That's what a third party bid would mean.

Is a two-party take it or leave it system enshrined in our constitution?

I hope that you cando better than that if you want to win over independepts: who just hapoen to outbumber the Democrats.

Or is this just a preamble to some purity pledge?

...also happen to be the kind of people who are too lazy to form their own party. If you don't like the Democratic Party, then just leave it. Leave it and go form your own party, run it however you want, have all the open primaries and closed caucuses that you want, and spare the rest of us your perpetual and obnoxious victimhood.

The modern Democratic Party works for the interests of the voters who show up and vote Democratic on a consistent basis. The real problem for leftists and progressives is that you've cast too many protest votes for other parties, and now the Democratic Party doesn't really care what you think. Because it's not like you can be relied on to vote more than once every 4 years.

Why did over 11% of Bernie's independents in Wisconsin vote for him and no other Democrats? Because they're not Democratic voters now and never will be. You think Democrats should cater to people who don't vote for them? I want what you're smoking, because clearly it is powerful stuff.

Bernie's supporters will throw anyone under the bus, even their own allies, if they don't tow the Bernie Line strong enough. Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is more than welcoming to everyone. You're upset because you confusion participation with control, and are pouting that control of a party you didn't build isn't being handed over to you simply because you want it. You apply your fad mentality to politics and then pretend like everyone else is doing it wrong instead of you.

I don't care who you vote for.

Try telling that to me again oh sage of wisdom!

DWS: Corporatist election loser. Rigged least number of debates to help her pal Hilly.

Goldman's Girl can't even attempt transparancy WRT her overpaid speeches AKA payola.

The Democratic Party is more than welcoming to everybody...just as long as they register as a Dem in closed primaries.

LOL!

TY, that you don't care, but independants already know that, poor dear. You are woefully behind the times.

We don't care about purity tests, flypaper or sophomoric chants for "Democratic" purges.

voted for the conservative Supreme Court candidate who was also on the ballot

(An interesting wrinkle is that 10 percent of Sanders' voters checked the box for Bradley. This suggests that a good chunk of his win came not from fans but from conservatives seeking to frustrate the Clinton candidacy.)

Anyhow, three days later, a Wisconsin circuit court judge struck down an anti-union law backed by Walker. The law ended unions' right to require that private-sector workers benefiting from their negotiations pay dues or an equivalent sum.

The ruling was hailed as a “victory for unions,” but that victory will almost certainly be short-lived because the matter now heads to a divided state Supreme Court. As a Supreme Court justice, Kloppenburg could have helped save it.

Sanders can't directly take the rap for this. He, in fact, had endorsed Kloppenburg.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20160412/OPINION04/160419800

states, it matters not for whom a person votes, if they belong to the "minority" party.

I live in a red state, and I have never had a vote that "mattered" in a presidential general election.

...the 11 swing States are all that make a difference FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. But we have competitive House and Senate races in the reddest States around, provided you can be bothered to get involved.

I'm all about supporting my local candidates.

I see it like buying a product like a bread-maker.

I have 3 choices when I go to the store, a bread maker I know works based on research, one I know does not work well based on the same research, and one that I have no research on and no clue if it will work or not.

They all cost the same price.

I need the bread-maker, I actually want to make bread, not just have it as decoration.

people have never voted Democratic in the past. They'll slink away once this is over and pretend that their tossed away vote is worth something just like they have every other year.

There is no swaying them. I'm just looking forward to the day that I no longer have to read their holier than thou purity bullshit on this message board.

I am 65 years old, and have always voted democratic. Many of he people you are talking about "slinking away" are democrats who care about the party and are unhappy with the direction in which it has moved in the last 20+ years. Why don't you reserve your scorn for Republicans instead of people who have heartfelt beliefs that you sneer at?

who now plan to take their ball and go home if their candidate doesn't win the nomination in a contest that the candidate and I assume most supporters agreed to take part in.

This, I'll play along until I lose bullshit, is very predictable. The PUMA's pulled it in 2008 and a lot of them pulled it against Gore in 2000.

For the record, John Kerry was the first democratic candidate for President I ever voted for. I'm pretty certain that when I cast my vote for Bernie in June, that will be the last Democrat that I ever vote for.

....and you would lose that bet.

What a pathetic moron that guy is. Begging for law enforcement to do what his chosen candidate hasn't. Namely..... Win

Left wing Hillary hating online activists are a minuscule part of the electorate and won't make a difference in the general. As in 2008, their best opportunity to derail HRC was in the primary, especially in caucus states, which they have failed to do.

