2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumEver wonder why Bernie has few superdelegates from his peers???
With about 25yr in Congress, he has made no political friends or allies. Something is wrong, he is not disliked,just ignored.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... sot that he can have the personal satisfaction of bragging that he never compromises. (See Fig. 1)
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KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Although it's worth noting that Sanders DID manage to find some legislative allies in Congress for that Auto Bailout:
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beedle
(1,235 posts)You mean the Wall St. bailout don't you?
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)Stop inserting sense! You might break something. Hehehe
Response to NurseJackie (Reply #12)
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floriduck
(2,262 posts)their candidacy. Money accomplishes many things, except help the poor, sick, elderly.
Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)You have proof of that?
Did she bribe the super delegates in 2008 as well?
Did Obama give the super delegates better bribes when they flipped to his side?
And I hate to tell you this, but money is exactly the thing to help the poor, sick and elderly. Getting that money to those people is one of the biggest things Sanders has been arguing for.
Pay attention please, it's only once every four years.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)Read up on the Clinton Victory Fund
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/
Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)And they don't make the case that Clinton bribed the states in ANY legal sense. Did you even read the article?
Clinton raised money for the various state democratic parties. So has every democratic candidate in living memory except Sanders.
It sure didn't help her in my state of Washington, but hopefully the state will benefit by regaining control of the state house and senate.
Now I have to read an article detailing how Clinton rigged voting machines so I can reply to more BS.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)exactly the same?
floriduck
(2,262 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Proof please.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Also, derpa derpa derp.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Muslim AAs and Latinos don't count?
LiberalFighter
(51,046 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Senate is much more conservative, there is no Senate Progressive Caucus. Clinton, a former Republican and RW DLC co-founder, was considered one of the more liberal members....which is much more an indication of how conservative the Senate is than how 'liberal' Clinton is.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)are superdelegates. So yeah, they are being discounted and yeah, that looks dubious to me.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)As was Grayson, Nolan, Welch ,and Gabbard. Grijalva, Lipinski, Peterson, and Kaptur have worked with Sanders, as has Merkley. So half have been his peers, half have not.
Edited to add - I am only looking at current members of Congress.
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)You mean that super delegate who didn't go with the will of his state's popular vote and got applause for it from the Bernie supporters who believe supers should go by state popular vote? That Grijalva?
Orsino
(37,428 posts)MgtPA
(1,022 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,885 posts)The way he looks down a lot.
Not a lot of direct eye contact.
Has trouble meeting new people.
I think he's socially awkward.
Unusual for a politician.
I think he's much more comfortable in a small group talking policy.
Don't think he's the type to have a lot of friends.
More comfortable with family and a small social circle.
This doesn't make him a bad guy.
He's just not Mary sunshine.
And, I supported him in the primaries because I'm very liberal and like his policy stances.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)in large part, he isn't completely enamored with the smell of his own shit. It's the shy person's humility.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Not if you want to have a future in the party...
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 29, 2016, 05:27 PM - Edit history (1)
Why weren't they afraid then? What happened? What was the revenge?
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)If Hillary wasn't appeased with the SOS position, they would have maintained the warpath of the primary, I'm sure.
They've had 8 years to cement commitment through jobs and foundation money. The latter can be pulled away.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)That is it exactly!
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Very clear signals have been sent not to cross them. Most jumped on the Hillary bandwagon before he was taken seriously. And she'll protect the status quo while he's challenging the system they're doing very very well under.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)It's a big club, and he ain't in it. That's why I supported him in the first place.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Jim is a climate-change denier. He is really, really conservative, but you know what, he is a decent guy and I like him, and he and I are friends, Sanders told CNNs Jake Tapper
redwitch
(14,946 posts)??
redwitch
(14,946 posts)redwitch
(14,946 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Former Senators Kirk and Riegle.
Plus 10 current or former Reps.
Get your facts straight before you post.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Because he hasn't sold out like the DWS/HRC hand-picked superdelegate crowd? Because he has grass-roots support, which the DWS/DNC explicitly does not want?
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Wow, a bunch of scared, slimy, crooked politicians don't like Bernie!
You don't get it do you?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)3 million more votes than Bernie.
frylock
(34,825 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)to hear all voices and find compromise.
With so few friends, it is a red flag for someone who doesn't understand the job they were elected to do.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)And honestly, I take it as a good thing - its real proof he's outside the establishment and not a corporate lackey.
onenote
(42,747 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Any time these Hillary haters are asked to provide ANY proof of their allegations they slink away and never respond. Although one had his/her little buddy answer me telling me that "I could Google it".
