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brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:29 PM Apr 2016

Can someone tell me what our current thinking is on Superdelegates?

...I'm having a hard time keeping up.


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Superdelegates are BAD and shouldn't be counted
2 (100%)
Superdelegates are OKAY, but should vote the way their State or district voted
0 (0%)
Superdelegates are GOOD and should vote for Sanders regardless of how their State or District voted
0 (0%)
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Can someone tell me what our current thinking is on Superdelegates? (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2016 OP
Lobbyists that are super delegates make me cringe... think Apr 2016 #1
All superdelegates make me cringe. Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #8
they shouldn't exist lakeguy Apr 2016 #2
And if they didn't Clinton would be even closer to winning the nomination than she is now. onenote Apr 2016 #17
Need more options, please. Orsino Apr 2016 #3
Super D's are bad, but should be counted until the system is changed. MadBadger Apr 2016 #4
Funny how Hillary supporters really need to be told what to think. Autumn Apr 2016 #5
Have there been any SOP alerts?...nt SidDithers Apr 2016 #13
You would know that more than I. Doesn't change the fact that not all Meta is treated equal. nt Autumn Apr 2016 #14
Oh, sorry. Thought you were a Host...nt SidDithers Apr 2016 #15
Ask Tad Devine: SDs are good, should vote any way they want robbedvoter Apr 2016 #6
I have always thought that the idea of Supers was pretty much awful. Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #7
I don't have a great issue with them. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #9
Pass, because LWolf Apr 2016 #10
LOL treestar Apr 2016 #11
A good idea that didn't work. Motown_Johnny Apr 2016 #12
9 percent of superdelegates are lobbyists. Anyone who can't see the problem with this... lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #16
SDs should be counted this cycle. They should be eliminated in the future. bigwillq Apr 2016 #18
I'd rather not have them, BUT..... Adrahil Apr 2016 #19
Toss 'em. The Democratic Party should be democratic. Prism Apr 2016 #20
. . . Codeine Apr 2016 #21

onenote

(42,703 posts)
17. And if they didn't Clinton would be even closer to winning the nomination than she is now.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:33 PM
Apr 2016

Without super delegates, there would be a total of 4051 delegates and Clinton would need 2026 to win. She has 1645 (give or take a couple depending on what site you rely on). So she'd need 381 more delegates. There are still 1088 pledged delegates in the states that haven't decided. That means that Clinton needs only 35 percent of the remaining delegates to win the nomination if you take super delegates out of the mix.

Autumn

(45,084 posts)
5. Funny how Hillary supporters really need to be told what to think.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:53 PM
Apr 2016
We know Hillary folk don't do poo stirring Meta posts. Amirite?

robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
6. Ask Tad Devine: SDs are good, should vote any way they want
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:55 PM
Apr 2016

but if possible, not overturn the popular vote

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
7. I have always thought that the idea of Supers was pretty much awful.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:46 PM
Apr 2016

Even as a Hillary supporter, I think they're terrible. I hate the twisting, uncertainty and divisiveness they create.

All elections should be monitored/administered by representatives of interested parties on the ballot. Voting "irregularities" should not be as predictable as death and taxes in this country. At worst, they result in genuinely illegitimate and disastrous outcomes. Most importantly; in all instances, they provide refuge for conspiracy, depress participation and invariably, disenfranchise the vulnerable and those already marginalized.

Primaries should be closed. If you want to have a say in the selection of the Democratic Party, register as a Democrat. It's not too much to ask. Everyone is invited to the party and by all means - change your registration the next day if you like, but if you can't be bothered to take the time to RSVP, don't be surprised when the menu selection is chosen for you. That being said - there should absolutely be a limit to the amount of time required to register with the party before voting, and 30 days maximum damn well ought to be enough. States wishing to could be allowed to facilitate same-day registration if they like. I'm against it but I can see some valid arguments in favor and perhaps that decision is best left on a state to state basis according to their resources and wishes.

Superdelegates and caucuses are archaic and undemocratic and they both disenfranchise voters. Neither of them should be acceptable in the Democratic Party.

My 2 cents.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
9. I don't have a great issue with them.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:56 PM
Apr 2016

The reason is the importance of the establishment and party unity necessary across the country to hold onto my rights, and to expand them. These things aren't fought and won by Lone Wolfs.

I also don't seem to have an issue with Supers voting against the voters of state they reside in. Unlike PD's, they aren't direct representatives of the electorate of their state, more the party as a whole.

Our new friend have the wrong idea of party dominance. It isn't to put a boot on peoples necks. Its to be able to fight in every corner of the country and to amass power in Washington.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
10. Pass, because
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:59 PM
Apr 2016

"we" don't have any "current thinking." That would be groupthink, which I personally don't subscribe to. Also, I don't think you'll find much on DU about the primaries or the primary process that is unified at all, let alone enough to be labeled "we."

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
12. A good idea that didn't work.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:13 PM
Apr 2016

If the SDs were more interested in the good of the party than their own position within the party, it could work

Unfortunately, that isn't the case.



 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
16. 9 percent of superdelegates are lobbyists. Anyone who can't see the problem with this...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 07:23 PM
Apr 2016

... and who doesn't personally profit from the corrupt system is a fool.

Superdelegates should be replaced by regular delegates which has the net effect of both A and B.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
18. SDs should be counted this cycle. They should be eliminated in the future.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:36 PM
Apr 2016

SDs were part of the rules heading into this primary, so they should be counted.
I would like to see them eliminated in future elections.
Pop vote, and pop vote only, imo, should be the only factor when determing a nominee, even if the candidates I support never win an election ever again.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
19. I'd rather not have them, BUT.....
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 08:45 PM
Apr 2016

I think unless all the primaries are closed, the system is too exposed to rat-fucking, and we need some kind of fail-safe.

I'd prefer a direct vote (not caucuses) in closed primaries with no super delegates.

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