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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:07 PM Apr 2016

It doesn't make sense for Bernie supporters to harass superdelegates and call them "bitches"

Right now it's obvious that Bernie Sanders will not be leading in pledged delegates or the popular vote when the 2016 primary season concludes. In order for him to win the nomination, he will need superdelegates to put him over the top.

So it doesn't make sense for his supporters to harass them, call them bitches, or say they should be assassinated.

It's self-defeating.

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Nancy Schumacher says she just wanted to do her civic duty, and so she heeded the call to become a superdelegate for Hillary Clinton. But in the year of the angry voter, not even an administrative assistant from Elk River, Minnesota, can escape the outrage.

"Some of the (phone and email) messages called me names. Some of them called Hillary names. And others said I was a stupid bitch and something bad will happen to me," said Schumacher, a Democratic committee member. "It's kind of hard to take sometimes."

<...>

Schumacher says she's received vitriolic phone and email messages from self-identified Sanders backers and doesn't quite understand how things got quite so nasty. Eight years ago, she backed Clinton but said she "cheerfully" switched to Illinois Sen. Barack Obama. She'd do the same, she said, if Sanders won the popular vote or pledged delegates from state primary elections.

<...>

Gus Bickford, the former executive director of the Massachusetts Democratic Party, was taken aback by the threats that flowed into his inbox and onto his Facebook page.

"Someone put up a list of the superdelegates and a person from Rhode Island posted a response that basically said, 'They should all be assassinated'
and then said 'I'm only joking,'" recalled Bickford. "With the way people are talking, you never know who's going to take something like that seriously."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/clinton-backers-feel-bern-angry-sanders-supporters-38741118
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It doesn't make sense for Bernie supporters to harass superdelegates and call them "bitches" (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 OP
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #1
Worse than screwing interns? -nt- chascarrillo Apr 2016 #8
Why? Was Bernie screwing interns? COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #11
I imagine many otherwise clever little people confuse consensual sex with sexism. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #16
You can have consensual sex and still behave like a sexist while engaging in it. chascarrillo Apr 2016 #18
Monica could have always said "Cut out it" to her Boss, like Hillary did with Her Bosses. bahrbearian Apr 2016 #24
Liberals who say it's ok for the president to have sex with white house interns, if it's consensual Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #61
When you are an older man in a position of power it is not necessarily consensual. cui bono Apr 2016 #42
That cuts across a lot of lines now don't it. fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #45
Yes WhiteTara Apr 2016 #32
Yes, threatening someone's life is worse than screwing an intern. RandySF Apr 2016 #37
Their online tactics are working so well... savalez Apr 2016 #2
You mean the online dirty tricks against Bernie's supporters and his campaign... Skwmom Apr 2016 #4
No. savalez Apr 2016 #13
You mean the Hillary supporters pretending to be Bernie supporters? nichomachus Apr 2016 #50
Nope. savalez Apr 2016 #52
That alllegation does not even pass the smell test. n/t Skwmom Apr 2016 #3
I agree arikara Apr 2016 #54
And I am sure SheenaR Apr 2016 #5
Sad Sad people. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #6
In general it seems to be the practice of the BSers rock Apr 2016 #7
Broad brushes aren't cool. A Hillary supporter posted porn on Bernie Facebook pages. This isn't think Apr 2016 #9
Broad brushes aren't cool one_voice Apr 2016 #20
You got me. I should have said some of her supporters. I'm sorry for the broad brush. think Apr 2016 #21
I wasn't trying to 'get you'... one_voice Apr 2016 #33
Why should they stop? They've been doing it online for months now. all american girl Apr 2016 #14
Why are you picking on Hillary supporters? Human101948 Apr 2016 #29
I know exactly how you feel. This morning BS was on TV bashing the Democratic party. Again. fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #46
False flag ops kansasblue Apr 2016 #10
Any evidence of this claim? GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #12
Well, if past behavior is anything to go by, all american girl Apr 2016 #15
Wow, that's awful! Human101948 Apr 2016 #30
Maybe you can go look at at Trayvon Martin's mom's twitter timeline. all american girl Apr 2016 #39
Don't know anything about Twitter... Human101948 Apr 2016 #40
~ fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #47
And... Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #55
and yet no evidence now or in the past GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #44
Cause really we like to be called the B word am I right Sanders women? Nothing sexist about this. seabeyond Apr 2016 #17
These are the wounds Bernie needs to heal. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #19
Who are these people?? Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #22
Well, Gus Bickford is a guy who can't take a joke! immoderate Apr 2016 #35
The Bernie fans are doing to superdelegates what Gamergate has done to female game devs Tarc Apr 2016 #23
Bull. ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2016 #26
Reading the cited sources actually helps one avoid looking like a fool Tarc Apr 2016 #31
They are one and the same IMO workinclasszero Apr 2016 #43
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #25
Glass houses surround us, I hope they remain intact for safety reasons... AuntPatsy Apr 2016 #27
I'm inclined to consider this to be Brockshit nt Autumn Apr 2016 #28
And you know they are Bernie supporters because? leftinportland Apr 2016 #34
Try to work that out logically for us, as a favor. eom fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #48
No, that's generally not very effective RandySF Apr 2016 #36
Someone should go screen capture Bernie supporters harassing super delegates on their Facebook pages nolawarlock Apr 2016 #38
It doesn't make sense for Hillary supporters to post child pornography online. cui bono Apr 2016 #41
Regardless of who wins the pledge delegates or popular vote, LostOne4Ever Apr 2016 #49
it does when your losing MFM008 Apr 2016 #51
Recommended. Agreed, this is totally counterproductive. guillaumeb Apr 2016 #53
Indeed. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #57
Qui bono from such tactics? I don't believe for one second that these are Bernie supporters. FourScore Apr 2016 #56
I'm glad to see they are paying attention to the anger. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #58
They aren't Sanders supporters AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #59
KICK Cha Apr 2016 #60

Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. I imagine many otherwise clever little people confuse consensual sex with sexism.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:32 PM
Apr 2016

I imagine many otherwise clever little people confuse consensual sex with sexism. It happens when we allow bias to prevent rational thought...

chascarrillo

(3,897 posts)
18. You can have consensual sex and still behave like a sexist while engaging in it.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:41 PM
Apr 2016

They're hardly exclusionary.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
42. When you are an older man in a position of power it is not necessarily consensual.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:43 PM
Apr 2016

The HOFFERS would be in here explaining that to you except they are now mostly Hillary supporters and Hillary supporters don't stand on their principles when it means they can't defend their chosen one.

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nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
50. You mean the Hillary supporters pretending to be Bernie supporters?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:15 PM
Apr 2016

It's an old Karl Rove trick. Hillary must have bought his playbook.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
5. And I am sure
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:09 PM
Apr 2016

every call has been made by a true blue Sanders backer.

I have met hundreds of Sanders volunteers and supporters during this campaign. To a person, nobody espouses this behavior. So you tell me where it's coming from. I'm not saying all, but their is definitely some friendly fire here.

Again though, you all have this wrapped up yet are OBSESSED with taking down people you NEED for October. It's actually getting comical.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
6. Sad Sad people.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:10 PM
Apr 2016

This narrative is real. That is what makes it tough for the solid Sanders supporters. Many of them are left shaking their heads. So sad how much of the narrative they have taken up.

rock

(13,218 posts)
7. In general it seems to be the practice of the BSers
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:10 PM
Apr 2016

They think the best way to persuade someone is to insult them.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
9. Broad brushes aren't cool. A Hillary supporter posted porn on Bernie Facebook pages. This isn't
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:13 PM
Apr 2016

typical behavior of ANY Hillary supporter I know nor would I infer it.


one_voice

(20,043 posts)
20. Broad brushes aren't cool
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:45 PM
Apr 2016
think (9,352 posts)
160. I can and will make both points. Hillary is corrupt and her supporters are using right wing memes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511855930#post160



No broad brushes aren't cool, but I guess we all use them from time to time.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
33. I wasn't trying to 'get you'...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:01 PM
Apr 2016

we all do it. It's not intentional and we don't literally mean 'all', at least I don't think we do. I've done and I certainly don't mean 'all'.

I actually hate that we're tripping & trippin' over every word.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
14. Why should they stop? They've been doing it online for months now.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:25 PM
Apr 2016

I realize it's not most, but it is a large number of them. They must get off on belittling and browbeating people. I just don't understand this way of thinking.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
46. I know exactly how you feel. This morning BS was on TV bashing the Democratic party. Again.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:16 PM
Apr 2016

Interesting way to win over votes.

Iceberg!

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
12. Any evidence of this claim?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:20 PM
Apr 2016

Any audio, call logs, names of the person who called them, transcription of what they said, proof of connection to the Sanders campaign? Anything at ALL ??

Or was it THIS guy?

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
15. Well, if past behavior is anything to go by,
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:29 PM
Apr 2016

I think it's not that far of a stretch to believe this is happening. Many Bernie supporters would swarm accounts of people and groups who endorsed Hillary. This sounds like the same practice.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
44. and yet no evidence now or in the past
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:05 PM
Apr 2016

If I was a superdelegate I would be recording these calls or logging the numbers at the very least.

