Not worth wasting your time trying to convince a person to change their beliefs when they don't want to. If your not doing that, then you are just posting to argue about things. Sorry, not fun. Best to wait till after the primaries to engage in this place. I don't care which one wins, just get it done!

during the last decade she argued that the U.S. was already a post-feminist culture.

But I do see how people can get emotional in a heated campaign.

Will make smart decisions, in the end. Some people will not, but I believe that they are a tiny minority. It has been an ugly primary race. That's regrettable. I think it will settle out, though.

"tiny minority" narrative, my friend.

If they were such a tiny minority, let's say like here on DU, then why did skinner feel the need to free all those who were on time out?

One might imagine that it was to even the playing field since Team H was losing badly.

Just my two cents on that tiny majority.

But on a more serious note...The Democratic (?) party is smaller than the independents that have been disenfranchised time and time again during this election season.

I would be careful that the "tiny minority" that you rush to reoeat may not be so tiny or the minority thst you claim they are.

Watch.

There's no point in communicating beyond simple statements at times. This is one of those times.

Amazing...

Was it worth it?

If you are a politician in need of friend, get a dog

My personal antecedent would be ' With friends like mine, i would be better off with enemies'

he's just a little sick of the constant bleating and whining around here.

It'll take a pressure washer to get this off the wellies.

Maybe it's her, not us . Just maybe.

disagreements, this kind of "You--who have been here for a decade or more--have NO RIGHT to be here" attitude was not on display.

I've only seen this in the Post-DU3 era.

It sucks.

IT is beyond cute!

We just have a few more months and then it will cool down.....

That cat went from west to east coast to southern Europe and northward, then back to America with me!

I had another cat that lived just as long that I picked up in Asia as a stray kitten.

For the longest time cats were plenty, then I got a bird and a few dogs.

My "pet transport" bills were getting outta hand!

Now I'm down to one dog and she's a handful!

I feel as though Bernie is once in a lifetime. And you all let him slip away for the status quo candidate. So many people will be left without hope. But so be it.

But there was still that old school veneer that kept it from getting Limbaugh-style nasty.

That veneer has been stripped off, and some people are being total assholes. They engage in personal insult, invective, and all kinds of brutal nastiness. They will call you, to your face, directly AT you, ugly names--and their buddies will not hide the posts, so why bother to alert on them? They won't discuss the issues, they'd rather tell you about yourself--it's not all of 'em by a long shot, but the ones that do that kind of thing make it stink for the ones who don't do it like that.

Maybe the only way to play this is Pay To Play. I don't know what else the answer might be. The ability of people to sign up and have multiple accounts (and they get tombstoned often enough for that stuff so we know it happens) needs to cease.

Maybe, if people can't abide by the TOS, they need to take a one way trip to Discussionist.

As for Bernie, I don't see him as a leader at all-sorry. I see him as a guy who recognizes problems, but his "solutions" don't pass the smell test. He has to work WITH Congress--and he's so "popular" with them that his ONE (ONE--after a quarter century on the damn HILL) endorser in the Senate said today "If you're losing in June, you need to QUIT and not pull this 'take it to the Convention' crap" (that IS a paraphrase but the sense is accurate).

Those guys Do Not LIKE Him. You'd think he'd have a few friends after a quarter century between both Houses, but he hasn't gotten any love of note. Obama was The New Kid, but he had no trouble making friends who ENDORSED HIM. Almost NO ONE wants to endorse Sanders.

There's a reason his own damn PEERS aren't rallying around him and lifting him up. It's because he doesn't get along with THEM either. I think he means well, but if he can't bring Congress along as a CANDIDATE, he's not going to bring them along as a POTUS.

And it's all moot anyway, because he has no path to the nomination. None. He can flail and wail and point and yell, but he will not win this contest. It's all over but the rest of the firings...and speaking of those, what an UGLY thing to do!

Maybe if he hadn't run off to Rome he could have afforded to pay them through June instead of giving them ten days notice through Jeff Weaver by phone. Damn, that's how a CAPITALIST, not a socialist, fires people--get the lackey to do it, don't talk to the workers, sure as hell don't look 'em in the eye. That's some cold shit, if you ask me.

See, he talks the talk--but when it came to walking the walk, he turned his back and didn't do right by those people.