The vast silent majority of Bernie supporters will be voting for her, because, at the end of the day, there is really not much of a difference between them.

So some first-time progressive who was politically apathetic prior to mid-2015 threatens to go back to political apathy post mid-2016 because his or her special little pony candidate lost.

Who cares?

Anyone threatening to sit out in 2016 wasn't going to be a long term member of the progressive movement anyway. Neither Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton is the progressive movement. That distinction belongs to the thousands of town, city, county, and state elected officials who drive our country forward. By sitting out, they're showing just how tenuous their relationship with progressivism was.

Good riddance.

How's that?

Toss your vote on principles to back the republican light candidate over the crazy republican candidate


So, MM... you're asking progressives and liberals to park their principles to vote for a candidate that overtly shuns and disregards them and their principles and 'not achievable'?

I urge you to re-read your OP and edit it

Lots of urging going on around here, isn't there?

nah, one read through of your troll light OPs is enough

breaking down your OP to the troll core made sense and was worthy to post as a reply....

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

I believe you know exactly what it means as I do, you're just in denial that your OPs are troll light

Members since November 14 2015!

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It gets right to the core of their RW nature.

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He will do his best to keep a Republican out.

If he believes he is the best hope, then he will run. He is choosing his words very carefully this last week.

I like the poet James Kavannaugh's advice. It's simple.

"Stand back from life and observe it at a distance.
What makes sense and what is imprisonment?
Who knows consistent freedom and who follows a path
Made by ants following ants in prescribed procession?
I have no idea where I must live or how,
No blueprint made in Japan or heaven,
Only a heart and mind that know what is true and false,
And what it is to feel the pulse of freedom,
Without which, for me, there is only a premature death."

Why do you ask?

she expects the party to unite.

Bernie Sanders.

That's your decision. I was providing food for thought. Apparently you've thought about it.

..he knows as a matter of principle, many of his supporters can no longer enable the Third Way, or offshoring of our good jobs due to free trade, or for many reasons will not be able to fall in line with Hillary. And after over twenty years of the same arguments to keep Progressives supporting status quo candidates...I find it amazing how presumptuous that Hillary, the DNC, the media, etc are that the masses will do it yet again. Especially when the Dems are down to 29% of registered voters..and that was before this all began.

Bernie the other week in NY was the first time in a long time I was actually enthusiastic to vote. I really don't like Hillary.. but I see Trump as a threat to the Nation, which is worse than voting for the status quo IMO.

I won't be telling anyone else how they should do it, though.

However the "fake" Bernie supporters will continue to promote this kind of crap, and continue to try and divide posters her on DU.

Bernie's supporters do not march in lockstep. They will make they're own choices , but for now they are united behind Bernie until everyone gets to vote.

We supported his ideas and the things he campaign for.

Sure there may be a few who will just do what he says, but that doesn't apply to most of us.

She is the least qualified person for the job out of all the candidates.

What has Hillary and the Third Way done to earn the votes of Sanders supporters?

We have a winner!

The DNC nominee, otherwise Trump or Cruz, both disasters for progressive ideas.

It's not about Bernie. Let me repeat that. It's. Not. About. Bernie.

It's about a completely broken system. He just happens to be the closest to what we would consider a corrective.

We'll keep saying it and eventually maybe you'll hear us. If not.... well, your loss.


Vote for Hillary, be a sucker: It’s OK to reject the choice of a tyrannical liberal or a right-wing tyrant
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/06/vote_for_hillary_be_a_sucker_its_ok_to_reject_the_choice_of_a_tyrannical_liberal_or_a_right_wing_tyrant/

Dear Charles Blow—The "Bernie or Bust" Movement is Not Bonkers: A NYTimes Rebuttal
http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/04/dear-charles-blowthe-bernie-or-bust-movement-is-no.html

Here's another for some action on our vitally important cause. It will continue because its.not.about.Bernie. Its about We The People.

The progressive movement is in the shadows: It’s time to rally, protest and get in politicians’ faces to become a force they can’t ignore
Jim Hightower
http://www.salon.com/2016/04/14/the_progressive_movement_is_in_the_shadows_its_time_to_rally_protest_and_get_in_politicians_faces_to_become_a_force_they_cant_ignore/

I have a very dark, self destructive side.

And it's funny that people who never listened to Bernie on anything else are telling us to listen to him on THAT.

that there have been people allowed to get away with calling for such a thing here on DU. What has this place come to?

I am so f*cking done with the status quo.