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MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:09 PM Apr 2016

The Bernie Sanders primary campaign should be a lesson for progressives.

There have been progressives active in this country for just about forever. It should be a unified movement, but it's actually several movements, each with a fairly narrow set of beliefs. The progressive "movement" is made up of many individual groups, from environmentalists and anarcho-syndicalists to animal rights activists and other more or less single-issue-focused groups.

That's been going on for years. Normally, progressives don't field a presidential candidate with any hint of viability. This year, Bernie gave them a chance to come together and try an end run for the White House. But, they've always been around, and often try to get people elected to legislative offices. Typically, that's less than successful, but most congressional and state legislative races have progressive candidates running, right through the primary. Those candidates could be more successful, if only people understood how to make them successful. It's actually pretty simple.

The problem is that in most areas, there just aren't enough progressives who actually work together to overcome the Democratic Party's endorsed incumbent or candidate. It's easy to run for office in most states. Getting past the primary, on the other hand, is usually very difficult, indeed, if there is a solid Democrat running who can get endorsed by the local Democratic Party organization.

It would be easier if more people bothered to show up to primaries where legislative offices were being contested, but we're not very good about doing that, really. That's especially true in mid-term elections, unfortunately. So, in Democratic legislative districts, it's usually a well-known, long-time Democrat who gets the nod in the primary.

If you want to know why that is, volunteer as a poll worker in a mid-term legislative primary election and watch who is coming through the door to vote. You'll see the same faces at every primary election. They're almost all long-time democrats who vote in all elections, reliably and out of a sense of responsibility to participate. They're the actual base of the Democratic Party - the voters who can always be counted on to come to the polling place, no matter what offices are up for grabs. They even show up for odd-year city and county elections. When they do, they vote for the Democrats they know and skip the ones they don't.

And there you have it. If progressives want to elect more progressive legislators, they're going to have to do the hard work of bringing enough enough voters together who agree with them and get them to those under-attended primaries. It should be easy to do, given the low turnout for primaries, but it rarely seems to happen, really. The solid, reliable base, though, does turn out and vote for their solid, reliable candidates. That's why they're treated as the base.

Don't tell anyone, but I just explained how to have a real voter revolution in this country. It's a secret, though, so don't spread the word around. Thanks.

Note: This material in this OP was posted in another thread as a reply. Some people suggested that I make it an OP. As always, this is my opinion. Thanks for reading it.

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The Bernie Sanders primary campaign should be a lesson for progressives. (Original Post) MineralMan Apr 2016 OP
This is exactly the problem Blaukraut Apr 2016 #1
That is why the major political parties succeed. MineralMan Apr 2016 #3
The 'Democratic Machine' is often scoffed at here in Massachusetts Blaukraut Apr 2016 #6
Political parties work at the local and every other level. MineralMan Apr 2016 #8
And, despite the god-awful gerrymandering, progressives or even base Dems could make a difference if Jitter65 Apr 2016 #36
Yes. It's sad when there are no primary challengers for a candidate. MineralMan Apr 2016 #39
Im a single-issue voter: F××k Trump. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #2
Oh, absolutely. I think we're all part of that group. MineralMan Apr 2016 #5
I'm in that club as well! workinclasszero Apr 2016 #26
Is that how the DLC did it? zipplewrath Apr 2016 #4
The DLC no longer exists. It is defunct. MineralMan Apr 2016 #7
So you don't zipplewrath Apr 2016 #9
I also know some elected officials. MineralMan Apr 2016 #15
Do you mean the DNC or DLC? brush Apr 2016 #29
The latter zipplewrath Apr 2016 #35
It should be a lesson for establishment types, too. Marr Apr 2016 #10
So get to work. The OP laid out how to do it. brush Apr 2016 #30
The OP didn't lay out anything we didn't already know, and many of us already have been working. Marr Apr 2016 #38
well you would see me every election, the problem there are fewer people I want to vote for, hollysmom Apr 2016 #11
Are you related to Ann Landers? closeupready Apr 2016 #12
Sorry, no. I never met her. MineralMan Apr 2016 #13
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #18
Ah. I thought it might be something like that. MineralMan Apr 2016 #19
You started the discussion. That is what I have in response. closeupready Apr 2016 #21
And yet, you took the time to read this and post a reply. MineralMan Apr 2016 #23
Interesting in a negative way. Your daily nagging is repulsive. closeupready Apr 2016 #24
Well, I usually post one or two thread starters every day, MineralMan Apr 2016 #25
Glad to know that you can take criticism as well as you enjoy dishing it out. closeupready Apr 2016 #28
I'm sure you will do as you please. MineralMan Apr 2016 #32
Just so you know, I never alert on replies to me. MineralMan Apr 2016 #37
FYI he's now getting a closeup from the Admins, as in flagged for review. Hekate Apr 2016 #43
And, yet you're the one that is FFR. Cha Apr 2016 #45
+++ frylock Apr 2016 #20
Couldn't agree more. KPN Apr 2016 #27
Here's the lesson whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #14
Yah, well, good luck with that. MineralMan Apr 2016 #16
"End Run" my ass. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #17
+!000 KPN Apr 2016 #31
+1 Marr Apr 2016 #40
Lesson from '68 convention... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #22
Ralph Nader should give you an idea what's in store for the establishment Democrats. jalan48 Apr 2016 #33
A political movement requires its members to take a long view. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #34
Great and fair post, MM! yallerdawg Apr 2016 #41
Solutions are always better than negative vocalizations :) nt JSup Apr 2016 #42
KnR, MM Hekate Apr 2016 #44
POC and women, in large numbers, must have a buy-in. Garrett78 Apr 2016 #46
We don't need to be Hillsplained to. jfern Apr 2016 #47
Give people something to vote for and they'll show up Rebkeh Apr 2016 #48

