Stick a fork in her.

Did you even bother to look at some of those hidden posts? "This is why nobody takes your Party seriously." gets your post hidden these days. Wondering if John Lewis may be suffering from CTE gets your post hidden these days. Calling Bill Clinton a dick gets your post hidden these days. Granted, some of those later posts DID deserve hides, and I posted them knowing full well that they would, but that was after I developed a FTW attitude. But thanks for highlighting the obvious alert stalking that has been taking place here over the last year.

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God knows I experienced it.

Now they have been helped tremendously by the thousands of alleged liberals who spread their bullshit endlessly.

Do you even realize how dangerous it is to just shout 'RW SMEAR!!' at every accusation against your candidate, no matter the evidence? You're basically giving her a complete free pass on any behavior.

She's under investigation by the FBI for goodness sake! The FBI! You know them yeah, the organization that are not in any way part of the Republican party? The organization we trust to apprehend the worst criminals in society, yet who apparently are irrelevant when its someone you like being investigated?

use of a private email server." There it is, right there, straight from DOJ. And the Hillbots still claim that the FBI and DOJ investigation isn't directed at HRC.

Keep that sick group prayer going for as long as you can. Someday...someday...


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in the next life, if not in this. Keep up the hard work trying to cloud the facts.

But she's clearly our next President so I'm going to support her then. Anything is better than going negative to no good purpose.
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I'm tired of Goodman, as well, and think that he does a better job arousing Hillary's supporters than laying out ideas. But, the negative would have nowhere to feed if Hillary, herself, hadn't created it.

Ask yourself that question.

to bring an indictment against Clinton at this point — including the president as that would insure a repug in the White House.

It's not going to happen.

Just as Sanders is not going to get super delegates to switch.

What do you think happens in that case - does she remain the candidate? I sure as hell hope that the Party leadership isn't that cavalier or committed to her candidacy as to allow that.

They are not going to allowed the Dem front runner and presumptive nominee to be overthrown, which would throw the party into disarray and allow the repugs to capture the presidency as a result.

They know that Sanders, getting the nod after that, wouldn't stand a chance as the party would be the biggest laughing stock in history.

It's not going to happen.

Seriously. You are stating, in writing, that even if she committed a crime, so what, no one is going to allow any legal action because she is to important for the Democratic Party and must be elected even if guilty of a crime.

I have read such comments from several people now. It answers a lot of questions. You don't even care if she did it or not. No amount of evidence would convince you because it doesn't matter.

To have that level of obsession toward a political candidate violates the core principles of what it means to be American. We do not have royalty here. We do not have blind allegiance to people.
These type of responses expose a very disturbing turn of events.

It's not an obsession with a candidate, it's knowing that it was a non-scandal from the jump.

Both Rice and Powell, SOSs before her, did similar things.

If it was Sanders I've say the same thing.

It's not going to happen.

With all due respect, you, obviously, are not stupid but you are speaking out of ignorance on this specific issue.
It could be described as many things but it is not a "Benghazi-like repug pushed faux-scandal". This is 100% executive branch, from the State Dept Inspector General to the FBI investigation to non-partisan career DOJ lawyers working on this case.
There are no teapublican committee hearings or TV cameras.

Read this post and this post

Neither are perfect but there is a lot of decent information in both.

To be clear, as I have said from the beginning, I will live with whatever is decided by the FBI. To think this is not a real issue though is just not true.

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It's not going to happen.

Go with what your candidate said.

in connection with her private server. Big difference.


"The FBI has stated publicly that it received and “is working on a referral (from) Inspectors General in connection with former Secretary of State Clinton’s use of a private email server."

Not sure if that's the exact quote from Supreme Court decision I read a while back, but that was certainly the message. We'll see what these same selective readers do with the FBI Report, as well.

be chosen with great attention, particularly when it concerns a leading presidential candidate.

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Hillary Clinton: State Department was missing top oversight official during her time as secretary of state
Lack of oversight adds to questions surrounding Hillary Clinton’s transparency

Payton Guion
Thursday 26 March 2015


The US State Department was missing a permanent watchdog for the entire time Hillary Clinton served as secretary of state, the Wall Street Journal reported, raising more questions about her transparency ahead of her near-certain presidential campaign.

