2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIt doesn't make sense for Bernie supporters to harass superdelegates and call them "bitches"
Right now it's obvious that Bernie Sanders will not be leading in pledged delegates or the popular vote when the 2016 primary season concludes. In order for him to win the nomination, he will need superdelegates to put him over the top.
So it doesn't make sense for his supporters to harass them, call them bitches, or say they should be assassinated.
It's self-defeating.
-----------------------
Nancy Schumacher says she just wanted to do her civic duty, and so she heeded the call to become a superdelegate for Hillary Clinton. But in the year of the angry voter, not even an administrative assistant from Elk River, Minnesota, can escape the outrage.
"Some of the (phone and email) messages called me names. Some of them called Hillary names. And others said I was a stupid bitch and something bad will happen to me," said Schumacher, a Democratic committee member. "It's kind of hard to take sometimes."
<...>
Schumacher says she's received vitriolic phone and email messages from self-identified Sanders backers and doesn't quite understand how things got quite so nasty. Eight years ago, she backed Clinton but said she "cheerfully" switched to Illinois Sen. Barack Obama. She'd do the same, she said, if Sanders won the popular vote or pledged delegates from state primary elections.
<...>
Gus Bickford, the former executive director of the Massachusetts Democratic Party, was taken aback by the threats that flowed into his inbox and onto his Facebook page.
"Someone put up a list of the superdelegates and a person from Rhode Island posted a response that basically said, 'They should all be assassinated' and then said 'I'm only joking,'" recalled Bickford. "With the way people are talking, you never know who's going to take something like that seriously."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/clinton-backers-feel-bern-angry-sanders-supporters-38741118
Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)
Post removed
chascarrillo
(3,897 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I imagine many otherwise clever little people confuse consensual sex with sexism. It happens when we allow bias to prevent rational thought...
chascarrillo
(3,897 posts)They're hardly exclusionary.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)The HOFFERS would be in here explaining that to you except they are now mostly Hillary supporters and Hillary supporters don't stand on their principles when it means they can't defend their chosen one.
.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)WhiteTara
(29,715 posts)RandySF
(58,832 posts)savalez
(3,517 posts)why not replicate them over the phone?
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)It's an old Karl Rove trick. Hillary must have bought his playbook.
savalez
(3,517 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Sounds like more dirty tricks.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)every call has been made by a true blue Sanders backer.
I have met hundreds of Sanders volunteers and supporters during this campaign. To a person, nobody espouses this behavior. So you tell me where it's coming from. I'm not saying all, but their is definitely some friendly fire here.
Again though, you all have this wrapped up yet are OBSESSED with taking down people you NEED for October. It's actually getting comical.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)This narrative is real. That is what makes it tough for the solid Sanders supporters. Many of them are left shaking their heads. So sad how much of the narrative they have taken up.
rock
(13,218 posts)They think the best way to persuade someone is to insult them.
think
(11,641 posts)typical behavior of ANY Hillary supporter I know nor would I infer it.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)160. I can and will make both points. Hillary is corrupt and her supporters are using right wing memes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511855930#post160
No broad brushes aren't cool, but I guess we all use them from time to time.
think
(11,641 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)we all do it. It's not intentional and we don't literally mean 'all', at least I don't think we do. I've done and I certainly don't mean 'all'.
I actually hate that we're tripping & trippin' over every word.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)I realize it's not most, but it is a large number of them. They must get off on belittling and browbeating people. I just don't understand this way of thinking.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)They're people too.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Interesting way to win over votes.
Iceberg!
kansasblue
(4,270 posts)IMHO
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Any audio, call logs, names of the person who called them, transcription of what they said, proof of connection to the Sanders campaign? Anything at ALL ??
Or was it THIS guy?
all american girl
(1,788 posts)I think it's not that far of a stretch to believe this is happening. Many Bernie supporters would swarm accounts of people and groups who endorsed Hillary. This sounds like the same practice.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)Where exactly did this happen?
all american girl
(1,788 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)Sounds like it's for the birds!