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
1. This is exactly the problem
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:19 PM
Apr 2016

It's not enough to get excited and motivated every four years and not even have any idea who is running down ticket. We need to stay involved and build the infrastructure of a movement starting with the the 'lowliest' local elections.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
3. That is why the major political parties succeed.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:24 PM
Apr 2016

They have established, active organizations that meet regularly - every year. Those organizations are not large on a local basis. In fact, there a lot like a typical service club. They do the organizing and keep track of things like filing deadlines and many other details. Then, when election time approaches, they do all the scut work of actually putting things together.

A small group with a big impact. That's the Democratic Party organization in your city, county and legislative districts. Just a small group of people who give a crap about this stuff and are willing to get together when needed to do all the actual work that is involved in getting people elected.

You'd be surprised at how small the active group is in any area. That's how it works.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
6. The 'Democratic Machine' is often scoffed at here in Massachusetts
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

but they are extremely effective because they work exactly as you described.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
8. Political parties work at the local and every other level.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:34 PM
Apr 2016

It's really just a matter of organization and hard work. You have to combine both to make it all come together.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
36. And, despite the god-awful gerrymandering, progressives or even base Dems could make a difference if
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:44 PM
Apr 2016

they just got involve. There should be NO uncontested government offices at the state or local levels. But it seems to be far easier for Independents and so-called "progressives" to leave the heavy lifting to base Democrats and just sit back and complain about how bad or wrong they are if when they are elected.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
39. Yes. It's sad when there are no primary challengers for a candidate.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:47 PM
Apr 2016

A challenge might not succeed, but there's no real reason someone shouldn't try. I'm always surprised when there aren't primary challengers, even for candidates I think are doing a great job. There's probably always someone out there who could do it better, but unless they file and make their case, nobody will know.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
4. Is that how the DLC did it?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:25 PM
Apr 2016

I'm not sure your unsupported thesis is consistent with recent history.

Do you have any real historical data to back up your assertions?

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
7. The DLC no longer exists. It is defunct.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:31 PM
Apr 2016

But, yes, as a matter of fact. But, see, I'm talking about legislative and local elections here. The organizations can be much, much smaller and still be effective. Then, those small organizations get together in larger areas and do the same thing in larger districts or entire states.

It's sort of like your local Rotary Club, but political. The local club has delegates to the regional club, and so on to the state club, the national club and finally to Rotary International. Political parties work exactly the same way, with each organizational level acting on issues relating to the area they represent.

It's not rocket science. The Democratic Party is just a big ol' club. You can join it or start a whole new club. To compete, though, that new club is going to have to have the scope and organization needed to compete. There's just too much work to be done for it to be a casual association.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
9. So you don't
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:42 PM
Apr 2016

So you don't have anything to support your assertions?

The reason I ask is because I've had this same discussion with two folks who, ya know, actually got elected. One at the local level and one at the Federal/Congressional level. And they both say you're full of it. (Well, I may be paraphrasing a bit). Furthermore, they actually support the fact that if you're not aligned with the money/power, you're gonna ultimately lose. Worse, as the federal level guy said, at that level it basically is all about either "working" the power, or being worked by it. His lament was that lately it was more getting "worked" by it.

