing California does will make any matter at all. I am done with politics. Its all corrupt and big money influenced. I am sure there will be voter suppression here as well... I am waiting for it, I am done with it.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
4. are you a California voter discouraged from voting?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:27 PM
Apr 2016

I sure hope not.
California will lead the way again.
thank you New York!

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
15. it has been for centuries
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:03 PM
Apr 2016

but the last half century tells us enough to know where the problem is.
hell, the last 20 years do.
what they did to America.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
19. THIS FUCKING COUNTRY is no better than
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:05 PM
Apr 2016

a banana Republic, no better than some back water south america country where the all OF IT is bought and paid for, probably bought by all the cocaine they been smuggling in since the war on drugs started.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
24. The People Are GETTING IT! The MORE Bernie Presses "The System" And ITS Anointed Candidate, The MORE
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:12 PM
Apr 2016

INFORMED THE PEOPLE BECOME! THE CAT IS CLIMBING OUTA THE DAMN BAG! THE SHIT IS EXPOSED! ALL OF IT!

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
28. that is the HUGE thing!
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:16 PM
Apr 2016

it is and it has been all along.
his future successes may be massive, but to date he
has done yeoman's work exposing the rot, and we need to
set the bar higher for voter information and stem the heavy hand of corporate
control. It is not too hard to explain or discuss the quality of our news services
when discussing Bernie Sanders candidacy.
hit them where they live.
their bullshit reputations.
they hate that shit.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
7. dont give up Yui, California is going to show us what's possible. We have to push
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:57 PM
Apr 2016

as hard as we can and not let up.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
14. You don't get it, the entire process
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:02 PM
Apr 2016

is bought and paid for. This country is no better than some backwater, south American Banana Republic. The fix was in long time ago, and Frankly I am done with politics.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
18. we all get it
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:04 PM
Apr 2016

some apparently more than others.
it is a charade and a puppet show and a dog and pony sex act.
now what are you going to do about it?

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
23. WHAT AM i GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:11 PM
Apr 2016

WHAT ALL MY fellow Asian grand parents have been telling us for years, ...its ALL Corrupt. all of it, and we may as well go back to the silence we gave when we first came to this country.. keep our heads down low and be invisible. You guys own the system... shit, we may as all go back to Asia for all I care.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
22. Im 62, been around awhile, I get it. But I also get we have to push for what we believe
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:07 PM
Apr 2016

no matter what happens. No one has crossed the finish line yet. Think of how far we have come with EVERYBODY
AGAINST US. Kind of amazing if you ask me. Please, hang in there with the rest of us and don't despair.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
27. no i will not hang in there...its all fixed
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:15 PM
Apr 2016

Its rigged to the max. Both Republicans and Democrats doing voter suppression, whose the good guy? WHose the bad guy? no one because they are all doing it, I had enough of politics for a life time! I am going back to doing what I always done, is be in tuned with MY culture, cause I hate what this country has become. No better than some back water, south american banana Republic. And, its treats its people that way too. I am done.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
31. I hear you. If we give up on this country where else is there? We can lead the world in one of
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:20 PM
Apr 2016

two ways. Become the humanitarian place we should be, or total useless corrupt piece of crap it has become. I believe this is our last shot. If we screw this up, we become Somalia at best. I get that its rigged, has been for a long while. People are finally
waking up to that fact. This is our only chance to maybe fix it. Just me being optomistic

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
38. I have given up on this country
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:24 PM
Apr 2016

and its people like some in this thread who forced MY FRIENDS off this websites. The few Asians that are here, they forced them off. I don't even know why I bother to stay, except I want to help people understand my culture.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
35. You know ...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:23 PM
Apr 2016

Putting aside how much you just insulted South America, if you think our country is such a backwater (one word by the way) banana republic, why are you here?

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
43. I WAS BORN HERE!
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:31 PM
Apr 2016

just like you to question an Asian American as to why they are here and why don't you go back to fucking Asia, if you don't like it. SO now you are exposed. I am so glad people will now see that and YOU CAN'T FUCKING take it back.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
30. You know this happens every election cycle
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:19 PM
Apr 2016

CA votes late and the result is often already obvious by the time it does. I mean sure it's still technically possible for Sanders to win if lots of states vote for him by enormous margins, but the probability of that happening is very very low. In the aggregate people are very predictable, so while you can't be sure of the outcome of any given contest you can generally predict whether it's going to be close or not, barring major surprises like a candidate dropping out suddenly.

There are other explanations besides the possibility that it's all rigged. Public choice theory basically argues that politics and governance is so damn complicated that the vast majority of voters can't be bothered to figure it out and vote on the shallowest possible criteria like which candidate is more charismatic. Rational irrationality theory argues that since many people's votes don't actually count due to demographics (eg being a Dem ina deep red state or vice versa) that people actually have an incentive to vote perversely.

Political science is quite interesting when you bear in mind that humans are biological creatures and are surprisingly predictable on the group level.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
49. That's what they want you to believe, yuiyo...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:46 PM
Apr 2016

Please consider that my heart has been bent, folded and mutilated over years. You are getting a sense of what happens when people are severely threatened.