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)or some right wing blogger posted it, and in my anti-Clinton hate ridden delusions, I agreed with them and accept this as a fact.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)2008 but no reason to think this year is any different
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/hillary-clinton-hit-list-102067?o=1
There was a special circle of Clinton hell reserved for people who had endorsed Obama or stayed on the fence after Bill and Hillary had raised money for them, appointed them to a political post or written a recommendation to ice their kids application to an elite school. On one early draft of the hit list, each Democratic member of Congress was assigned a numerical grade from 1 to 7, with the most helpful to Hillary earning 1s and the most treacherous drawing 7s. The set of 7s included Sens. John Kerry (D-Mass.), Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), Bob Casey (D-Pa.) and Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), as well as Reps. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), Baron Hill (D-Ind.) and Rob Andrews (D-N.J.).
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/hillary-clinton-hit-list-102067#ixzz47Eej66sj
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riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)oh such a terrible thing to do. how does she live with herself.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Here's another:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/
This is the kind of stuff that I dislike and a reason I like Bernie. I actually find this kind of big-money-buys-influence to be a problem in our democracy.
But carry on.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)and then they (without any substantiation) make the claim that this fundraising is bribery.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)But I'm not surprised you don't.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Vindictiveness does not translate to quid pro quo (presuming that allegation was not merely inferred, as well). They are in fact, two wholly separate constructs.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Poorly worded post which I definitely should have clarified.
2 separate reasons in my mind for Bernies lack of endorsements plus my belief why thats good thing.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)blinds people either, to the point where mere allegations are treated as the truth
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)And furthermore I don't think there's many that would characterize counterpunch as rightwing propaganda.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)The Observer is a right wing source, and run by Trump's son in law, yes?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)have often voted against basic decency and justice. Is it a thing to be proud of, that all the officials who voted in favor of discrimination for years and years endorse her? In NC 12 of her endorsers voted for that hateful anti trans and anti gay law. She has not distanced herself from them she and her supporters welcome those bigoted officials.
onenote
(42,747 posts)First, according to published lists, Clinton has received the endorsement of 492 superdelegates. The overwhelming majority of them were not in Congress when DOMA was voted on. In fact most aren't in Congress now.
Second, of Clinton's superdelegate commitments, 24 come from individuals who voted for DOMA as members of the House or Senate. On the other hand, 28 of Clinton's superdelegates voted AGAINST DOMA while members of the House or Senate.
Third, and you're not going to like this, of the 40 Superdelegates committed to Sanders, three served in the House or Senate when DOMA was voted on. All three (Kaptur, Lipinski and Peterson) voted FOR DOMA.
I would add that the 24 Clinton superdelegates that voted for DOMA 20 years ago include a number of representatives who otherwise have a pretty good record of voting for basic decency and justice. Plus, her superdelegates include a significant portion of the Progressive and Black Caucuses, groups whose members tend to have pretty good records on basic decency and justice.
djean111
(14,255 posts)And got boring quite a while ago. If you were thinking it would have any effect on support for Bernie, you are not paying attention.
Next?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Billsmile
(404 posts)http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/16/1516225/--Anatomy-of-a-Victory-Fund-or-How-to-Buy-a-Super-delegate
JudyM
(29,265 posts)But it's not the answer that's required.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)To his reelection campaign from her fund raising activities.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)and he's also difficult to work with.
frylock
(34,825 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)"They're afraid!!!"
scepticism
(5 posts)The people in Congress would be well aware that Sanders's positions aren't realistic so it makes sense they prefer a different candidate.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)It's not exactly rocket science.
This silliness would almost make one think her supporters are neophytes. But no, it's just the cult of personality, the blinders, denial due to extreme cognitive dissonance, etc.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Also, many of them endorsed HRC either before Sanders announced or near the start of his campaign while he was polling below 10%.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)clearly not people on DU, but actual voting Democrats.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)the exact numbers don't have to match, as SD have much more individualized knowledge and experience working with both candidates.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Well, not all.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)all one has to do is look at the treatment of those Democrats that do not fall in line with Hillary
IN THE FINAL DAYS leading up to Marylands Democratic voters going to the polls on Tuesday to choose their U.S. Senate nominee, Rep. Donna Edwards has been barraged by ads and mailers from the Super PAC backing her opponent, Rep. Chris Van Hollen, called the Committee for Marylands Progress.
A television ad assails Edwards as one of the least effective members of Congress, contrasting her career with Van Hollens legislative record. It mentions no foreign policy issues, despite the dominant issue motivating one of the Super PACs largest funders.
https://theintercept.com/2016/04/25/pro-israel-billionaire-haim-saban-drops-100000-against-donna-edwards-in-maryland-senate-race/
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Most politicians are egotistical assholes looking to further their own interests. Even the good ones.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)A large % of the supers pledged their support when this looked like an open and shut race. It would have been idiotic to not support the assumed nominee.
