2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCall me a Revolutionary
For putting peace ahead of war.
For putting the American people ahead of corporate profits.
For opening up government to oversight.
For stopping secret government spying on its own people.
For making banksters who ripped off the nation pay it back.
For investing in public education.
For re-building and strengthening the nation's infrastructure.
For weaning the nation's energy system from fossil fuels.
For wanting healthcare as a basic right for all citizens.
For ending corporate welfare via fiscal and trade policies.
For dreaming of a better tomorrow for ALL Americans, not just the rich.
Call me a Revolutionary, then. Great!
What you should be asking yourself if you're not a Revolutionary too, why not?
actslikeacarrot
(464 posts)Now it's all about "smart power"
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Our woman in Ukraine, Victoria Nuland, is married to PNAC co-founder Robert Kagan
Robert Kagan's brother is Frederick Kagan
Frederick Kagan's spouse is Kimberly Kagan
Brilliant people, big ideas, etc. The thing is, that's a lot of PNAC. And the PNAC approach to international relations means more wars without end for profits without cease, among other things detrimental to democracy, peace and justice.
Like Speaker Sam was wont to say: "Go along if you want to get along." Ask Tom Daschle. When 9-11 hit, he wasn't invited to the Secret Undisclosed Location -- NO DEMOCRATS IN THE FEDERAL LEADERSHIP WERE: The were left behind on 9-11.
So, I can understand so many of my fellow Democrats starting acting Republican warmonger all of a sudden.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)How can Sanders supporters act like they're "for the people" when they rig the jury to censor anyone who dares to disagree with them ?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)What I should have added:
Call me a Revolutionary for wanting a Democratic primary process.
Ron Green
(9,823 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)Political Revolutionary Platform, Commandments, Bill of Rights
actslikeacarrot
(464 posts)...voting for a war of aggression. What a bizarro world you must live in!
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)basic right on DU with ridiculous hides every day. It's totally phony rhetoric and nothing else.
actslikeacarrot
(464 posts)...on DU? I am honestly confused.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)important to practice what you preach ?
Seems to me its the other way around fellah!
You got no good response so you disparage.
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)It's an oversight that the OP forget to include that, but they think it's us doing it to them, which is amusing when you consider that they control the majority of the jury votes.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Ask Skinner or see this Board's terms as to how the jury works. You can't just make up something that doesn't exist.
I think I remember something I read while at work earlier from someone apparently distraught over the 85%/15% split of DU members here. They think juries are rigged for that silly reason.
I am a long time DU member and just because I supported Dean one time or Sanders another time doesn't make me part of a rigged system. It makes me a percent of whoever serves randomly on juries. I'm more likely to do that because of my longevity and the fact that I've met some terms of agreement on my posting behavior, plus contributing to this site at given times.
That rigs my vote? I've never heard of a more ridiculous reason. It sounds like you're angry when the majority of Democrats actually support Bernie Sanders. You'd rather we not be randomly picked for ANY jury. That sounds like a pretty screwed up system, Trust Buster.
Sounds like you're "for the people" if they're the RIGHT people, eh?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)There as many posts from both sides.
And, for what it's worth I never vote to hide unless something is a really egregious violation
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)When I first posted on DU, I was accused as someone who was doing so for attention. It is a fair criticism. However, my aim has not changed: What I write about is why I post -- not for me, but for Democracy.
For example: From his association with a former president, the Clinton's friend Frank Giustra got a great deal in Kazakhstan:
By JO BECKER and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
The New York Times, JAN. 31, 2008
EXCERPT...
Upon landing on the first stop of a three-country philanthropic tour, the two men were whisked off to share a sumptuous midnight banquet with Kazakhstans president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, whose 19-year stranglehold on the country has all but quashed political dissent.
Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leaders bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy. Mr. Clintons public declaration undercut both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstans poor human rights record by, among others, Mr. Clintons wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.
Within two days, corporate records show that Mr. Giustra also came up a winner when his company signed preliminary agreements giving it the right to buy into three uranium projects controlled by Kazakhstans state-owned uranium agency, Kazatomprom.
