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RandySF

(58,823 posts)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:59 AM Apr 2016

Don’t worry; Sanders will bow out gracefully

Recalling this serene end to the bitter and extended 2008 Democratic primary battle, I’m not inclined to join in all the hand-wringing about the damage Bernie Sanders is doing to Clinton’s chances in November by remaining in the race.

Tempers flared this week after a Sanders supporter, actress Rosario Dawson, mentioned Monica Lewinsky at a campaign rally. Rep. Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., a Clinton supporter, demanded Sanders tell his supporters “to stop providing aid and comfort to Donald Trump and the Republican Party.”

This, in turn, caused Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver to accuse the Clinton campaign and her supporters of using “language reserved for traitors to our country.”

Why the hysteria? It doesn’t matter if Sanders continues his candidacy until the last votes are cast in June. What matters is that he quits gracefully, and there should be every expectation that he will, for a simple reason: Sanders is not a fool.

Sanders showed no sign of retreat Tuesday night, even as Clinton extended her lead by winning the night’s biggest prize, Pennsylvania, as well as Maryland, Delaware and Connecticut; Sanders won only Rhode Island. He gave a defiant, hour-long speech in which he said he was “taking on the most powerful political organization in America.” The reference to Clinton drew boos.

Sanders sounded like an extortionist Monday night when he said Clinton, if she won the nomination, would have to earn his supporters’ votes by embracing single-payer health care, free college tuition and a carbon tax — all things Clinton rejected in her (successful) campaign against Sanders.

But seconds later, Sanders, prodded by the moderator, MSNBC’s Chris Hayes, added a qualifier: “I will do everything in my power to make sure that no Republican gets into the White House in this election cycle.”

That’s the crucial part. Sanders wants to exert maximum leverage to move Clinton toward his populist policies. But he is a practical man, and he certainly doesn’t wish to see a President Trump or President Cruz. This is why there’s no cause for all the fuss over him remaining in the race until he is mathematically eliminated.

Elimination is coming. Even before Clinton padded her lead with Tuesday night’s wins, Sanders needed to win 59 percent of remaining delegates, or 71 percent if you include superdelegates. That isn’t going to happen.


http://registerguard.com/rg/opinion/34313850-78/dont-worry-sanders-will-bow-out-gracefully.html.csp

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Don’t worry; Sanders will bow out gracefully (Original Post) RandySF Apr 2016 OP
Which percentage of the remaining delegates does Hillary have to win? merrily Apr 2016 #1
Hillary only needs 36% of the remaining delegates GreydeeThos Apr 2016 #7
Thanks. That's nothing like what I've been seeing. merrily Apr 2016 #8
What you're seeing firebrand80 Apr 2016 #9
No, treating super delegates like pledged delegates is the sleight of hand, esp. when that is not merrily Apr 2016 #10
SDs can vote however they want firebrand80 Apr 2016 #11
I've been seeing %s in the 60s for Hillary. Comparing apples to oranges without disclosure... merrily Apr 2016 #12
I don't know how else to explain it firebrand80 Apr 2016 #13
Speaking of comprehension issues, I didn't ask you to explain it another way. merrily Apr 2016 #14
"Just wait a few weeks, it will become clear soon." NCTraveler Apr 2016 #19
That "slight of hand" RandySF Apr 2016 #34
Um, no. My comment was very specific to what the poster, and only the poster, posted, in merrily Apr 2016 #35
Bernie's got two choices. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #2
I don't know if Sanders will meet your definition of 'gracefully' Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #3
But which committees will he be on ... if at all? NurseJackie Apr 2016 #15
Sanders said he'll do anything in his power Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #18
Campaigning "against Trump" ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #21
He never has campaigned for Democrats. Didn't thru out this process. I do not know why we keep seabeyond Apr 2016 #24
Sanders endorsed Jesse Jackson in 1988 and Obama Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #27
He wanted to run someone against Obama in '12. And big whoop. He endorsed. He has never seabeyond Apr 2016 #28
In 2012, Sanders spoke at an Obama rally in VT. Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #40
I think he meant that he's going to tell Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #25
Well, let's hope that's the case. I welcome his active support for our nominee ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #30
That depends on how the election goes Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #16
His current term is through 2018. NT Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #17
NanceGreggs, Quality human PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #4
NanceGreggs, Democrat. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #6
This! grossproffit Apr 2016 #26
False Dichotomy hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #29
Oh, I think you do give a rat's ass. frylock Apr 2016 #37
Don't go away mad, Bernie mwrguy Apr 2016 #5
there should be no doubt about this - he will be gracious in his exit DrDan Apr 2016 #20
Sanders has integrity. joshcryer Apr 2016 #22
Once Sanders is out on the campaign trail for the party, the bitterness will fade Tarc Apr 2016 #23
Supporting Hillary will be like supporting the Republican candidate because she is not INdemo Apr 2016 #31
Your cookie-cutter rhetoric failed to impress the voters during the campaign Tarc Apr 2016 #32
rhetoric? The truth about Hillary has not changed for 22 years INdemo Apr 2016 #39
"Sanders sounded like an extortionist Monday night..." What an asshat thing to write. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #33
There's a fine line between exerting leverage texstad79 Apr 2016 #36
Oh, I insist he stay in rock Apr 2016 #38