Meanwhile we know that the case of Champagne guy did what he did. And there he is pictured with Hillary.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
17. Cause really we like to be called the B word am I right Sanders women? Nothing sexist about this.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:34 PM
Apr 2016

We call ourselves ho's and b word all the time. We own it. It is not even gender specific, dontcha know. More, an endearment.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
19. These are the wounds Bernie needs to heal.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:43 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary should and will try to court progressives, but this behavior is on Bernie.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
23. The Bernie fans are doing to superdelegates what Gamergate has done to female game devs
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:49 PM
Apr 2016

for over a year now. The overlap between the two groups is remarkable.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
26. Bull.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:52 PM
Apr 2016

Shame on you.

I actually believe that BernieBros were David plants. Because not one Bernie fan I know would ever act like that.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
31. Reading the cited sources actually helps one avoid looking like a fool
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:58 PM
Apr 2016
Clinton Backers 'Feel the Bern' of Angry Sanders Supporters

Nancy Schumacher says she just wanted to do her civic duty, and so she heeded the call to become a superdelegate for Hillary Clinton. But in the year of the angry voter, not even an administrative assistant from Elk River, Minnesota, can escape the outrage.

"Some of the (phone and email) messages called me names. Some of them called Hillary names. And others said I was a stupid bitch and something bad will happen to me," said Schumacher, a Democratic committee member. "It's kind of hard to take sometimes."


Nancy Schumacher is a genuine superdelegate

Clinton announces who’s-who of local endorsements

But her list of more than 60 supporters also includes House DFL leader Paul Thissen, 14 other DFL lawmakers, Minneapolis Mayor Betsy Hodges, St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman, Hubert “Buck” Humphrey of the Humphrey family, Education Minnesota president Denise Specht, Democratic National Committee member Nancy Schumacher — a superdelegate — and an array of former officials, city council members and activists. Another Clinton endorser is Alan Page, newly freed to endorse after retiring from the Minnesota Supreme Court this summer.


who has stated she has received threatening phone calls.

So, would you care to step up and swing again, bro?
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
43. They are one and the same IMO
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:04 PM
Apr 2016

White upper class haters concerned about their privileges...period.

Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

leftinportland

(247 posts)
34. And you know they are Bernie supporters because?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:02 PM
Apr 2016

I've suspected many of these incidents were not being perpetrated by Bernie supporters. Now after learning Brock and company were spending 1 million dollars for disruptions I know these are not Bernie supporters.

RandySF

(58,832 posts)
36. No, that's generally not very effective
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:07 PM
Apr 2016

I think the Sanders campaign needs to run these people through an etiquette course.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
38. Someone should go screen capture Bernie supporters harassing super delegates on their Facebook pages
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:13 PM
Apr 2016

And then they should collect all those screen captures into one image to show you exactly how vicious, vitriolic, and hateful Bernie supporters have been to the super delegates, all while apparently hoping that will motivate them to switch to their candidate.

Never mind that these supers are committed to the success of a party that Bernie disparaged for years (and yes, caucused with because, like, it's not like the Republicans would have him), but after the abuse they've taken on their social media pages, I can't imagine the supers are going to switch. I have noticed a slight change in tone since Tuesday. Now I've seen Bernie supporters toning it down practically to the point of pleading with the supers, but they should have tried that to begin with rather than arrogantly berating them.

I notice they don't tell Raúl Grijalva to support the majority vote of his state, a point that not a single Sanders supporter on this site has yet addressed the numerous times I've brought that point up.

Here's just a tiny taste of how they've been to Howard Dean.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
41. It doesn't make sense for Hillary supporters to post child pornography online.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:41 PM
Apr 2016

Considering how egregious and disgusting and amoral that was I'm sure you were quick to condemn that with an OP, right?

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LostOne4Ever

(9,288 posts)
49. Regardless of who wins the pledge delegates or popular vote,
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:28 PM
Apr 2016

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Super-delegates should be either gotten rid of, or only used in the event of a tie.

Super-delegates and caucuses are horribly undemocratic and I wouldn't support anyone (Bernie or Hillary) who wins the nomination using Super delegates when they lost via pledge delegates.

In fact, I prefer if we went by popular vote only. This is supposed to be the DEMOCRATIC party, we should run our primaries like it.

Again, I say this regardless of who is winning and by what means.[/font]

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
58. I'm glad to see they are paying attention to the anger.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:23 PM
Apr 2016


They should.

I don't condone that kind of language or allusions but then again candidate Clinton pondered presumptive nominees assassination as a reason to not drop out of the 2008 primary. She really set the bar.

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