The monster deal stunned the mining industry, turning an unknown shell company into one of the worlds largest uranium producers in a transaction ultimately worth tens of millions of dollars to Mr. Giustra, analysts said.
SNIP...
Mr. Giustra foresaw a bull market in gold and began investing in mines in Argentina, Australia and Mexico. He turned a $20 million shell company into a powerhouse that, after a $2.4 billion merger with Goldcorp Inc., became Canadas second-largest gold company.
CONTINUED...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html
From his association as son of a future president (and himself a future pretzeldent), George got a great deal in Bahrain.
Harken Energy And Insider Trading
by Stephen Pizzo
Mother Jones, September / October 1992
EXCERPT...
Harken Energy was formed in l973 by two oilmen who would benefit from a successful covert effort to destabilize Australia's Labor Party government (which had attempted to shut out foreign oil exploration). A decade later, Harken was sold to a new investment group headed by New York attorney Alan G. Quasha, a partner in the firm of Quasha, Wessely & Schneider. Quasha's father, a powerful attorney in the Philippines, had been a staunch supporter of then-president Ferdinand Marcos. William Quasha had also given legal advice to two top officials of the notorious Nugan Hand Bank in Australia, a CIA operation.
After the sale of Harken Energy in 1983, Alan Quasha became a director and chairman of the board. Under Quasha, Harken suddenly absorbed Junior's struggling Spectrum 7 in 1986. The merger immediately opened a financial horn of plenty and reversed Junior's fortunes. But like his brother Jeb, Junior seemed unconcerned about the characters who were becoming his benefactors. Harken's $25 million stock offering in 1987, for example, was underwritten by a Little Rock, Arkansas, brokerage house, Stephens, Inc., which placed the Harken stock offering with the London subsidiary of Union Bank -- a bank that had surfaced in the scandal that resulted in the downfall of the Australian Labor government in 1976 and, later, in the Nugan Hand Bank scandal. (It was also Union Bank, according to congressional hearings on international money laundering, that helped the now-notorious Bank of Credit and Commerce International skirt Panamanian money-laundering laws by flying cash out of the country in private jets, and that was used by Ferdinand Marcos to stash 325 tons of Philippine gold around the world.)
SNIP...
Suddenly, in January 1990, Harken Energy became the talk of the Texas oil industry. The company with no offshore-oil-drilling experience beat out a more-established international conglomerate, Amoco, in bagging the exclusive contract to drill in a promising new offshore oil field for the Persian Gulf nation of Bahrain. The deal had been arranged for Harken by two former Stephens, Inc., brokers. A company insider claims the president's son did not initiate the deal -- but feels that his presence in the firm helped with the Bahrainis. "Hell, that's why he's on the damn board," the insider says. "...You say, 'By the way, the president's son sits on our board.' You use that. There's nothing wrong with that."
Junior has told acquaintances conflicting stories about his own involvement in the deal. He first claimed that he had "recused" himself from the deal; "George said he left the room when Bahrain was being discussed 'because we can't even have the appearance of having anything to do with the government.' He was into a big rant about how unfair it was to be the president's son. He said, 'I was so scrupulous I was never in the room when it was discussed.'"
Junior alternately claimed, to reporters for the Wall Street Journal and D Magazine, that he had opposed the arrangement. But the company insider says, to the contrary, that Junior was excited about the Bahrain deal. "Like any member of the board, he was thrilled," the associate says. "His attitude was, 'Holy shit, what a great deal!'"
CONTINUED...
http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/harkenenergyandinsidertrading.htm
That's why I mean by keeping Wall Street and private business out of Washington and the public's business. What a coincidence. That axis of evil weasels is where the money trumps peace idea comes from.
Faux pas
(14,690 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Revolutionary to vote for peace and the prosperity for We the People, not just the 1-percent.
brooklynite
(94,703 posts)...changing the party rules and policies by actually getting people elected.