GreydeeThos

(958 posts)
7. Hillary only needs 36% of the remaining delegates
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:28 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary wining an additional 362 pledged delegates will give her one more than Bernie could win. With a majority of pledged delegates, none of her 487 Super Delegates would switch sides giving her 2513, and she will win on the first ballot.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
9. What you're seeing
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:37 AM
Apr 2016

Is people claiming how much she needs to win if you don't count superdelegates that have pledged to her. Since she can't reach the magic number with PDs alone, she needs SDs to put her over the top.

It's a slight of hand that argues that we'll have a "contested convention" where the SD might overturn the will of the voters.

The reality is that whoever has the majority of PDs is the winner. All that's left are the formalities.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
10. No, treating super delegates like pledged delegates is the sleight of hand, esp. when that is not
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:41 AM
Apr 2016

disclosed up front.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
11. SDs can vote however they want
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:44 AM
Apr 2016

They are different in that respect.

But the chances of them throwing the election to a candidate that lost the PDs is zero.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
13. I don't know how else to explain it
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:51 AM
Apr 2016

Claming she needs to win 60% of the remaining delegates is the political equivalent of holding your breath until your face turns blue, or putting your fingers in your ears while saying "la, la, la, I can't hear you."

If you can't understand why, just wait a few weeks, it will become more clear soon.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
14. Speaking of comprehension issues, I didn't ask you to explain it another way.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:54 AM
Apr 2016

My posts were quite clear.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
19. "Just wait a few weeks, it will become clear soon."
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:09 AM
Apr 2016

Some of the new people will learn most by watching. It will be an excellent educational experience for them. After the speeches at the convention, many will stick around. It's an important reason to keep Sanders relevant until he endorses Clinton at the convention. We need to make sure these people hold interest for long enough to watch it.

Right now, some don't want to understand how it works. They are still trying to mentally justify how they can argue that someone who has lost almost every single metric will steal it in the end. Not an enviable position to be in.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
35. Um, no. My comment was very specific to what the poster, and only the poster, posted, in
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:09 PM
Apr 2016

response to a question I asked the poster. If you followed the subthread from Reply 1, you should have realized that. Blaming Devine for an exchange of posts on DU is bizarre.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
2. Bernie's got two choices.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:08 AM
Apr 2016

He bows out gracefully, endorses HRC, and encourages his supporters to rally behind her,

OR ...

He slinks off into the sunset, grumbling to himself about how he was robbed.



At this point, I don't give a rat's ass what he does.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
3. I don't know if Sanders will meet your definition of 'gracefully'
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:19 AM
Apr 2016

...but I do know that he'll still be a US Senator after this presidential election ends.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
15. But which committees will he be on ... if at all?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:00 AM
Apr 2016

Each party assigns, by resolution, its own members to committees, and each committee distributes its members among subcommittees.

