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Eugene

(61,894 posts)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 03:49 PM Apr 2016

Sanders wins island where ferry shipped emergency ballots

Source: Associated Press

Sanders wins island where ferry shipped emergency ballots

By MATT O'BRIEN | Apr. 27, 2016 6:08 PM EDT

PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) — Bernie Sanders can thank a patient ferry captain for helping to cement his Democratic presidential primary victory in the sleepy resort community of Block Island.

Sanders captured 64 percent of the Democratic vote Tuesday on the remote island that's a 55-minute boat ride from mainland Rhode Island.

But there wouldn't have been enough ballots for all 308 islanders who cast Democratic ballots were if not for a frenzied mission to get an emergency shipment to Block Island before its sole polling place closed.

Town Clerk Molly Fitzgerald panicked at 4 p.m. as she learned there weren't enough Democratic ballots to last through the night. She had reserved 300 and they were almost gone.

"The planes had stopped running," she said. "There was one ferry boat left for the day. It was going to leave the mainland at 4:45 p.m."

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Sanders wins island where ferry shipped emergency ballots (Original Post) Eugene Apr 2016 OP
This process is so damn disorganized, how can you respect it. Baitball Blogger Apr 2016 #1
When paper ballots are used your options are limited. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #2
Well, it's not like we have printing companies around that can offer machines Baitball Blogger Apr 2016 #3
That would result in longer lines. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #10
And if the number of ballots don't measure up Aerows Apr 2016 #11
You don't sound much like a Liberal Fighter. cui bono Apr 2016 #5
Is that the best response to the facts? LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #7
You are saying with a straight face Aerows Apr 2016 #8
No election jurisdicition prints ballots to match the number of registered voters. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #13
It is REQUIRED in many states to have 110% of them. Aerows Apr 2016 #18
Facts? All I saw was excuses as to why we can't have fair elections. Why is it so hard in the US cui bono Apr 2016 #12
You might want to work as an election worker at a polling location. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #14
I might. cui bono Apr 2016 #16
Some states like New York and Illinois require printing for 110% turnout. Eugene Apr 2016 #9
I found no indication that New York has a law requiring printing base on 110% turnout. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #17
It appears that you don't want to find one Aerows Apr 2016 #19
Did you even read my reply? I stated none found in NY but did in Illinois. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #21
You didn't answer my question. n/t Aerows Apr 2016 #23
Disorganized by design FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #4
This is election fraud. Aerows Apr 2016 #6
If voter turnout was up 30% - sure, you were caught off guard demwing Apr 2016 #15
It has happened repeatedly during this primary Aerows Apr 2016 #20
The paper punch card ballot system had a much lower error felix_numinous Apr 2016 #22

Baitball Blogger

(46,709 posts)
1. This process is so damn disorganized, how can you respect it.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:03 PM
Apr 2016

Really? This is how we go about selecting the president of a super nation? WTF?

LiberalFighter

(50,928 posts)
2. When paper ballots are used your options are limited.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:19 PM
Apr 2016

All paper ballots have to be accounted for to avoid elections being rigged. Determining the number of ballots to print for an election is a guessing game. You don't want to print too many which would then increase the cost of an election.

Baitball Blogger

(46,709 posts)
3. Well, it's not like we have printing companies around that can offer machines
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:23 PM
Apr 2016

that can print on demand, or anything like that.

LiberalFighter

(50,928 posts)
10. That would result in longer lines.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:58 PM
Apr 2016

To expect printers to print ballots on demand does not take into consideration the number of candidates and offices involved in an election. It would also require additional safeguards to prevent unauthorized ballots from being printed. If the number of people don't match up with the number of ballots it can become a serious issues. It can lead to election fraud.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
11. And if the number of ballots don't measure up
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:03 PM
Apr 2016

to the number of people that want to vote, that causes longer fucking lines because they have to go get more ballots.

This *IS* election fraud.

Un-fucking-believable.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
5. You don't sound much like a Liberal Fighter.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:38 PM
Apr 2016

With "liberal fighters" like you TPTB need not worry about the people's will winning out.

.

LiberalFighter

(50,928 posts)
7. Is that the best response to the facts?
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:51 PM
Apr 2016

Election officials have a difficult job to perform. Yes, some do a poor job. But there are also limitations that even the best can't avoid.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
8. You are saying with a straight face
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:58 PM
Apr 2016

that they don't know *exactly* how many ballots they need. Seriously?

I mean, it's really difficult to read the list of potential voters (the list that they prepare, mind you) and count them.



This isn't incompetence, it's outright election fraud.

