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Source: Associated Press
By MATT O'BRIEN | Apr. 27, 2016 6:08 PM EDT
PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) Bernie Sanders can thank a patient ferry captain for helping to cement his Democratic presidential primary victory in the sleepy resort community of Block Island.
Sanders captured 64 percent of the Democratic vote Tuesday on the remote island that's a 55-minute boat ride from mainland Rhode Island.
But there wouldn't have been enough ballots for all 308 islanders who cast Democratic ballots were if not for a frenzied mission to get an emergency shipment to Block Island before its sole polling place closed.
Town Clerk Molly Fitzgerald panicked at 4 p.m. as she learned there weren't enough Democratic ballots to last through the night. She had reserved 300 and they were almost gone.
"The planes had stopped running," she said. "There was one ferry boat left for the day. It was going to leave the mainland at 4:45 p.m."
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Baitball Blogger
(46,709 posts)Really? This is how we go about selecting the president of a super nation? WTF?
LiberalFighter
(50,928 posts)All paper ballots have to be accounted for to avoid elections being rigged. Determining the number of ballots to print for an election is a guessing game. You don't want to print too many which would then increase the cost of an election.
Baitball Blogger
(46,709 posts)that can print on demand, or anything like that.
LiberalFighter
(50,928 posts)To expect printers to print ballots on demand does not take into consideration the number of candidates and offices involved in an election. It would also require additional safeguards to prevent unauthorized ballots from being printed. If the number of people don't match up with the number of ballots it can become a serious issues. It can lead to election fraud.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)to the number of people that want to vote, that causes longer fucking lines because they have to go get more ballots.
This *IS* election fraud.
Un-fucking-believable.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)With "liberal fighters" like you TPTB need not worry about the people's will winning out.
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LiberalFighter
(50,928 posts)Election officials have a difficult job to perform. Yes, some do a poor job. But there are also limitations that even the best can't avoid.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that they don't know *exactly* how many ballots they need. Seriously?
I mean, it's really difficult to read the list of potential voters (the list that they prepare, mind you) and count them.
This isn't incompetence, it's outright election fraud.
LiberalFighter
(50,928 posts)Not when voter turnout can be as low as 20% or lower. With high turnout it becomes more difficult. In the few states with same day registration that becomes trickier yet. If they do their job right they will base ballot need on past similar elections. Another factor that deals with Rhode Island is their modified closed primary. It allows unaffiliated voters to vote in either party primary while registered Democrats or Republicans can only vote in their respective primary. Try figuring out how many Democratic and Republican ballots are needed under those circumstances.
It would be irresponsible and unjustified to just print ballots based on how many are registered for that location.
The same goes for determining the number of polling locations and election workers. If they do their job properly they might still be short either locations and/or workers. Or even too many.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Why are you justifying this?
Why are you acting like people not being able to vote when there is a clear number of ballots needed total way before election day is acceptable?
Do you *like* voter suppression? Do you *like* voter disenfranchisement?
If so, please explain to all of us your rational for defending this to the hilt.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)to do what pretty much all other western civilizations can do?
It's not hard to print ballots. It's not hard to open polling locations. It's really not that hard, especially when it is the basis for the existence of said country.
Why is it that a certain faction of the Democratic Party doesn't care about fair elections all of a sudden?
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LiberalFighter
(50,928 posts)Or be involved in other aspects related to election sites.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Eugene
(61,894 posts)Yes, its costly, but it avoids chaos when turnout is higher than expected.
At least one clerk in trouble for under printing ballots in this primary
cycle.
LiberalFighter
(50,928 posts)Did find for Illinois though. But it was somewhat ambiguous in how it was to be applied related to primaries.
New York counties used various methodologies for their elections as noted in an audit found in a report in 2015. It ranged from 60 to 115%.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)because it is there in more states than just New York, and for the reason that it is voter suppression via physical means.
Why are you justifying it, can explain why this is acceptable to you?
LiberalFighter
(50,928 posts)It appears that you wanted to make it up. When a person makes a claim it for them to prove it.
BTW the news source provided in the OP didn't have all the info.
This has additional details.
Sanders wins island where ferry shipped emergency ballots
As it is there are back up provisions to deliver additional ballots as demonstrated in the article. There is absolutely no reason to require 100% or more ballots for an election based on registered voters. Not when election workers do their job by reporting unusual turnout. They can call in to let the local election board know of any issues.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)They know *exactly* how many ballots they will need.
Just look at the list of potential voters and have that many ballots for each D and R.
This primary has pissed me off mightily.
I dare anyone to say with a straight face that with all of these instances of "running out of ballots" is ANYTHING but election fraud.
Unfortunately, it seems nobody gives a fuck.
demwing
(16,916 posts)But it isn't. The votes made it to the precincts, but died before they hit the booths, and the Party let it happen on purpose.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)along will limiting voting places radically in some states.
Anybody that justifies this either thinks people are stupid or don't give a damn about voting rights for whatever reason they will have to explain because I don't understand why you would cheerlead or after the fact try to convince people it is no big deal.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)rate than the machines, and worked just fine until George W. Bush installed hackable machines so the 1% could more easily install their people.