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Who does the Air Force and Navy want as Commander-in-Chief: Bernie Sanders! (Original Post) Skwmom Apr 2016 OP
There Ya Go! Experience... AND Exceptional JUDGEMENT! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #1
Bernie HAs Demonstrated Foresight AND Judgement... Hillary ehhh NOT So MUCH! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #2
He has also exibited far more experience and has been far more effective, regardless of the GOP myth Dragonfli Apr 2016 #6
Outstanding Post Dragonfli! and oh, Goldwater Would Have Been So Proud of his Prodigy 2banon Apr 2016 #10
Just as proud as Robert Kagan and Henry Kissinger are, I am sure, they all taught her evil well /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #12
This needs its own post! pinebox Apr 2016 #11
I agree! 2banon Apr 2016 #13
I'd agree except, it is only half my work, I added some content from other postings and articles Dragonfli Apr 2016 #15
Well there you go. But they are mainly just "dumb millenials" who will actually have to fight any.. actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #3
Because the people that actually served know better. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #4
Yeap, for that group of people Donald Trump and Bernie Sander are very popular and it shows in the uponit7771 Apr 2016 #5
Especially interesting because Bernie's opponent is a war hawk and he isn't. senz Apr 2016 #7
Yup, they're not impressed with a chickenhawk who lies and said she tried to join the Marines jfern Apr 2016 #8
I know! lmbradford Apr 2016 #9
K & R AzDar Apr 2016 #14
this is a voodoo poll dsc Apr 2016 #16
My neighbors son enlistment ends in June. He said he was getting out of B Calm Apr 2016 #17
Bernie's work for veterans hasn't gone unnoticed. Vinca Apr 2016 #18
As a former Marine, I believe that Bernie would make the best Commander in Chief. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #19
What's the margin of error? NurseJackie Apr 2016 #20

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
6. He has also exibited far more experience and has been far more effective, regardless of the GOP myth
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:05 AM
Apr 2016

Not to say Hillary Clinton did not achieve some things during her six year hobby involved in legislating (the last two were spent campaigning and fundraising)

She did manage to vote for the Patriot Act, for an illegal war, and even whip some votes with her passionate selling of the Bush/Cheney lies. (she deserves some credit for that,) and those of you that enjoy war should be and are rightfully quite proud of that.

As a Senator Clinton did get some things accomplished, Clinton sponsored three bills that became law: S.3145, S.3613, and S.1241. The first of these renamed a highway in New York state, the second renamed a post office in New York City, and the third established the Kate Mullany National Historic Site in Troy, New York and authorized funding to set the site up.

To be truly fair, she also tried to put an end to the epidemic of flag burning and ban some media, but these, her most favorite things were too hard for her to get done, she just couldn't get them passed, she may have lacked the chops to do it, but BUT SHE TRIED REAL HARD!

The United States Family Entertainment Protection Act (FEPA) was a bill introduced by Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY), and co-sponsored by Senators Joe Lieberman (D-CT), Tim Johnson (D-SD) and Evan Bayh (D-IN) on November 29, 2005. The bill called for a federal mandate enforcement of the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) ratings.

Unsuccessfully unfortunately for the more puritan among us, sigh, if only she were more effective at passing such laws, we would finally be safe from cluster bombs, eerr.. I mean f-bombs (she voted against ending the use of child killing cluster bombs, my "misspeak" or my bad, if you prefer) she likes cluster bombs, so much so that after some donations to very, very, special charity, she made sure as SoS to sell cluster bombs to those altruistic rulers of Saudi Arabia! She deserves credit for that!

The kids just love playing with those rather than video games.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2008/03/13/cluster-bombs-are-not-good-children-hillary

This is a common result



I believe she has always been a neocon, and an Neo-liberal, (yay a twofer!) and everything she has done in politics supports this.

The following is a list of every substantive bill and amendment Sanders sponsored from the floor of Congress that became law (substantive meaning legislation renaming post offices is not included). Many of the roll-call amendments he passed with majority approval — like limiting the federal government’s ability to spy on people’s library records — were removed from bills when the House and Senate negotiated over the final legislative text and did not become law.