I wonder if it isn't the same. It's been a while and you say it was really bad in 08. Yet Obama always had a kinder rhetoric and gave people hope that Hillary just can't seem to muster. Very possibly then and now aren't that different. He turned out to be very Hillary-like and they are both centrist-right candidates now. I don't think anybody believes Bernie would move to center. I'm laughing. That could not happen. He only wanted to move Hillary left when he started but the campaign turned into a flood of desire for him. Too bad they either didn't vote or couldn't vote.

You know, his leadership skills have been tested more than Hillary's. Mayor, House Rep who was acknowleged to be king of amendments and then senator. He knows the ropes. In fact, that was one of Obama's problems. I determined never again to vote for a one term anything. He didn't have the experience. I'm hoping Hillary does. She hasn't done much politically either. Nothing like Bernie. He's fostered relationships, he's administered a town from the top, he knows how to hire, enforce regulations, get things done. I know your side poo-poos it at every opportunity, but truth is he's way more qualified to be in charge. He's had the ultimate responsibility.

I was not happy that she didn't take it all the way, and I thought Obama had less experience than she did. But he was a very smart guy--he picked "avuncular Joe" who everyone purports to love but couldn't get out of single digits when he ran--TWICE--for the Presidency--as his VP. Joe isn't taken all that seriously by the public, because he runs his mouth some times, but that guy is wired in DEEP to the legislature. He knows how to vote count, he knows how to whip-em-good, and he knows where the bodies are buried. So that was a fine pick. And first chair in the Cabinet, the most senior cabinet position ahead of Defense and everyone elsle? SECSTATE wasn't a bad consolation prize for HRC. It all worked out. And Barack and Michelle? They grow on ya--and those two cute kids, and the dogs--hey, what's not to love?

But then, HRC did not waste any time. Once she shut it down, she IMMEDIATELY pivoted and frigging harangued her supporters to support Obama. So we went, sullenly some of us, to the polls, and pulled the lever. Because Obama was better than Romney, and Obama worked his ass off, too. He was gonna make us love him--and he did.

Then came 2012 and Obama's in hot water--he looks like his mojo is lost. Who steps in to bail his ass out and lift him up? Why, The Secretary of Explaining Stuff--Bill Clinton, say what you want about him, saved Obama's ass, re-energized a moribund campaign, and dragged his ass over the finish line. I know Obama knows this and won't forget, because that's how it goes. HRC has been EXCEEDINGLY loyal to Obama, too--everytime she goes Off The Ranch she warns him well ahead of time, so he can be smooth when he's asked. She's not going to blindside him. He's going to HELP her, because he sees her as his logical successor.

I don't mean to be rude, but Mayor of Burlington VT is like being Mayor of Mayberry. It's a "city" because there are no people in VT, but anywhere else it would be called a medium sized TOWN. ANYONE could "lead" there--obviously--that was Bernie's first steady paycheck in a long, long time.

TODAY, there are 40K people there. In the ENTIRE town of Burlington. More than that WORKED at the Dept of State (Close to twice as many, and DS also has responsibility for their FAMILIES as well). DS has over a hundred facilities IN THE US and embassies and consulates and "interest sections" in nearly every single country save North Korea (we have an interest section in Iran, in the Swiss Embassy, I think - and we just re-opened our joint in Cuba) all over the world. It's a joke that you would even compare the level of responsibility of a SECSTATE and a frigging Mayor of a sleepy little city-town--there is NO comparison. Ultimate responsibility? The damn entire budget of that town was probably less than the "Janitorial Services" line item in the State budget. Come on--that turd don't float.

And that Amendment King nonsense? That's spin. He sat on his ass and did very little save collect a paycheck and make the occasional hot-breathed floor speech to an empty room as it got close to election day. He was an INEFFECTUAL legislator. He is an INEFFECTUAL Senator and his (cough) leadership of the VA Committee he chaired was nothing short of disgraceful--I hate to agree with the Republicans about anything, but the House Committee had dozens of hearings about the shit going down in VA hospitals, and Bernie could barely bring himself to show up for seven on the Senate side. The mess over there is partly his fault because he failed in his DUTY of oversight. And when he finally started overseeing, he was so "concerned" about the rights of the senior executives over there that he inserted language in the legislation (that, to our embarrassment, the GOP is having to correct) that made it difficult to impossible to fire even the most fucked up screw ups in the senior civilian ranks over there--and he did this at the expense of the rank and file, who often took the hits unfairly for the big wigs.