No evidence indicates that Mrs Clinton was directly responsible for no inspector general being appointed during her tenure, but the State Department has never gone longer without one since the position was created in 1957.

Inspectors general are responsible for oversight in various government agencies.

The president is responsible for appointing the inspector general and the State Department was the only agency that did not see either a confirmed or nominated inspector general during that five-year period.

Harold Geisel served as the acting inspector general during Mrs Clinton’s time as secretary of state, but was restricted by law from becoming the full-time inspector general because he had a long history in the State Department.

The White House would not comment on why there was no nomination or appointment for the position for five years, but said that the inspector general’s office released more than 450 reports in that time, the Journal reported.

The State Department’s lack of a permanent watchdog is not illegal nor does it automatically indicate wrongdoing, but it does nothing to help Mrs Clinton’s reputation for a lack of transparency.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-state-department-was-missing-top-oversight-official-during-her-time-as-secretary-of-10136503.html

Someone needs to do a Timeline...

Clinton's use of a private email server and the enforcement of those proceedings.

The FBI is declaring that releasing the document would be detrimental to their case.

That means the case is proceeding and that the FBI believes it needs to protect evidence.

That's what I got from the article. Perhaps I'm off base but it seemed fairly clear.

And people would call it political pressuring.

Yes, joshcryer, I'm sure the FBI is concerned about exculpatory evidence exposing their evil, right-wing investigation that's based on nothing and isn't even directed at Clinton anyway.

The FBI does not want its decision to be tainted by leaks. This is not controversial.

First, it confirms FBI is in fact working on a referral! A referral is an agency's investigation results/case packaged up to hand off to the DOJ for prosecution. This means, to me, that FBI is recommending prosecution.

Second, the language used by DOJ clearly states that the case is about Clinton's own use of the server! Some here have suggested that the FBI may be looking at actions of others and that Clinton is not, herself, the subject of the investigation. If that were true, DOJ would've said it's looking at the server or actions taken in relation to the server, but instead DOJ says it's looking at *Clinton's use* of the server.

This removes a lot of doubt, and confirms speculations that a referral is being put together, and it's about her own use of the server.

Former CIA Director John Deutch was "referred', but Attorney General Janet Reno ran the clock out without convening a Grand Jury. In the end, Bill Clinton pardoned him on the same final day along with Mark Rich.

At this point, I am too pooped to enjoy Kremlin Watch parties as much as I used to. All I can say is, the timing of release of the investigation report so that it stretched past the point where Sanders might have gotten a boost toward the Convention seems to be all Washington scotch on the rocks. Another deal within deals between competing branches stretching back decades to when all the principal players were read into programs now long collectively forgotten, and conveniently so.

...due to old crony links?

But wouldn't the career FBI rebel against such an outcome?

The FBI insiders are not going to stomach a cover up.

...and thanks for being here and clarifying things regularly.

Does "referral" only imply evidence of criminality? Or could a referral be for no action?

to prosecute. It is an inter-agency handoff to DOJ for prosecution, because DOJ is the federal litigator. It's a specific term used within the government for the case an agency sends to DOJ for the express purpose of prosecution. If they were recommending against prosecution it might just be a memo, I'm not certain about that, but it wouldn't be a referral.

The wording:
“is working on a referral "from" Inspectors General in connection with former Secretary of State Clinton’s use of a private email server. "

The wording, with the word "from" in brackets, indicates the referral is from the Inspectors General.

a recommendation for the FBI to investigate. The State Department IG has since launched a separate investigation into alleged conflict of interest in State Department contracting under Secretary Clinton. There are also civil cases going on about FOIAs related to both matters.

the Inspectors General, NOT the FBI.

The word "from" is in brackets, though.

have been unlawfully held on the server. Based upon each agency's own findings and the FBI's investigation, which is a report, the IGs and the FBI Director then prepare their own reports with recommendations for the Attorney General. Those reports are called referrals.

They may differ in their findings. This will not be an easy call for the AG, which is another reason I think the DOJ will probably run out the clock and leave to POTUS to pardon. However, if there is a consensus that HRC improperly handled classified materials, or the FBI finds that she violated law, she becomes unviable as a candidate even without a decision to convene and Grand Jury and to issue an indictment.

