many of us have not yet had our turn.

I know Sanders has my vote and my support until the convention and beyond.

If it takes a brokered convention, I'm fine with that. I never have, and will not now, roll over and play dead.

There's no brokered convention when one of the candidates has won a majority of pledged delegates (2026 in this case), which is guaranteed to happen when there are only 2 candidates.

returning to the Senate with my support.

For the movement, it means taking it down ticket when possible, and working outside the party in multiple capacities.

I amazed at the number of people, just today, who have tried to bait me into suggesting a GE vote against DU's TOS.

It's as if there's a determined effort underway for a round of tombstoning.

There are plenty of things to do beyond the convention that have nothing whatsoever to do with the presidential election, even if that's the only thing DU may be able to focus on.

like you might be saying this, that they would allow Cruz to be president.

You wont be thrown off the board, you are generating WAY too much income for the owners.

They will find out a way to keep you here, trust me.

it takes a lopsided primary for it to be otherwise.

Thats the way the system is designed.

if you are talking only about pledged delegates.

(4051 - 1645 - 1318 = 1088)

Or there are 1802 delegates still available, if you're including unpledged delegates.

(4765 - 1645 - 1318 = 1802)

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D

I have no idea where you got the number 1243 from. Must be more #berniemath.



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And Hillary is at 2152, not 1645.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D

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So, the superdelegates did what they do. They supported the candidate who was ahead. Fast forward to 2016 and we have a pledged delegate difference *3* times greater than what we saw in 2008.

No sane person can actually believe Sanders will be given the nomination when Clinton has won a clear majority of pledged delegates.

Clinton will be the nominee

That's 228 away from the nomination.

The superdelegates aren't switching. Sorry.

They're not switching to support Sanders. Sorry.

at the convention and are not pledged and should not be counted until that time.

Mathematically impossible have one of them not have a majority of the delegates. BTW, it is by a majority of the delegates which include Pledged delegates and Super delegates, it is half plus one.

in votes and pledged delegates, the resulting chaos will be great news for the other party. I hope Bernie is able to catch up in both by California.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand for some here.

Post after post, thread after thread, about how Clinton likely won't reach 2383 prior to the convention. Why?!? Does any sane person actually think Sanders will be made the nominee if Clinton has a pledged delegate lead of something like 2175 to 1876?

Usually they just couch it in innuendo, but I like this "imagine2015" guy, he just comes right out and admits it.

To the tune of of +3,000,000 votes, +300 pledged delegates.

You are aware that election winners are determined by votes, right?

Does any sane person actually think Sanders will be made the nominee if Clinton has a pledged delegate lead of something like 2175 to 1876?

It's become a cesspool.

You like playing in what you think is a sewer?

I'll tell you precisely why - Bernie is not a team player. He has done nothing to help Democrats running for Senate seat. Absolutely nothing. The final voting tallies in WI show that his voters did not vote for the down ticket candidates either. Bernie has helped three people running for seats in the House. So, is there a chance that superdelegates, people that truly understand there has to be at least a Democrat majority in the Senate, are going to switch? Not a chance in hell. Bernie will even likely lose 2-3 of the 42 that he has. And no, HRC will have to do nothing of the sort.

And after four decades of working with experienced politicians, I'm fairly confident that they are not reconsidering their support for the candidate that has won 65 percent of the contests thus far and a significant majority of the popular vote, who has spent a long career cultivating relationships with these folks, who has been a proven fundraiser on behalf of the party that they have shared an identity with for years, not a few months.

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Just bad math to point to 2383 as the target number to capture the nomination and then pretend it has to be met with pledged delegates.

2383 represents a majority of pledged AND superdelegates. And while superdelegates are not bound by their pre-convention announcements of support for a candidate, there is absolutely no reason at this point to assume any, let alone most, of them will recant on those announcements at the moment they are called on the cast their votes. Thus, "by the convention" it will be known who has 2383 or more delegates.

So if you're going to point to 2383, you should include the superedelegates.
And if you're not going to include the superdelegates, you should focus on how far each candidate is from achieving a majority of the pledged delegates.

The laws of physics and cause-and-effect are unforgiving. They must be factoring in "i" somehow.

introduced in the calculations.

The person who led in pledged delegates was nominated. That's how it works.

I was mocking the OP, welcome to DU, you've come at a good time, the Bern has been extinguished!

Bernie Sanders has been treated during the primary. It's not looking good from what I am seeing.

I'm hoping that the DNC will listen to Bernie's issues at the Convention or there may be havoc that the Party is not aware of as of yet but boy does it show all over the place. Not so much here.

This could end next week if supers get involved.

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His 478 superdelegates brought him the victory. Notice that there was not a contested convention.

There is no difference between pledged delegates and superdelegates when it comes to voting. Whoever has enough pledged and superdelegates to equal 2383 or more wins.

This argument that not getting enough pledged delegates mean a contested election is a false argument. It has no relationship to reality.

Currently, Clinton has 2165 according to the AP. (Pledged plus superdelegates) Sanders has 1357 (Pledged plus superdelegates)

One of them will have a total of pledged plus superdelegates equalling 2383 or more. They will be the winner.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

Unless there is another way if having a contested convention, or unless he pulls in more delegates somehow, it is pretty clear what is going to happen, since supers are pretty much the deciding factor in these situations. He could, I suppose convice superdelegates to support him, but that is unlikely to happen especially now.

If Hillary didn't have the pledged delegates from her win to the degree she has them then they would be in his camp. They are more icing than cake.

Bu t there wouldn't be as may Hillary folks crying foul for circumventing democracy :

Curious about that - can you provide info?

The superdelegates vote with their respective states, that's all there is to it. You have this weird and impossibly stupid idea that they are going to hold out, state after state after state, and then come to their senses (lol!) and jump to Sanders.

For fuck's sake, give it up...

doesn't quit!<SARCASM>

The superdelegates, already on Clinton's side anyways, will vote for the candidate with the most pledged delegates.

Hillary will have the majority of pledged delegates and the supers will put her over the top on the first ballot at the convention. That's how it works.

He knows this he just posts this stupid shit every day or so because he's bored.