I don't know what is so hard to understand. MANY of these same supers have been quoted (including my Senator Jack Reed) indicating their positive feelings towards Senator Sanders.
He has made plenty of friends. He just happened to be running against the Corleone family of politics.
BootinUp
(47,179 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)Our political system is oriented around two parties. Right or wrong, that's the way it is. Bernie has spent years disparaging Democrats. Yeah, he'll caucus with them because nobody else will have him and every vote counts in the senate but it's clear that both he and the party were holding their nose.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Just because you're a Clinton supporter doesn't mean you have to spin every little piece of reality.
Clinton has superdelegates support because she sends money through the political machine that pays them. She has superdelegates because she was always the presumptive nominee, and she may reward supporters after the race. She has the superdelegates because they're party insiders of one sort or another, and Clinton is the consummate party insider.
Is it really so hard to just admit what it is? Do you really have to build some cartoon world, with Sanders in a Darth Vader suit?
redwitch
(14,946 posts)Well said!
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)You people just don't get it... Backroom dealing, influence peddling, funneling millions of corporate blood money... These things should be anathema to any true progressive, yet the HRC/DLC wing of the party seems to bask in the glow of this dirty underbelly of machine politics, in which the egalitarian ethos of the democratic process is just shit all over...
You know, being a Democrat should mean more than just being pro-choice or supporting LGBT equality. Hell, 30% of the GOP is pro-choice, and I'm sure the Log Cabin Republicans believe in LGBT rights. The rich and the powerful within the party structure should be going out of their way to foster a more inclusive and just political system, just as they should be striving for the same for our economy. But I get the feeling they view the Party as their personal play toy, and everyone outside of their economic or social strata to be merely the "great unwashed", whose loyalty should just be automatic because, well, at least they're not Republicans.
That attitude is going to need to change or the Democratic Party will never reach its full potential to positively impact the lives of all Americans. I assume the 1%ers among the Superdelegates are probably quite pleased in knowing HRC won't rock their boat, and that pesky, economic-justice seeking Bernie Sanders is looking like the runner-up.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)TheFarseer
(9,323 posts)Support my candidacy and I'll support you when I'm president. Don't support me and feel my wrath.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)Anybody who supports Sanders would get no spoils from the Clinton admin if she wins.
So any super delegate not wanting to be blacklisted should support Hillary.
frylock
(34,825 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Many endorsed before she even declared her candidacy and long before Bernie did.
One of the lines of thought is that another election that makes history will work in our favor. Some people want to be listed as part of doing so.
It's really a very cynical strategy and has promoted unconditional loyalty among many supporters.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Ever wonder why the machine politicians and rich people who run the Congress as a self-service cornucopia for corporate lobbyists and billionaires don't do anything to end the system of legalized bribery that put almost all of them in their seats?
Your question is actually the reverse of the reality: How do the few honest people amongst them stand to deal with the overwhelming majority of gangsters, fakers and poobahs?
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Consensus or trust with his fellow congress people....he was just a raving socialist in most of their eyes....
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Unicorn
(424 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,417 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)that almost all other politicians arent allowed to engage in due to their connections to Wall Street and the establishment.
As a result Bernie is alone on most things, but that is changing, we need more and more pole to run for office like him.
Having said that both Obama and Hillary represent less change compared to him, but they are absolutely crucial to the process if Bernie or the like isnt an option.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)Stick with the establishment candidate that has the money and the media behind her - and get your check at the end of the cycle.
Besides - many of these people already pledged before Bernie ever got into the race - and most I'm sure would be incredibly surprised how his campaign took off. I don't think even Bernie expected it.
I seriously doubt it has anything to do with liking or not liking. Bernie has worked with both Dems and Repubs to get things done. The Democrats gave Bernie the minority chair of the very important budget committee.
You are confusing politics and back room deals and tit for tat - with who you want to hang out with. It's a bit different and much more complex. I am quite sure Bernie has friends and allies. And he is certainly not ignored. You're really trying too hard to reach for something here - especially when you have such limited information to work with.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)Congress people were doing so. His very presence was/is still a reminder of their
selling out. Of course they didn't like being reminded. How could they? But he and
people like Warren are good friends. There aren't too many like these two around.
The last time I read of the number of Americans who approved of Congress was 9%.
This was several months ago. It's possibly even lower than 9% today.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Not even worth me trying to explain to you. Go do some research