Ya know, it's fairly similar to what Hillary claims, that progress comes by working the power and she knows how to do that. It is the slam against Bernie that he doesn't know how and that's why he is where he is. Heck, they just had a 60 minutes episode about how the party "requires" them to work the phones for hours each day.

So, again, do you have anything to support this assertion of yours?

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
10. It should be a lesson for establishment types, too.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:43 PM
Apr 2016

An increasing number of the people they take for granted are fed up with dressed-up trickle-down economics-- including an overwhelming majority of millennials, the people who are the future of the party.

You want to talk about taking over the party over the long term? I'll see your retread 'hippies are lazy' speech and up you a generation of people who don't like your politics.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
38. The OP didn't lay out anything we didn't already know, and many of us already have been working.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:47 PM
Apr 2016

But thanks.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
11. well you would see me every election, the problem there are fewer people I want to vote for,
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:51 PM
Apr 2016

the reasonable candidate does not want someone to attack them for just trying to serve, the negativity that money brings with advertising is strong. The rich used to only bother with the top elections, but not they are permeating the local election as well, people who are from different parties feel that way to win is to run under what ever party wins in the district.

Response to MineralMan (Reply #13)

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
19. Ah. I thought it might be something like that.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:10 PM
Apr 2016

I hope you feel better now, after writing that.

"old shrew nagging," eh? That's a first-time insult here on DU for me. Congratulations.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
21. You started the discussion. That is what I have in response.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:12 PM
Apr 2016

I have zero interest in your daily nagging.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
23. And yet, you took the time to read this and post a reply.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:18 PM
Apr 2016

Perhaps you are more interested than you claim. Who can say? In any case, thanks for your time.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
24. Interesting in a negative way. Your daily nagging is repulsive.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:21 PM
Apr 2016

Do it tomorrow, and I might post yet again. That's how a message board works. You'd know that, given your experience with message boards.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
25. Well, I usually post one or two thread starters every day,
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:24 PM
Apr 2016

so you'll probably get another chance. There is a way, of course, to never see another post of mine on DU. A lot of people use the Ignore feature. I don't. If I find someone's postings to be offensive, I usually just skip reading their threads.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
28. Glad to know that you can take criticism as well as you enjoy dishing it out.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

I may very well take you up on your offer tomorrow, or the day after. Or perhaps I won't bother ever again. We'll see how I feel.

I don't know you, so obviously, it can't be a personal thing.

Cheers.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
37. Just so you know, I never alert on replies to me.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:45 PM
Apr 2016

Never. I just noticed that your first post was hidden. It wasn't my alert. It never is.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
22. Lesson from '68 convention...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:13 PM
Apr 2016

In this present day the threshold to trigger larger public activism hasn't been met yet, sadly that bar seems much higher than one would expect...

throughout this nation and society there have been many movements / revolutions that tipped the policy scales and changed elected officials in power through elections

Jimmy Carter is a result of '68 convention, that 'power' within the DEM party shocked and terrified the establishment, to your point....

You speak to establishment politics, that's fine, but at least be honest about it without the troll aspect in your OP concerning progressive ideology

Back to Jimmy Carter, he was not the candidate establishment wanted, they couldn't stop him so they devised the SDs to combat that type of revolution / movement within the DEM party

Now to present, we have two candidates in this primary that won't have enough delegates to earn the nomination until the convention and when SD will be able to cast their vote to stop Bernie....

During that convention those progressives that HAVE built delegates to send to convention will have a say in the platform and planks that are built for the candidate to take to GE... so you did avoid stating that bit....

You're entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts...

jalan48

(13,865 posts)
33. Ralph Nader should give you an idea what's in store for the establishment Democrats.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:34 PM
Apr 2016

Time for the establishment to start making some serious changes.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
34. A political movement requires its members to take a long view.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:35 PM
Apr 2016

You can not say if we just elect this one candidate we can go home.
People should think in terms of 1, 5 and ten years.
A movement needs to develop a relationship with elected officials that they did not back. Even a small step in the direction people want to go should be rewarded.
No candidate should ever be critical to a movement.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
46. POC and women, in large numbers, must have a buy-in.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 02:27 AM
Apr 2016

Also known as "the base." POC and women make up an increasingly large percentage of Democrats, as US demographics continue to shift.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511829582

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
48. Give people something to vote for and they'll show up
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 02:34 AM
Apr 2016

I agree progressives should show up and do the work, but the onus is ultimately on the candidates to earn the votes, not the other way around. A representative government means the people make the rules, they call the shots.

The script has been backwards for far too long.

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