2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders: "This is a movement about you," except when it isn't
Bernie Sanders @BernieSanders
This is a movement made of millions of people. This is not about Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. This is about you.
Dean Barker ?@deanbarker 1h1 hour ago
Bernie last night: "My good friend Donald Trumpjust kidding...My wife & I did not even get invited to his wedding."
Gabriel Debenedetti ?@gdebenedetti 23h23 hours ago
On the Q of Sanders' tone re HRC: he's hit her 2x in IN. But both times on specific policiestrade/min wage. Not his usual, broader passage.
Gabriel Debenedetti ?@gdebenedetti 22h22 hours ago
And there it is: Sanders now hitting Clinton on Wall Street ties and speeches. Lotsa boos here in IN, a state some Ds are looking @ for Nov.
MaryAlice Parks ?@maryaliceparks 15h15 hours ago
and the attacks are back... @BernieSanders now at Indiana Uni mocking Clinton for her paid speeches to Wall Street, gets standing ovation
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)They started that conversation!!!! It was not the thousands of LGBT demonstrating on Wall St and in DC, at the WH and at the FDA, in Los Angeles, New York, in Paris and in London, in Boston and in Berlin oh no, it was Ron and Nancy who did it all!!
It's good to know what Hillary's boosters and Hillary herself are really all about. Forewarned is forearmed.
Kokonoe
(2,485 posts)She said we are nobody that can talk or do anything about it, plain and clear.
Why?...money is speech.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)which I've posted for you several times...
and the millions of people with AIDS that the Clinton Foundation has helped.
And failed to address Sanders' fawning all over the homophobic Pope.
How intellectually inconsistent for someone who spends so much time telling other DU'ers (such as myself) they are hypocrites.
It's amazing you'd use an issue so cynically.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)marmar
(77,080 posts)........... you failed spectacularly.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)glowing
(12,233 posts)He's hust going to roll over and let her eat delegates and party platform? As it is, she wouldn't have enough to secure the nomination without the supers. It's going to make a wonderful showdown for the Democratic Party. And thank God, if the party doesn't stand for the people, the working people, for those that society wants to leave out, wtf is it doing being the DNC? Republicans have been the business party.... And maybe in some years they are right to temper out a give away... But having Reaganomcis for 40yrs has left the nation teetering...
Let us have some say in what the party should be fighting for regardless of those wall St checks they soak up. Hold them accountable. I sure hope this next generation starts running for elections after this. If a 74 yr old can do it, they sure can too.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...something bigger than railing against Hillary.
He's not holding Hillary accountable, he's just trashing her for votes. It's a shame, because we all know what's waiting for us a short way down the road with the republican nominee. Trying to wound Hillary is a vain and destructive tactic, at this point in the campaign.
This isn't a starting point for a revolution which couldn't even outvote a primary challenger. It's the dawning of a general election fight for our lives. Bernie and the supporters who encourage this type of campaigning risk becoming complicit in republican opposition to our emerging nominee; not just by happenstance, as they've been throughout this election as republican millions were spent alongside Sanders' millions in the primaries against Hillary, often with identical messaging.
At some point, Sanders needs to take responsibility and follow through on his promise to not be a 'spoiler' in this race.
glowing
(12,233 posts)He's still out to finish this race. He is up against Hillary. Every vote is more votes for party platform. Btw, he speaks for about and hour or so and most of his speech is pointing out his policy positions.
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)He will merely weaken the Democratic candidate...but maybe that is his plan...I don't know. He has not run the positive campaign he promised.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...do you think Trump will go any easier on her? At least Sanders isn't making up stuff. Maybe the DNC should have chosen a better candidate to back...
Trump will be brutal no doubt...but let's not help him. Sanders is running as a Democrat. The race is over. It is irresponsible of him to attack the Democratic nominee.
Autumn
(45,084 posts)Or will you be deleting this like you deleted your OP about Bernie yesterday because you were so far off base it was embarrassing?
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...you Bernie folks don't miss an opportunity to tell me what I think and how I should think.
I've heard you Bernie folks are very angry. Why don't you go find some other thread to interrupt with your sulking?
You barged in on that other thread and proceeded to tell me why I posted it, and you're still arguing with your own convoluted nonsense. You don't need me for this daily bantering with your fevered imagination.
B.l.o.c.k.e.d.
Autumn
(45,084 posts)so you trash Bernie, even to the point of putting a false spin on things like you did yesterday in blaming Bernie for Edwards loss.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Corrupt politics is killing this country, in case you missed it.
Cha
(297,240 posts)they've worked so well so far. lol
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...and more than a bit vindictive on the trail when he speaks of his Democratic rival.
He's accustomed to keeping the party at arms-length, and he's not prepared in the least to put aside his huge ego and accept the majority vote against his 'revolution,' or accept the majority vote in favor of Hillary and our party.
Time for change
(13,714 posts)definitely are about all of us.
Wall Street malfeasance cost the people of our country trillions of dollars. Don't think that that didn't affect all of us. The financial industry needs to be much more heavily regulated than it is now. Hillary's cozy ties with Wall Street strongly suggest that she will not even attempt to do that.
Bernie will, and it is a central part of his campaign for less income inequality in our country, which is now at its highest levels since the 1920s. That is a legitimate campaign issue.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...lots of pieces cobbled together with spit and innuendo, but there's no more evidence contributions influence her actions than Obama's own experience, for instance.
You and your candidate are engaging in sophistry when you cite 'Wall Street' and Hillary together and conclude that no action will be taken by her on the economic issues you believe are important. Even Elizabeth Warren has said Hillary's regulatory plans are credible.
Elizabeth Warren praises Hillary Clinton's Wall Street plan
Secretary Clinton is right to fight back against Republicans trying to sneak Wall Street giveaways into the must-pass government funding bill, Warren wrote on Facebook...
Whether its attacking the C.F.P.B., undermining new rules to rein in unscrupulous retirement advisers, or rolling back any part of the hard-fought progress weve made on financial reform, she and I agree, Warren wrote
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/07/elizabeth-warren-praises-hillary-clintons-wall-street-plan/
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)walk me through, with your own words, how your cited tweets support your OP. One by one.
Fully expect you will not respond. Because you can't. Your post is idiotic.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...and I have zero intention of trying to make you understand or agree.
I think it's funny how you folks throw yourselves into conversations which clearly aren't directed at you, clearly don't follow the narrative you've been pushing, and begin arguing with your own biased logic.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Hillary and the Democratic Party, who was gratuitous enough to let him run as a Democrat. His ego is getting the best of him.. Hope he doesn't get a speaking slot at the convention---there's no telling what he would say.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...but I do think he's staging his protest against the party for those items of his agenda a bit prematurely. I don't think he's going to find as much resistance from the party convention as he's postured against on the trail.
lanlady
(7,134 posts)If he was serious about starting a movement, what in hell has prevented him from doing so all these years?
If he was serious about starting a movement, why did he not associate himself with and fund-raise for OWS? That was only 5 years ago - would have been a perfect vehicle to get an anti-Wall Street movement started.
If he was serious about reforming the Democratic Party, why did he add (D) to his name only last year (and even then only to get throw his hat into the primary ring)?
Every time Bernie talks about his movement, I hear that brilliantly sarcastic John Lennon song in my head, "Revolution."