Naw...her supporters will just claim it's just partisan proceedings.

over. Responsible people in senior positions within the Democratic party won't let her run in that case. If she resists, and plunges on, and somehow prevails, she's condemning the entire party to obsolescence, disgrace, and infamy. I think it's a foregone conclusion that she'll be found to have violated the agreement, and arrangements are quietly being made.

It's been so obvious to me that he's been staying in to save the party from itself if a recommendation for prosecution occurs.

Just think of all the hostility and ridicule he has been made to endure, when his intent is for our benefit.

I truly believe this.

I'm fascinated by this sub-thread. Thanks for your contributions.

He's staying in not for reasons of self, but because chaos is coming and we need a viable candidate still in the race.

He's the best sort of Democrat. One who holds true to the party's best principles. He also has strong personal integrity and great wisdom. The party and country are fortunate to have Bernie Sanders at a moment of peril such as this.

The State Dept.'s IG was looking into the email issue and FBI waved them off to take over. http://www.wsj.com/articles/state-department-pauses-hillary-clinton-email-review-1459548288 DOJ also has an IG office so maybe it is involved too.

Expedition...

Besides, DOJ would issue this same sort of motion in any case where there's an active investigation and/or prosecution. Sorry, again, nice try.

They can't pick and choose. Besides if anyone would be tired, that would be Kerry.

if there was NOT a question of criminal activity on his part or others...PERIOD.
What part of this do you not understand?

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Her ethically challenged legal/political career has always been just one boot drop away from a jail sentence (how many of her Rose Law firm partners went off to prison?). This time her greed and lust for corporate blood money may finally land her in the joint. At least she can find solace in knowing they make pantsuits in prison orange...

After she is nominated .

Orange is the new black.

Fuck that stupid shit. Buh bye

Why is this allowed?

You're saying that her own outfit isn't acceptable at DU?

SMH

I guess posts like this are bad but anti Semitic insinuations are cool.
A certain group of people on this site act all high and mighty and talk about how picked on they are but don't have any reservations making anti Semitic slurs (or insinuating them - he's Jewish you know) using batshit crazy conspiracy theories and shamelessly posting neo-Nazi hate sites as the source and shaming and humiliating poor or struggling people as only wanting to vote for Sanders to get "free stuff".

Seriously, it's disgusting.

DU has lost so much in the last year with the onslaught of trolls.

It lost the ability to think about what is sarcasm and what is not sarcasm. I've been here since the beginning and chuckle at these newbies who come on and spout shit about me like they know me.

You do know that Kasich was in the news lately with video of him trying to teach a bunch of Hasidic Jews about Judisim. Hence my comment in a post referring to Kasich and Bernie.

Nah....The DU trolls are to stupid to figure that out.

fellow Rose Law partners.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_controversy#Convictions

...or kitchen aide.

Watergate conspirator Chuck Colson got laundry duty. He said it changed his life, having to wash the dirty underwear of all the other prisoners. It might be good for Hill.

...will not serve her well in prison. Yikes! Yikes!

Martha Stewart did just fine because she is at heart a real person, and warm.

the Judge will rule? So far he hasn't been too sympathetic to the "we have to keep it a secret" argument.

I think this might be the push the DOJ needs to finish stuff up.

Hillary is quite the legal job creator!

It does seem that the FBI really wants to keep what they have under wraps at this point, because their investigation is still ongoing.

Don't forget to click your heels together 3 times and turn in a circle first!

I also suspect that FBI may wait for the Supreme's decision this June in the McDonnell corruption case to see if the standard is clarified in any way. Here's more on that thought:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280186256#post7

At the glacial rate this investigation is going some kind of report will be released after Hillary Clinton's inauguration. I have a theory why this investigation is taking so long.

The FBI doesn't do "security reviews" - they investigate crimes.

From their website -- https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/quick-facts

it could “reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings.”

Enforcement proceedings?

So are there enforcement proceedings? Do they expect enforcement proceedings?

Interesting choice of words there.

I think it means that new wrinkles could push the conclusion closer to the election and that could "inhibit enforcement". Maybe "enforcement" means the letter of criminal referral, the evaluation by the AG, the presentation of evidence to anyone named in the letter, the plea negotiations, etc. Makes sense to me. How about you?

Tell me more.