unbelievable

It's pure math. She can't win outright without resorting to subverting the democratic process by trying to bribe superdelegates.

Subverting the democratic process? Do you have zero understanding of how this works or are you deliberately obfuscating? She will go into the convention with well over 50% of elected delegates. No-one denies that point. The OP in this thread is the one who is advocating subverting the democratic process.

So why is it subverting the democratic process when superdelegates support the candidate that won the greatest number of pledged delegates and the lion's share of the popular vote but not subverting it when, as you imagine they will, they instead vote for the candidate that came in second in the pledged delegate race?

The supers always vote for the candidate with more pledged delegates...if Bernie goes to the convention and tries anything ...he is finished in the Senate...no more cushy committees...all done. I don't think he would anyway...if he is a decent guy...he will do it by acclamation as Hillary did for Obama.

It's the ink rationale he's got left.

No amount of denial is going to change that.

Open convention means that no one gets the majority of delegates.

Democrats have pledged and unpledged delegates. Each state has a certain number of both. Each state reports all,of their delegate votes when they are called.

So, Hillary will get plenty of delegates before Wyomimg ever gets a chance to report.

Not open. Not contested. Clear majority won by Clinton.

This silliness about open and contested conventions indicates that the Sanders supporters don't understand the Democratic Convention process.

Look like morons?

God they are insufferable

Your math is completely wrong. Hillary would only need 59% of remaining delegates (or something close to it) if you look at her current total WITHOUT superdelegates and compare that to the target (a majority) needed among ALL delegates. How convention delegates work at the nominating convention is pretty common knowledge. So you are either uninformed about this topic or deliberately misleading people.

No delegates vote until the ballot is taken. And there is no way in hades Clinton doesn't win on a first ballot. Indeed, if Sanders has any class, he'll do like Clinton did and move that Hillary be nominated by acclimation.

The case is closed on Sanders fail campaign so that part is right, congrats OP!

Sid

Clinton will be declared the nominee after the first ballot.

remaining delegates, it appears there is going to be enough pledged delegates left to give Sanders a victory unless he gets a larger percentage of the pledged delegates. Now for the real math, Hillary has 2168 delegates leaving only 215 more delegates to win the nomination on the first vote. Do you think Sanders is going to be able to get 1024 delegates out of the remainder delegates and Hillary will not get the 215?

in the manner that the GOP does? You seem to have a magical fantasy that all the pledged ones vote first, and if neither candidate reaches 2,383 from that, the supers are like a final body that you think Sanders will make an emotive appeal to.


The reality is that superdelegates vote alongside their state's pledged delegates.

...if you disagree, show us how Sanders beats her.

Camp Sanders spent months screaming about the unfairness of the superdelegate system, but now that the supers are Bernie's only hope, you seek to manipulate them in whatever manner best suits you, and him?

I'm not sure whether to laugh or just take pity here.

I'm beginning to feel sorry for them. It's sad to see this happening to them. Logic has been jettisoned.

I'll play along pretending you're not a right winger trying to sow dissension. The superdelegates aren't going to give the second place candidate the nomination. That's not how things work with conventions. Hillary will have the lead in the popular vote, the pledged delegates and the superdelegates. She will get the nomination. Case closed.

I'm not interested in your faux outrage. I'll stick with the thin ice.

For what it's worth, I don't think you're a right-winger, it looks like the delusion is very real.

Has your fever broken? Do you realize now our convention will not be "open" but an orderly and scripted affair?

It will not be an open Convention. The notion that "superdelegates can vote for anyone" is as meaningless as "it's still mathematically possible for Sanders to win". The superdelegates who have announced support for Clinton will retain their support for Clinton. Nobody has presented them with the coherent reason to switch (hint: professional politicians aren't impressed by anonymous bloggers talking them about head-to-head polls). More superdelegates will announce their support for her before the Convention. They will all show in Philadelphia and will vote for Clinton on the first ballot.

The day you acknowledge that superdelegates and the majority of Democratic voters actually like Hillary Clinton" will be your first step to recovery.

See you in Philly!

It's the same situation as 2008, but she's in better shape.

with pride and defiance.

You would flunk with an "F"....

"Shove it you asshat."

Let's see, constantly insult the party, it's member and it process...get millions FEWER votes...only win in caucus or "open" primaries....and continue to spread ring wing lies about a party leader.

Yeah, that'll work

They will remind him of what he has been saying about Democrats in the past and now.

From his own Press Release: Sanders to Democratic Party: Whose Side are We On?

She will be SIGNIFICANTLY ahead in pledged delegates and barring the indictment fairy coming, there is no way Sanders flips enough Supers to win. And if he did, what does that say about his respect for democracy? He lost the popular vote. By a LOT.

Bernie can not win...she will be ahead in pledged delegates. She is ahead of him in polls for future primaries too. If he has not conceded by the convention, during the first ballot...Hillary is ahead...supers add on their votes...she wins...over and done. And at this point, Bernie will be escorted out no doubt and will be a pariah forever. My guess is he will concede after California. I don't see him taking it to the convention...he would be finished politically: he would have no committees or anything. By the way...it was much closer in 08 and the supers put Obama ahead...this is why the Democrats do not have contested conventions which is smart in my opinion. The supers vote for the person who win the pledged delegates, and Bernie can not catch up.

I have seen no posts detailing these Clinton abuses. I seems the only abuse Bernie endured was losing.

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Case closed.

Of course the super delegates are going to deny the nomination to the candidate who outpaces Sanders in pledged delegates and even the popular vote. That's why Hillary is president today.

Yeah, that's bound to happen.

It's fucking over! The lights are turned off. The floor sweeper left an hour ago. The only one left at the party is the old guy with a lampshade on his head screaming "oligarchs!"

It's exhausting.

Wait. I'll havei to ignore you too to not see your drivel. Damn. Well I don't ignore people because it is childish.

After the voting was done, everyone knew Obama had won the nomination. Nobody thought the superdelegates were going to change their minds.

2016 will be no different.

See you at the convention where Hillary will win on the first and only ballot

361 out of 1016, to win a majority of the pledged delegates.

And the candidate with the most pledged delegates will win the nomination.

Sid

superdelegates count - they don't need your approval.

Maybe a new hobby would help.

There is no difference between pledged delegates and superdelegates when it comes to voting. Whoever has enough pledged and superdelegates to equal 2383 or more wins.

This argument that not getting enough pledged delegates mean a contested election is a false argument. It has no relationship to reality. It is demonstrably false.

Currently, Clinton has 2165 according to the AP. (Pledged plus superdelegates) Sanders has 1357 (Pledged plus superdelegates)

One of them will have a total of pledged plus superdelegates equalling 2383 or more. That will be the winner.

Democratic primaries award delegates proportionally. Clinton needs 218 delegates. They can be pledged rn superdelegates, because they all count in the first vote.

Sanders needs 708 more pledged and super delegates to win.

Please stop posting this false information.

For your information, in 2008, 2117 delegates were needed to win. Obama only had 1,828½ pledged delegates.
His 478 superdelegates brought him the victory. Notice that there was no contested convention because he did not have to win by pledged delegates.

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