Because the list is derived from Congress’ official database of floor actions, it does not include achievements like his insertion of funding for veterans health care into an Iraq war spending bill because that occurred off of the House floor while the bill was in conference. Nor does the list include what is perhaps his most significant achievement — providing health care to an additional 10 million mostly low-income Americans by getting Senate majority leader Harry Reid to add $11 billion in funding for community health centers that provide care regardless of a person’s ability to pay to the 2010 Affordable Care Act in exchange for Sanders rallying liberal Democrats who were considering voting against the bill once conservative Democrats removed the public option.

Those who mistakenly believe that a President Sanders would be powerless in the face of a hostile Republican Congress should bear in mind that he managed to pass these bills and amendments in spite of Republican control of both the House (1995-2006) and the presidency (2001-2008). Furthermore, it was Republicans in the House and Senate who compromised with him (not the other way around) on major veterans legislation in 2014. His original bill expanding services for veterans and fixing the scandal-ridden Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) cost $17.3 billion. The price tag of the final compromise bill? $16.3 billion.

H.R.4206 (Cancer Registries Amendment Act) enacted as S. 3312 (Cancer Registries Amendment Act).

H.Amdt. 98 to H.R. 665 (Victims of Justice Act of 1995)

H.Amdt. 210 to H.R. 830 (Paperwork Reduction Act of 1995)

H.Amdt. 1203 to H.R. 3666 Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, and Independent Agencies Appropriations Act, 1997

H.J.Res.129 enacted as S.J.Res.38 (A joint resolution granting the consent of Congress to the Vermont-New Hampshire Interstate Public Water Supply Compact)

H.Amdt.174 to H.R.1757 (Foreign Affairs Reform and Restructuring Act of 1998)

H.Amdt.267 to H.R.2160 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1998)

H.Amdt.289 to H.R.2266 (Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 1998) -- National Guard Starbase program

H.Amdt.368 to H.R.2378 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 1998) -- Prohibit funds for the U.S. Customs Office from being used to allow the importation into the U.S. any material mined, produced, or manufactured by forced or indentured child labor.

H.Amdt.388 to H.R.2267 (Departments of Commerce, Justice, and State, the Judiciary, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1998)

H.Amdt.569 to H.R.6 (Higher Education Amendments of 1998)

H.Amdt.614 to H.R.3694 (Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1999) -- Reduce the intelligence budget for fiscal year 1999 by 5% with an exemption for the CIA Retirement and Disability Fund.

H.Amdt.626 to H.R.10 (Financial Services Act of 1998) -- Require the Comptroller General to report to Congress regarding the efficacy and benefits of uniformly limiting any commissions, fees, markups, or other costs incurred by customers in the acquisition of financial products.

H.Amdt.706 to H.R.4101 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1999) -- Increase funding for nutrition programs for senior citizens by $10 million

H.Amdt.708 to H.R.4103 (Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 1999) -- Prohibit funding to be used to enter into or renew a contract with any company owned, or partially owned, by the People’s Republic of China or the People’s Liberation Army of the People’s Republic of China.

H.Amdt.724 to H.R.4104 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 1999) enacted as H.R. 2490 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 2000) -- National Archives and Records Administration improvements

H.Amdt.127 to H.R.1906 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000)

H.Amdt.136 to H.R.1906 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000) -- national pilot program to promote agritourism

H.Amdt.258 to H.R.2466 (Department of the Interior and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000) enacted as H.R.3194 (Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2000) -- deficit reduction; and reduces fossil energy research and development funding

H.Amdt.442 to H.R.2684 (Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, and Independent Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000) -- health care services for veterans in rural areas

H.Amdt.791 to H.R.4577 (Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2001) -- (relating to the availability to the public of an invention and its benefits on reasonable terms)

H.Amdt.818 to H.R.4578 (Department of the Interior and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2001) -- weatherization assistance and energy conservation programs and reduce fossil fuel energy research and development programs

H.Amdt.238 to H.R.2590 (Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act, 2002) -- Prohibit the importation of goods made by forced or indentured child labor.

H.Amdt.376 to H.R.3061 (Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2002) -- relating to the availability to the public of an invention and its benefits on reasonable terms

H.Amdt.404 to H.R.3338 (Department of Defense and Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Recovery from and Response to Terrorist Attacks on the United States Act, 2002) -- Provide $100 million for federally qualified community health centers.

