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GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:24 AM Apr 2016

For people wishing Bernie had run as an Indy, I can tell you a major reason why he didn't.

Last edited Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:23 AM - Edit history (3)

Assuming this started as a protest candidacy, running as a Dem guaranteed him something one cannot generally get outside of the Big Two parties: exposure. If sharing his ideas and ideals were the ultimate goal rather than the Oval Office, then making sure he was able to get on TV and noticed by other media was paramount.

I can tell you from years of being a Green that being marginalized by the media and shut out of the public debate are both idea and candidacy killers. The media won't cover you if you are an unknown, and you will remain an unknown if the media hasn't covered you. A vicious cycle, indeed. Fortunately the Internet is starting to making an end run around this problem, but until the vast majority of the electorate are tuned into the Intertubes Political Dialogue, the old media empire will still play the role of King (or Queen) maker.

So Bernie is now a victim of his own success. His message got out and resonated with many more voters than initially expected, but perhaps didn't get enough votes* to actually take the White House. But believe me, in the end the message and movement are on their way, and that means a lot more than another Indy protest run that barely rates a footnote. The ground is ripening for those future progressive seeds to take root outside of the old system.

*In the interest of full disclosure, I absolutely believe Bernie received far more votes than have been accounted for.

Editing to add a further thought, again assuming this began as a protest campaign, he would have been considering the fact that he would need to work with Dems in the Senate afterward.

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For people wishing Bernie had run as an Indy, I can tell you a major reason why he didn't. (Original Post) GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 OP
Hand to heart PDittie Apr 2016 #1
Still a long way until Convention. We'll see then what progress GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #3
I hope so Armstead Apr 2016 #2
Me, too! GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #6
It's a two-party system. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #4
We were once a colony under rule of a Monarch. Things change. GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #5
Running D got his message out on t he Dem network using Dem money... Orsino Apr 2016 #7
The DNC money impact has been minimized by the GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #8

PDittie

(8,322 posts)
1. Hand to heart
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:15 AM
Apr 2016

Last year, when this was just in the formative stages, I wanted him to run as a Green. But you are correct; he chose the right path. His appeal and his fundraising would have been... well, nascent, like Jill Stein's remains today. The media still ignored him for the most part until he became viable (about Iowa, I would say).

What Bernie taught us, among so many other important things, is that there is no progressive revolution possible within the Democratic Party. Historically that's long been the case; just ask Jesse Jackson or Dennis Kucinich or a slew of others, but damn if Bernie didn't almost pull it off anyway.

Where to from here, for him and most particularly his campaign network and infrastructure, is a question I simply cannot wait to see formally addressed.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
3. Still a long way until Convention. We'll see then what progress
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:49 AM
Apr 2016

can be made within the DNC framework. If they choose not to hear our voices and incorporate our ideas going forward, then they may well shoot themselves in the foot as far as growing the future of the party through the youth bloc.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
7. Running D got his message out on t he Dem network using Dem money...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:33 AM
Apr 2016

...and a third-party run might have doomed both his message and Dem hopes.

He is paying a heavy price, having pledged to support, if necessary, a corporatist nominee. If he returns to the Senate, he will find himself expected to engage in the usual bullshit phone fundraising.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
8. The DNC money impact has been minimized by the
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:46 AM
Apr 2016

heavy reliance on the small donors. I am sure it will hurt his heart to support Hillary, should she win, but I imagine considering an even more extreme Republican POTUS would help see him through. I know it's the only reason I will vote "for" her, should she win, but for now he is still in it to win it, so that's not on my mind.

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