If he's seen as being disloyal to, or harming the party, or our party's nominee, I doubt he'll be rewarded with any of these plum committee assignments.

Ranking Member, Senate Committee on the Budget.
Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources.
Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works.
Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.
Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs.


Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
18. Sanders said he'll do anything in his power
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:09 AM
Apr 2016

...to prevent Trump from becoming president.

I'm expecting him to campaign hard against Trump in the fall and keep his committee seats.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
21. Campaigning "against Trump" ...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:15 AM
Apr 2016

... lacks the specificity of "campaigning for our party's nominee". He could campaign FOR Jill Stein and still technically claim that he's campaigning "against Trump."

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
24. He never has campaigned for Democrats. Didn't thru out this process. I do not know why we keep
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:15 AM
Apr 2016

expecting more from the man than he has ever done. It isn't likely. I am more with Nance. Just go away. Lol

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
28. He wanted to run someone against Obama in '12. And big whoop. He endorsed. He has never
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:21 AM
Apr 2016

campaigned for a Democrat (but a minute for Jackson in '88) and didn't in this primary, where he would have actually needed them. Didn't even try to help out the Democratic party. That is forward thinking, not.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
25. I think he meant that he's going to tell
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:16 AM
Apr 2016

...people to vote for HRC, but if she doesn't adopt any of his positions, then his argument will center on how bad Trump is.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
30. Well, let's hope that's the case. I welcome his active support for our nominee ...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:34 AM
Apr 2016

... but if passive support is the best he can do, then I wouldn't turn it down.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
16. That depends on how the election goes
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:01 AM
Apr 2016

If he is perceived as the reason for a Democratic loss in November and allows the GOP all three branches of government...and the GOP begins hurting people...I doubt he will be re-elected.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
6. NanceGreggs, Democrat.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:32 AM
Apr 2016

More specifically, a Democrat not interested in what the Democrat-bashing non-Democrat does or doesn't do.



 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
29. False Dichotomy
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:24 AM
Apr 2016

You can certainly try to shoehorn reality into one of those options, but you'll have to do some lying to force it in there.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
20. there should be no doubt about this - he will be gracious in his exit
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:11 AM
Apr 2016

it is inevitable, and he has been a politician long enough to know that he cannot burn bridges in admitting the loss and acknowledging his opponent as the nominee.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
22. Sanders has integrity.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:18 AM
Apr 2016

He should not bow out until the voting is finished and of course the Clinton campaign should not call for it.

But he will do so and graciously back and support Clinton with all his might.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
23. Once Sanders is out on the campaign trail for the party, the bitterness will fade
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:10 AM
Apr 2016

Feelings are still raw now but give it time.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
31. Supporting Hillary will be like supporting the Republican candidate because she is not
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:41 AM
Apr 2016

a Democrat.She is owned by Corporate America and the Wall St mafia.
Hillary Clinton hasn't won anything. She has bought her way through by the deals she made using the Clinton foundation donors and by buying the Corporate media.
The Clinton campaign has done what is normally reserved for the Republican Candidates by buying her way through with the help of the DNC Republican lite Chairman Debbie Wassermann Schultz.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
32. Your cookie-cutter rhetoric failed to impress the voters during the campaign
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:07 AM
Apr 2016

Why do you think it carries any weight now?

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
39. rhetoric? The truth about Hillary has not changed for 22 years
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:29 PM
Apr 2016

She has wanted this for 30 years and she will do whatever it takes to get it..
She is a Corporatist

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
33. "Sanders sounded like an extortionist Monday night..." What an asshat thing to write.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:15 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie will be graceful, of that there is no doubt, but he doesn't appear to interested in abandoning his supporters' agenda as some of the Hillarious wish.

rock

(13,218 posts)
38. Oh, I insist he stay in
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:28 PM
Apr 2016

The longer he stays in, the bigger an asshole he is, and I want to see just how big an asshole he is. Can he go the max?

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