LiberalFighter

(50,928 posts)
13. No election jurisdicition prints ballots to match the number of registered voters.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:18 PM
Apr 2016

Not when voter turnout can be as low as 20% or lower. With high turnout it becomes more difficult. In the few states with same day registration that becomes trickier yet. If they do their job right they will base ballot need on past similar elections. Another factor that deals with Rhode Island is their modified closed primary. It allows unaffiliated voters to vote in either party primary while registered Democrats or Republicans can only vote in their respective primary. Try figuring out how many Democratic and Republican ballots are needed under those circumstances.

It would be irresponsible and unjustified to just print ballots based on how many are registered for that location.

The same goes for determining the number of polling locations and election workers. If they do their job properly they might still be short either locations and/or workers. Or even too many.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
18. It is REQUIRED in many states to have 110% of them.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:57 PM
Apr 2016

Why are you justifying this?

Why are you acting like people not being able to vote when there is a clear number of ballots needed total way before election day is acceptable?

Do you *like* voter suppression? Do you *like* voter disenfranchisement?

If so, please explain to all of us your rational for defending this to the hilt.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
12. Facts? All I saw was excuses as to why we can't have fair elections. Why is it so hard in the US
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:05 PM
Apr 2016

to do what pretty much all other western civilizations can do?

It's not hard to print ballots. It's not hard to open polling locations. It's really not that hard, especially when it is the basis for the existence of said country.

Why is it that a certain faction of the Democratic Party doesn't care about fair elections all of a sudden?

.

LiberalFighter

(50,928 posts)
14. You might want to work as an election worker at a polling location.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:19 PM
Apr 2016

Or be involved in other aspects related to election sites.

Eugene

(61,894 posts)
9. Some states like New York and Illinois require printing for 110% turnout.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:58 PM
Apr 2016

Yes, its costly, but it avoids chaos when turnout is higher than expected.
At least one clerk in trouble for under printing ballots in this primary
cycle.

LiberalFighter

(50,928 posts)
17. I found no indication that New York has a law requiring printing base on 110% turnout.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:47 PM
Apr 2016

Did find for Illinois though. But it was somewhat ambiguous in how it was to be applied related to primaries.

New York counties used various methodologies for their elections as noted in an audit found in a report in 2015. It ranged from 60 to 115%.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
19. It appears that you don't want to find one
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:59 PM
Apr 2016

because it is there in more states than just New York, and for the reason that it is voter suppression via physical means.

Why are you justifying it, can explain why this is acceptable to you?

LiberalFighter

(50,928 posts)
21. Did you even read my reply? I stated none found in NY but did in Illinois.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 01:09 AM
Apr 2016

It appears that you wanted to make it up. When a person makes a claim it for them to prove it.

BTW the news source provided in the OP didn't have all the info.

This has additional details.
Sanders wins island where ferry shipped emergency ballots

But there wouldn't have been enough ballots for all 308 islanders who cast Democratic ballots were if not for a frenzied mission to get an emergency shipment to Block Island before its sole polling place closed.
They needed 8 additional ballots and they arrived before they ran out. I guess if you had your way each party would have the same number of ballots based on the total registered voters. Rhode Island has a modified closed primary which allows unaffiliated voters to vote in either primary. That makes it even more difficult to determine how many are needed.

Fitzgerald said she wasn't expecting such a heavy turnout.


As it is there are back up provisions to deliver additional ballots as demonstrated in the article. There is absolutely no reason to require 100% or more ballots for an election based on registered voters. Not when election workers do their job by reporting unusual turnout. They can call in to let the local election board know of any issues.
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
6. This is election fraud.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:47 PM
Apr 2016

They know *exactly* how many ballots they will need.

Just look at the list of potential voters and have that many ballots for each D and R.

This primary has pissed me off mightily.

I dare anyone to say with a straight face that with all of these instances of "running out of ballots" is ANYTHING but election fraud.

Unfortunately, it seems nobody gives a fuck.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
15. If voter turnout was up 30% - sure, you were caught off guard
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:22 PM
Apr 2016

But it isn't. The votes made it to the precincts, but died before they hit the booths, and the Party let it happen on purpose.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
20. It has happened repeatedly during this primary
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:02 PM
Apr 2016

along will limiting voting places radically in some states.

Anybody that justifies this either thinks people are stupid or don't give a damn about voting rights for whatever reason they will have to explain because I don't understand why you would cheerlead or after the fact try to convince people it is no big deal.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
22. The paper punch card ballot system had a much lower error
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 12:46 PM
Apr 2016

rate than the machines, and worked just fine until George W. Bush installed hackable machines so the 1% could more easily install their people.

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