The point is, they have all the paid trolls out now wanting you to be distracted. I would put them all on ignore so that you can talk to sane people here. I don't give a crap to deal with them, and neither should you.

That way, you'll find out that what you are feeling now is just a result of a bunch of jackasses trying to discourage you. Trolls...

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
67. yes, we are about to reach critical mass
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:56 AM
Apr 2016

and power to the people and it will not be overpowered by rovian tricks.

Joob

(1,065 posts)
62. That's what Bernie is fighting, OF COURSE they'll say that. Common sense man.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:11 AM
Apr 2016

You know there's a path, you know they want you and all voters to THINK the way you do. You fall right into the palm of their hands like a little sheep. They don't want you to vote unless it's for Their candidate. It's not over. Nevr give up, Never surrender! Hell, it'll just be getting started after the nominee is chosen and guess what? They don't choose the narrative if we know it's being written. We, the people choose that. So I suggest you stand up for your right to vote, be bold.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
8. the hardest part for me would be taking the word of proven liars who say "we won"
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:58 PM
Apr 2016

before the race begun.
and over and over.
Oh, NOW you're right.

Mind if I double check?

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
53. That, and her e-mail server...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:49 PM
Apr 2016

One of the worst SOS mistakes. How could anyone be that irresponsible?

Poor decision making ... I think we've seen enough of that shit.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
17. Like I care.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:04 PM
Apr 2016

It's not like a Facebook block. All it really means is that I'll have the last word on anything you and I disagree on and you think I should be concerned about that?

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
21. you BEEN AN
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:07 PM
Apr 2016

instigator since day one. I don't have to listen to any of the stuff you say.. and i am REALLY holding myself back for saying what I really think. YOUR GRAVE DANCING SUCKS.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
25. Yeah, ok.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:13 PM
Apr 2016

I came on here talking about my very serious concerns about Bernie's vatican visit, most of which hadn't even been addressed, which were my concerns and issues and not some Hillary party line and I got called a paid troll, a sock account for other people, stupid, slow, and every other horrid thing. Look at my post history. I started out rather nice, but hey, I give as good as I get. You Bernie people have literally heaped abuse on me for weeks and every other Hillary supporter here for months and I've been lurking here since '08 so I've seen how this all has gone down over the past year and it's disgusting.

So why hold back? Take your best shot.

And, short of the way so many you have treated Hillary's fans on this site, I don't care what you think of me, or of what I do, or what I don't do. Say whatever you like. It's all been said before.

And finally, kudos to one of you finally admitting that it is a grave. His campaign is done.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
32. So it's ok for you to call me stupid,
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:20 PM
Apr 2016

... so long as you do it in Japanese?

I'm glad I understand the rules.

Did you miss this one?



Yeah, that's your candidate.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
42. Hey,
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:28 PM
Apr 2016

I'm sure you folks enjoyed fraudulently timing out and hiding me and numerous other Hillary supporters . Just cuz you throw the steak on the table doesn't mean you get to say how we season it.

I've never started a fight, but I sure have finished a few.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
51. What about how you are?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:48 PM
Apr 2016

You've insulted our country, insulted Hillary supporters, insulted our process and pretty much insulted whatever you could insult. And you're concerned about how *I* am?

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
60. Why not email it to me?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016

Your inner feelings are starting to mean something to me and I want you to feel like you can share.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
61. If you were going to say I was a paid brock troll,
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:06 AM
Apr 2016

Yeah, I hear that's against TOS or something, but I and a so many others have been called that so many times that I can't even count how many so if that's whatcha got, don't worry. They won't hide you.

If it's some bigoted commentary about my beliefs or lifestyle, that's just rich since you only know it because I got sick of being called a paid troll. I guess I can't win for losing, can I?

MFM008

(19,808 posts)
63. really?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:11 AM
Apr 2016

Im a HRC supporter.

look we all can read the numbers.
No need to be exceptionally annoying.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
66. I'm not trying to be annoying.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:36 AM
Apr 2016

I'm just tired of being put on the defensive with abusive hides and constant accusations, but ultimately it's just not that important to me what these people think. The most extreme among them were never, ever going to vote for Hillary. They are the types who vote Green and only joined in on the Bernie brigade because he was pretty much a Green.

I think the ones who can come together in all of this WILL come together because NONE of them are going to want Trump.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
39. Ask me anything, cause I've just worked my ass off in PA...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:26 PM
Apr 2016

I have a few messages... They're from my heart and someone else's heart near and dear to you and no longer expressing himself here.

My message: Take time off from work if you're not unemployed and get into this FULL as you can. I worked hard under a Sanders field director to contact others and then get out the vote. Lots of people will tell you they will help, and if you don't STAY on them, they will get off task. It's like being a teacher. Keep it together and be organized while being your nice self.

The other message...

"Never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never—in nothing, great or small, large or petty—never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense."


I love you, California. I hope my nephew is reading this instead of gaming.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
59. Have you listened to the Joe DiGenova video from c=span?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016

He is on Washington Journal and he answers a lot of legal questions and gives a lot of insight into what is going on with those servers. He says it isn't about email classification, it is about espionage. You should check it out.

Link http://www.c-span.org/video/?406228-4/washington-journal-joseph-digenova-hillary-clinton-emails

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