2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCan someone tell me what our current thinking is on Superdelegates?
...I'm having a hard time keeping up.
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Superdelegates are BAD and shouldn't be counted | |
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Superdelegates are OKAY, but should vote the way their State or district voted | |
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Superdelegates are GOOD and should vote for Sanders regardless of how their State or District voted | |
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(11,641 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)They shouldn't exist.
lakeguy
(1,640 posts)onenote
(42,703 posts)Without super delegates, there would be a total of 4051 delegates and Clinton would need 2026 to win. She has 1645 (give or take a couple depending on what site you rely on). So she'd need 381 more delegates. There are still 1088 pledged delegates in the states that haven't decided. That means that Clinton needs only 35 percent of the remaining delegates to win the nomination if you take super delegates out of the mix.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Preferably, one with even more condescension.
MadBadger
(24,089 posts)Autumn
(45,084 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Autumn
(45,084 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)but if possible, not overturn the popular vote
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)Even as a Hillary supporter, I think they're terrible. I hate the twisting, uncertainty and divisiveness they create.
All elections should be monitored/administered by representatives of interested parties on the ballot. Voting "irregularities" should not be as predictable as death and taxes in this country. At worst, they result in genuinely illegitimate and disastrous outcomes. Most importantly; in all instances, they provide refuge for conspiracy, depress participation and invariably, disenfranchise the vulnerable and those already marginalized.
Primaries should be closed. If you want to have a say in the selection of the Democratic Party, register as a Democrat. It's not too much to ask. Everyone is invited to the party and by all means - change your registration the next day if you like, but if you can't be bothered to take the time to RSVP, don't be surprised when the menu selection is chosen for you. That being said - there should absolutely be a limit to the amount of time required to register with the party before voting, and 30 days maximum damn well ought to be enough. States wishing to could be allowed to facilitate same-day registration if they like. I'm against it but I can see some valid arguments in favor and perhaps that decision is best left on a state to state basis according to their resources and wishes.
Superdelegates and caucuses are archaic and undemocratic and they both disenfranchise voters. Neither of them should be acceptable in the Democratic Party.
My 2 cents.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The reason is the importance of the establishment and party unity necessary across the country to hold onto my rights, and to expand them. These things aren't fought and won by Lone Wolfs.
I also don't seem to have an issue with Supers voting against the voters of state they reside in. Unlike PD's, they aren't direct representatives of the electorate of their state, more the party as a whole.
Our new friend have the wrong idea of party dominance. It isn't to put a boot on peoples necks. Its to be able to fight in every corner of the country and to amass power in Washington.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)"we" don't have any "current thinking." That would be groupthink, which I personally don't subscribe to. Also, I don't think you'll find much on DU about the primaries or the primary process that is unified at all, let alone enough to be labeled "we."
treestar
(82,383 posts)Third choice will win!
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)If the SDs were more interested in the good of the party than their own position within the party, it could work
Unfortunately, that isn't the case.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)... and who doesn't personally profit from the corrupt system is a fool.
Superdelegates should be replaced by regular delegates which has the net effect of both A and B.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)SDs were part of the rules heading into this primary, so they should be counted.
I would like to see them eliminated in future elections.
Pop vote, and pop vote only, imo, should be the only factor when determing a nominee, even if the candidates I support never win an election ever again.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I think unless all the primaries are closed, the system is too exposed to rat-fucking, and we need some kind of fail-safe.
I'd prefer a direct vote (not caucuses) in closed primaries with no super delegates.