H.Amdt.255 to H.R.2691 (Department of the Interior and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2004) -- Increase funding for weatherization assistance grants

H.Amdt.336 to H.R.2861 (Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, and Independent Agencies Appropriations Act, 2004) enacted as H.R.2673 (Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2004) -- Prohibit the use of funds in the bill to implement any policy prohibiting the Directors of the Veterans Integrated Service Networks from conducting outreach or marketing to enroll new veterans within their respective networks.

S.Amdt.737 to H.R.1591 (U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans’ Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007) -- fund weatherization assistance program

S.Amdt.1515 to H.R.6 (Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007) -- Establish an energy efficiency and renewable energy worker training program

S.Amdt.1525 to H.R.6 (Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007) -- use of solar hot water heaters in certain Federal buildings

S.Amdt.4384 to H.R.3221 (Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008) -- Increase specially adapted housing benefits for disabled veterans.

S.Amdt.1658 to S.1390 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010) -- re child care available to deployed members of the reserve components of the Armed Forces

S.Amdt.2271 to H.R.2997 (Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2010) -- funds for the school community garden pilot program

S.Amdt.2601 to H.R.3326 (Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2010) -- veteran outreach and reintegration services

S.Amdt.3738 to S.3217 (Restoring American Financial Stability Act of 2010) -- let the American people know the names of the recipients of over $2 trillion in taxpayer assistance from the Federal Reserve System

S.Amdt.306 to H.R.1 (American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009) -- Require recipients of TARP funding to meet strict H-1B worker hiring standard to ensure non-displacement of U.S. workers

S.Amdt.1658 to S.1390 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010) -- report to Congress on financial assistance for child care available to deployed members of the reserve components of the Armed Forces.

S.Amdt.4280 to H.R.4899 (Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2010) -- make publicly available the contractor integrity performance database established under the Clean Contracting Act of 2008

S.2450 (Veterans’ Access to Care through Choice, Accountability, and Transparency Act of 2014) enacted as H.R.3230 (Veterans Access, Choice, and Accountability Act of 2014) -- VA reform bill

S.893 (Veterans’ Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2013) -- increase rates of veterans’ disability compensation, additional compensation for dependents, etc.

S.Amdt.2146 to S.1471 (Alicia Dawn Koehl Respect for National Cemeteries Act) – re interring the remains and honoring the memory of a person in a national cemetery


[center][font size="4" ; color="8B0000"]Also, compare her record to this [/font][/center]

So far I have posted this or variations of it (about 9 times):

The Right Wing implication appears to be that even with all his years of public service, a progressive like Bernie Sanders was too far to the left to accomplish anything.

That one has to be able to find the buypartisan way, in other words, adopt the least offensive GOP legislation as your own if you wish to accomplish anything, if one is not a member of the Republican party itself.

The problem with this bullshit GOP meme is that it is completely false, he's actually one of the most effective members of Congress, passing bills, of all sizes and shapes, that have reshaped American policy on key issues like poverty, the environment and health care.

[center][font size=3"]The Amendment King[/font][/center]

....Congress is not known to be a progressive institution lately, to say the least. Over the past few decades, the House of Representatives was only controlled by the Democrats from 2007 to 2010, and a flood of corporate money has quieted the once-powerful progressive movement that passed legislation moving the country forward between the New Deal era and the Great Society. Yet, as difficult as it may be to believe, a socialist from Vermont is one of its most accomplished members. ....

snip

....Sanders did something particularly original, which was that he passed amendments that were exclusively progressive, advancing goals such as reducing poverty and helping the environment, and he was able to get bipartisan coalitions of Republicans who wanted to shrink government or hold it accountable and progressives who wanted to use it to empower Americans.

Here are a few examples of the amendments Sanders passed by building unusual but effective coalitions:....


[font color="red"]Much more, but due to the three paragraph rule you will have to follow this link[/font]
I dare those that pretend the GOP meme is true and are spreading it for them, to read the article!