If he made it to the general election (and he won't) that would have been a full frontal assault by the other side--and they would have had a point.

As for "fostering relationships?" Why can't he get any of his his PEERS TO ENDORSE HIM? They KNOW him, you see--they have had long "relationships" with him -- and that's why they've said "Hell NO."

I'm old, I'll be dead soon enough...but I really don't want the next generations to have to refight The Civil Rights Act or Roe v. Wade. I know HRC will preserve those rights for future generations. It matters!

Just claim that Bill Clinton "saved" Obama in 2012?

the story, what I don't remember is anyone taking a cute Obama quip and turning it into the Clintons "rescuing" a man who was twice their equal and then some.

His campaign was moribund and lacking enthusiasm. Clinton re-energized it.

Don't hate Obama for being politically astute enough to recognize what Clinton did for him.

Obama supporters by claiming that Bill's good ol' Arkansas back-slappin is what gave Obama the victory.

Clinton's convention speech goosed the campaign back into life, and Clinton's work on the campaign trail following the convention re-energized Obama's campaign. That's just fact. Sorry it troubles you so.

OBAMA acknowledges this, so I think it's awfully amusing that you call it "patronizing" when the guy who benefited from Clinton's help was so open in admitting it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/05/us/politics/bill-clinton-presses-on-in-campaign-for-barack-obama.html

Whoever wins Tuesday, the 2012 campaign has solidified (or restored) Mr. Clinton’s status as the hardest-working man in a game he loves and plays like no one else. “The master, Bill Clinton,” Mr. Obama called him on Saturday, hailing his predecessor as “a great president and a great friend.”

Unsaid, at least here, is that Mr. Clinton has also been a salvation to Mr. Obama. He gave what was widely considered the best speech at the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, N.C., rocking a strong endorsement of the president while arguably conveying the re-election rationale better than Mr. Obama or his campaign has.

“He has been our economic validator,” Jim Messina, Mr. Obama’s campaign manager, said of Mr. Clinton.

Likewise, Mr. Clinton’s presidency exemplifies what Mr. Obama is trying to make a case for. In the early 1990s, President Clinton also inherited a lagging economy, and then he led economic prosperity in his second term. Mr. Obama, who wrapped his former rival in a full-on hug onstage in Charlotte (their recent joint appearances have featured more cursory bro-hugs), said he should name Mr. Clinton to a new position known as Secretary for Explaining Stuff.

Out of public view, the former president has been equally tireless. In a 20-minute car ride Saturday after a rally in Chesapeake, Va., to the Norfolk airport, Mr. Clinton recorded 40 “robo-calls” for Democratic Congressional candidates across the country. In addition to headlining 37 rallies for Mr. Obama over the last seven weeks of the campaign (including events scheduled through Monday), Mr. Clinton is serving as a back-channel strategist for the re-election enterprise.

On the morning after the third debate between Mr. Obama and Mitt Romney on Oct. 22 in Boca Raton, Fla., Mr. Clinton met Mr. Messina for an impromptu breakfast meeting in a suite at a Hyatt Regency hotel in Chicago. Red-eyed after arriving from Boca Raton at 3:30 a.m. and subsisting on Coke Zero, Mr. Messina received, he said, a simple directive from former president, who was in Chicago to give a speech: I am yours in the final weeks. Mr. Clinton said he would undertake a heavy regimen in battleground states.

Previously, Mr. Clinton had served as an active behind-the-scenes strategist, speaking regularly to the president, Mr. Messina and David Axelrod, the senior strategist. He made suggestions on what themes the campaign should emphasize and where. He advocated, according to top officials, for Mr. Obama to run advertisements in Florida that portrayed Mr. Romney as a threat to Medicare and Medicaid — something the campaign ultimately did. As he stumped across the state Friday, Mr. Clinton also drove home that portrayal.....

You only became an Obama supporter when your queen (and king) were beat down on the 2008 primary streets.

Second, YOUR idea that Obama needed the help of a white neoliberal like Clinton to win in 2012 is disturbing.

The Clinton arrogance is astounding.

Wish that I could rec this post.