I'll admit, the bandanas and t-shirts aren't nearly as colorful...
actslikeacarrot
(464 posts)...when the system is still working for you why would you want a radical shift?
brooklynite
(94,703 posts)I've said before I have no problem in the abstract with any of Bernie's policies; I just don't think he can get elected to implement them. So I'll go with a mainstream, electable candidate who'll work for incremental change rather than "all or nothing".
actslikeacarrot
(464 posts)When the fuck did I call you a 1%? My ARGUMENT is if you can wait for incrementalism then the system is working for you. Some of us can't wait that long.
brooklynite
(94,703 posts)...isn't an improvement.
KPN
(15,649 posts)when youi wanted to say something too I'm guessing.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)It's the Party where each vote counts the same. All are equal under law. That's how Democratic politics also are supposed to be.
Where I have a problem with some people is when they think wealthy individuals deserve to have a bigger voice in politics. They believe their taxes and contributions afford them extra rights and access. They feel it's their birthright to enjoy one set of rules for the Little People and another for the privileged.
Those assholes who think like that already have a party. They're called Republicans.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)corkhead
(6,119 posts)to be a cudgel just like "liberal" and "socialist".
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)OK, now that I called you one, by your criteria, I am also a Revolutionary!
We have far too much work to do...
(I hope they don't hang us for our "revolutionary" stances.)
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Mass Denial in the Assassination of President Kennedy
By E. Martin Schotz
Coalition on Political Assassinations Conference, 20 November 1998, Dallas, Texas
EXCERPT...
When the Waters Were Changed
Once upon a time Khidr, the Teacher of Moses, called upon mankind with a warning. At a certain date, he said, all the water in the world which had not been specially hoarded, would disappear. It would then be renewed with different water, which would drive men mad.
Only one man listened to the meaning of this advice. He collected water, went to a secure place where he stored it, and waited for the water to change its character.
On the appointed date the streams stopped running, the wells went dry, and the man who had listened, seeing this happening, went to his retreat and drank his preserved water.
When he saw, from his security, the waterfalls again beginning to flow, this man descended among the other sons of men. He found that they were thinking and talking in an entirely different way from before; yet they had no memory of what had happened, nor of having been warned. When he tried to talk to them, he realized that they thought that he was mad, and they showed hostility or compassion, not understanding.
At first he drank none of the new water, but went back to his concealment, to draw on his supplies, every day. Finally, however, he took the decision to drink the new water because he could not bear the loneliness of living, behaving and thinking in a different way from everyone else. He drank the new water, and became like the rest. Then he forgot all about his own store of special water, and his fellows began to look upon him as a madman who had miraculously been restored to sanity.[2]
CONTINUED...
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/COPA1998EMS.html
Well, maybe not...
2banon
(7,321 posts)11 Commandments , 11 Bill of Rights, 11 Platform Positions...
maybe we should make it 12 ?
Safeguarding democratic process from saboteurs on every level.. (terrible word smithing, but you get the point)
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)The Democratic Democrat kind.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)salinsky
(1,065 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)is a revolutionary act, we are nearly there.
It's time to pop their virtual reality matrix with actual crowds and real people with real ballots and real votes.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)You must not have read through to the end.
BTW: How many "visible minorities" are on the Forbes 400, siddithers of DU?
Uncle Joe
(58,404 posts)Thanks for the thread.
tokenlib
(4,186 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Overseas
(12,121 posts)These are great values I've had for years.
I thought we'd go full force for them in 2008, after the Bush crash and the Bush torture.
Other countries enacted universal health care with their citizens' tax dollars to demonstrate the good that their contributions could achieve. They also understood that their people would need help as they industrialized, with oil and chemical spills and worker displacement and the least we could do was be sure they had health care.
Other countries recognized that a great infrastructure was a great sign of tax dollars being used efficiently for all. Our crumbling infrastructure should be a stronger motivating force but it is hardly covered on our corporate media.
An it was illuminating to read that CNN had more air time allocated to fossil fuel company ads than to discussions of climate change.
So sad that even the classic principle of a more equitable sharing of profits with the workers who created those profits would lead to a greater velocity of money which would help the economy as a whole has not been discussed.
As we watch status quo corporate greed destroying our country it is sad that common sense is deemed Revolutionary.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)It's a fucked up political system we have at the moment