There are so many examples in fact that you really need to read the entire article as it completely dispels this current Right Wing myth that Bernie Sanders after all his time in Congress achieved almost nothing, when in fact he was literally one of the most effective members of Congress! Read the facts in the article itself, clearly the GOP is spreading lies about him, after all, who besides Rove and the GOP would use such lying sleazy bullshit tactics against someone that helped Democrats get as much progressive policy put into effect during his tenure?...


[font size="3"][center]Robert Reich, Clinton Secretary of Labor, on Bernie's effectiveness in Congress[/font][/center]



He was also very effective as Mayor

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511758469
 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
10. Outstanding Post Dragonfli! and oh, Goldwater Would Have Been So Proud of his Prodigy
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:59 AM
Apr 2016


So glad to see you here..

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
12. Just as proud as Robert Kagan and Henry Kissinger are, I am sure, they all taught her evil well /nt
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:26 AM
Apr 2016

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
15. I'd agree except, it is only half my work, I added some content from other postings and articles
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:44 AM
Apr 2016

I don't do OPs unless I write every word myself, I don't even post articles as OPs. (the usual excerpts and links), not that such is unimportant or unnecessary, but others do a very fine job of that here.

No rule against it, but my OPs are my own thoughts and beliefs, original works, and I collect them as such.

I intend that they will someday be, after appropriate editing, a short book of essays and articles. That I wish to self publish and give away to my poor neighbors and their kids, (possibly in other poor areas as well) - my legacy I suppose, meant to let them and their children know that some of us cared and tried to effect change for the better in a quixotic yet sincere effort to avoid the bleak future that they already face and which will likely grow ever worse.

I have also written a couple OP EDs and LTTEs locally under my own name that will be in that short collection.

actslikeacarrot

(464 posts)
3. Well there you go. But they are mainly just "dumb millenials" who will actually have to fight any..
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:12 PM
Apr 2016

...of Hillary's wars. You know, actually have skin in the game so who cares what they think?

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
4. Because the people that actually served know better.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:40 PM
Apr 2016

But the keyboard warriors that send our people overseas to die know best. We need a campaign ad with a vet talking about the horrors they saw tears streaming out interlaced with Hillary laughing at death and talking proud about the killing she condoned. Last election our party seemed to care about vets, but seems we are once more on the cusp of being the cowards that send our own overseas to kill and die while talking about love. I tried to sign up 8 years ago and my own family cried and begged me to stay until I gave in. I was tired of seeing others serve and get tossed to the side and felt we needed to do something. Those same people that begged me to stay voted for Hillary. Aspects of our party make me sick.



uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
5. Yeap, for that group of people Donald Trump and Bernie Sander are very popular and it shows in the
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:42 PM
Apr 2016

... primaries too.

Unfortunately for them that's no longer the make up of America

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
7. Especially interesting because Bernie's opponent is a war hawk and he isn't.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:23 AM
Apr 2016

I guess they've seen too many bogus, unnecessary wars and prefer a CIC who is responsible enough to understand the seriousness and sacrifice involved.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
8. Yup, they're not impressed with a chickenhawk who lies and said she tried to join the Marines
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:25 AM
Apr 2016

And claims she was under sniper fire.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
9. I know!
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:35 AM
Apr 2016

My daughter is an Airman in the AF. She is a huge Bernie supporter. I cannot stand the idea of Clinton being in charge of my daughter's life. We have to get Bernie elected.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
16. this is a voodoo poll
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:31 AM
Apr 2016

and yes I would say that if it said Hillary was their choice. Voluntary samples, which is what this is, are not polls no matter how pretty the charts are.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
17. My neighbors son enlistment ends in June. He said he was getting out of
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:42 AM
Apr 2016

the Army because he fears Hillary might win. He likes Bernie.

Vinca

(50,271 posts)
18. Bernie's work for veterans hasn't gone unnoticed.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:45 AM
Apr 2016

Even my sole Republican friend, a Vietnam vet, gives him props.

Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
19. As a former Marine, I believe that Bernie would make the best Commander in Chief.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:45 AM
Apr 2016

Thanks for the thread, Skwmom.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
20. What's the margin of error?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:46 AM
Apr 2016
The results — based on responses from 931 active-duty troops, reservists and members of the National Guard — do not offer a scientific status of military voting preferences.


Oh! There it is! ... 100%.



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