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)John Lewis
Gabby Giffords
Planned Parenthood
BLM
Jane Goodall
Yes, past behavior indeed.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)If I was a superdelegate I would be recording these calls or logging the numbers at the very least.
Meanwhile we know that the case of Champagne guy did what he did. And there he is pictured with Hillary.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)We call ourselves ho's and b word all the time. We own it. It is not even gender specific, dontcha know. More, an endearment.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Hillary should and will try to court progressives, but this behavior is on Bernie.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
Tarc
(10,476 posts)for over a year now. The overlap between the two groups is remarkable.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Shame on you.
I actually believe that BernieBros were David plants. Because not one Bernie fan I know would ever act like that.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Nancy Schumacher says she just wanted to do her civic duty, and so she heeded the call to become a superdelegate for Hillary Clinton. But in the year of the angry voter, not even an administrative assistant from Elk River, Minnesota, can escape the outrage.
"Some of the (phone and email) messages called me names. Some of them called Hillary names. And others said I was a stupid bitch and something bad will happen to me," said Schumacher, a Democratic committee member. "It's kind of hard to take sometimes."
Nancy Schumacher is a genuine superdelegate
But her list of more than 60 supporters also includes House DFL leader Paul Thissen, 14 other DFL lawmakers, Minneapolis Mayor Betsy Hodges, St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman, Hubert Buck Humphrey of the Humphrey family, Education Minnesota president Denise Specht, Democratic National Committee member Nancy Schumacher a superdelegate and an array of former officials, city council members and activists. Another Clinton endorser is Alan Page, newly freed to endorse after retiring from the Minnesota Supreme Court this summer.
who has stated she has received threatening phone calls.
So, would you care to step up and swing again, bro?
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)White upper class haters concerned about their privileges...period.
Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)
Post removed
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)Autumn
(45,084 posts)leftinportland
(247 posts)I've suspected many of these incidents were not being perpetrated by Bernie supporters. Now after learning Brock and company were spending 1 million dollars for disruptions I know these are not Bernie supporters.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)RandySF
(58,832 posts)I think the Sanders campaign needs to run these people through an etiquette course.
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)And then they should collect all those screen captures into one image to show you exactly how vicious, vitriolic, and hateful Bernie supporters have been to the super delegates, all while apparently hoping that will motivate them to switch to their candidate.
Never mind that these supers are committed to the success of a party that Bernie disparaged for years (and yes, caucused with because, like, it's not like the Republicans would have him), but after the abuse they've taken on their social media pages, I can't imagine the supers are going to switch. I have noticed a slight change in tone since Tuesday. Now I've seen Bernie supporters toning it down practically to the point of pleading with the supers, but they should have tried that to begin with rather than arrogantly berating them.
I notice they don't tell Raúl Grijalva to support the majority vote of his state, a point that not a single Sanders supporter on this site has yet addressed the numerous times I've brought that point up.
Here's just a tiny taste of how they've been to Howard Dean.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Considering how egregious and disgusting and amoral that was I'm sure you were quick to condemn that with an OP, right?
.
LostOne4Ever
(9,288 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Super-delegates should be either gotten rid of, or only used in the event of a tie.
Super-delegates and caucuses are horribly undemocratic and I wouldn't support anyone (Bernie or Hillary) who wins the nomination using Super delegates when they lost via pledge delegates.
In fact, I prefer if we went by popular vote only. This is supposed to be the DEMOCRATIC party, we should run our primaries like it.
Again, I say this regardless of who is winning and by what means.[/font]
MFM008
(19,808 posts)especially by 3 million votes.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Calling names rarely leads to dialogue.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)FourScore
(9,704 posts)More Brock.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)They should.
I don't condone that kind of language or allusions but then again candidate Clinton pondered presumptive nominees assassination as a reason to not drop out of the 2008 primary. She really set the bar.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)They work for David Brock