2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDon’t worry; Sanders will bow out gracefully
Recalling this serene end to the bitter and extended 2008 Democratic primary battle, Im not inclined to join in all the hand-wringing about the damage Bernie Sanders is doing to Clintons chances in November by remaining in the race.
Tempers flared this week after a Sanders supporter, actress Rosario Dawson, mentioned Monica Lewinsky at a campaign rally. Rep. Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., a Clinton supporter, demanded Sanders tell his supporters to stop providing aid and comfort to Donald Trump and the Republican Party.
This, in turn, caused Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver to accuse the Clinton campaign and her supporters of using language reserved for traitors to our country.
Why the hysteria? It doesnt matter if Sanders continues his candidacy until the last votes are cast in June. What matters is that he quits gracefully, and there should be every expectation that he will, for a simple reason: Sanders is not a fool.
Sanders showed no sign of retreat Tuesday night, even as Clinton extended her lead by winning the nights biggest prize, Pennsylvania, as well as Maryland, Delaware and Connecticut; Sanders won only Rhode Island. He gave a defiant, hour-long speech in which he said he was taking on the most powerful political organization in America. The reference to Clinton drew boos.
Sanders sounded like an extortionist Monday night when he said Clinton, if she won the nomination, would have to earn his supporters votes by embracing single-payer health care, free college tuition and a carbon tax all things Clinton rejected in her (successful) campaign against Sanders.
But seconds later, Sanders, prodded by the moderator, MSNBCs Chris Hayes, added a qualifier: I will do everything in my power to make sure that no Republican gets into the White House in this election cycle.
Thats the crucial part. Sanders wants to exert maximum leverage to move Clinton toward his populist policies. But he is a practical man, and he certainly doesnt wish to see a President Trump or President Cruz. This is why theres no cause for all the fuss over him remaining in the race until he is mathematically eliminated.
Elimination is coming. Even before Clinton padded her lead with Tuesday nights wins, Sanders needed to win 59 percent of remaining delegates, or 71 percent if you include superdelegates. That isnt going to happen.
http://registerguard.com/rg/opinion/34313850-78/dont-worry-sanders-will-bow-out-gracefully.html.csp
merrily
(45,251 posts)GreydeeThos
(958 posts)Hillary wining an additional 362 pledged delegates will give her one more than Bernie could win. With a majority of pledged delegates, none of her 487 Super Delegates would switch sides giving her 2513, and she will win on the first ballot.
merrily
(45,251 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Is people claiming how much she needs to win if you don't count superdelegates that have pledged to her. Since she can't reach the magic number with PDs alone, she needs SDs to put her over the top.
It's a slight of hand that argues that we'll have a "contested convention" where the SD might overturn the will of the voters.
The reality is that whoever has the majority of PDs is the winner. All that's left are the formalities.
merrily
(45,251 posts)disclosed up front.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)They are different in that respect.
But the chances of them throwing the election to a candidate that lost the PDs is zero.
merrily
(45,251 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Claming she needs to win 60% of the remaining delegates is the political equivalent of holding your breath until your face turns blue, or putting your fingers in your ears while saying "la, la, la, I can't hear you."
If you can't understand why, just wait a few weeks, it will become more clear soon.
merrily
(45,251 posts)My posts were quite clear.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Some of the new people will learn most by watching. It will be an excellent educational experience for them. After the speeches at the convention, many will stick around. It's an important reason to keep Sanders relevant until he endorses Clinton at the convention. We need to make sure these people hold interest for long enough to watch it.
Right now, some don't want to understand how it works. They are still trying to mentally justify how they can argue that someone who has lost almost every single metric will steal it in the end. Not an enviable position to be in.
RandySF
(58,823 posts)Was created by Sanders' consultant Tad Devine.
merrily
(45,251 posts)response to a question I asked the poster. If you followed the subthread from Reply 1, you should have realized that. Blaming Devine for an exchange of posts on DU is bizarre.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)He bows out gracefully, endorses HRC, and encourages his supporters to rally behind her,
OR ...
He slinks off into the sunset, grumbling to himself about how he was robbed.
At this point, I don't give a rat's ass what he does.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...but I do know that he'll still be a US Senator after this presidential election ends.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Each party assigns, by resolution, its own members to committees, and each committee distributes its members among subcommittees.
If he's seen as being disloyal to, or harming the party, or our party's nominee, I doubt he'll be rewarded with any of these plum committee assignments.
Ranking Member, Senate Committee on the Budget.
Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources.
Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works.
Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.
Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...to prevent Trump from becoming president.
I'm expecting him to campaign hard against Trump in the fall and keep his committee seats.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... lacks the specificity of "campaigning for our party's nominee". He could campaign FOR Jill Stein and still technically claim that he's campaigning "against Trump."
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)expecting more from the man than he has ever done. It isn't likely. I am more with Nance. Just go away. Lol
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...in 2008 and 2012.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)campaigned for a Democrat (but a minute for Jackson in '88) and didn't in this primary, where he would have actually needed them. Didn't even try to help out the Democratic party. That is forward thinking, not.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Therefore, Sanders has campaigned for a Democrat.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...people to vote for HRC, but if she doesn't adopt any of his positions, then his argument will center on how bad Trump is.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... but if passive support is the best he can do, then I wouldn't turn it down.
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)If he is perceived as the reason for a Democratic loss in November and allows the GOP all three branches of government...and the GOP begins hurting people...I doubt he will be re-elected.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)More specifically, a Democrat not interested in what the Democrat-bashing non-Democrat does or doesn't do.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)You can certainly try to shoehorn reality into one of those options, but you'll have to do some lying to force it in there.
frylock
(34,825 posts)In fact, I know you do.
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)just go away.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)it is inevitable, and he has been a politician long enough to know that he cannot burn bridges in admitting the loss and acknowledging his opponent as the nominee.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)He should not bow out until the voting is finished and of course the Clinton campaign should not call for it.
But he will do so and graciously back and support Clinton with all his might.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Feelings are still raw now but give it time.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)a Democrat.She is owned by Corporate America and the Wall St mafia.
Hillary Clinton hasn't won anything. She has bought her way through by the deals she made using the Clinton foundation donors and by buying the Corporate media.
The Clinton campaign has done what is normally reserved for the Republican Candidates by buying her way through with the help of the DNC Republican lite Chairman Debbie Wassermann Schultz.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Why do you think it carries any weight now?
INdemo
(6,994 posts)She has wanted this for 30 years and she will do whatever it takes to get it..
She is a Corporatist
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)Bernie will be graceful, of that there is no doubt, but he doesn't appear to interested in abandoning his supporters' agenda as some of the Hillarious wish.
texstad79
(115 posts)and burning bridges with the party.
rock
(13,218 posts)The longer he stays in, the bigger an asshole he is, and I want to see just how big an asshole he is. Can he go the max?