2016 Postmortem
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They have made fun of Bernie because he doesn't buy $1,000 suits. However, with his demeanor and integrity he is the only one to me that acts Presidential.
Please tell me how "with a cloth" and we came, we saw, he died (laugh, laugh, laugh) is acting presidential.
Even Seymour Hersch said Hillary's comment about Qaddafi was bizarre.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)he could use the DEMOCRATIC establishment to run his campaign. Then he sued the DNC. If Bernie had any real integrity, he would have run as an independent and built the national, state and local infrastructure to make that happen.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)HONEST message to attract new voters. They would be in trouble without him.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)His message is not honest if he is running under the DEMOCRAT banner and engaging in all sorts of mischief to undermine the DEM party.
msongs
(67,443 posts)to mention all that anti-war baloney from a guy who is a big military spender
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Believe you, you wouldn't want to know. He did the honorable thing. He ran as a Democrat, and he has helped the Democrats have something of a news cycle and something of a broadening of their base, if they can just hold onto it.
djean111
(14,255 posts)What has happened blindsided them. I was sick of the party anyway, living here in Florida and watching Debbie DINO campaign for GOP cronies and refuse the give DNC support to liberals. Watching how Debbie and Bill Nelson and Gwen Graham vote with the GOP. Watching how Patrick Murphy switched to Dem ONLY because he wanted to run against another Republican, and be hugged and welcomed by Debbie and Hillary. In 2012.
The Democratic Party is being taken over by the Third Way. That New Democrat Coalition is advised by them, and their agenda is to eschew that silly old ideology and work with the GOP. Which, of course, results in doing what the GOP and the 1% wanted to do anyway.
So - I am out after I vote for Grayson, in August primary. I cannot belong to a party that stands for war and fracking and the TPP and cluster bombs and bloody intervention and says NO to Single payer. The Third Way wins, we the people lose, and I won't enable them. Has nothing to do with Bernie - Bernie just pulled the curtain back and exposed how the Democratic Party has slid over to the right. I am not going with it, that's all.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Sorry, but they don't.
Not Trump.
Not Clinton.
Not Bernie.
All three have acted the fool at one time or another this election cycle.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)But him and his campaign have done some questionable things this cycle, as the rest have.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I think his appearance is just fine.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)IS NOT HONEST.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)it was proven he was right.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)He decided to run for President. That reeks of opportunitism not integrity.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Bernie is not a socialist.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Ignore the sneering Hillary supporters. They don't get it. The willful blindness and willingness to tell lies to support their candidate is similar to that of cigarette executives who took forever to admit cigarette smoking caused cancer or oil company executives to believe in climate change.
At some point you just have to realize the OBNOXIOUS Hillary supporters aren't interested in reality and there are probably financial reasons for the "willful ignorance". Whether that is working for the campaign, or being a recipient of Clinton fundraising money, or whatever, it's just bad judgment, and like Bush voting Republicans in 2004, you can't fix the stupid. Maybe they really are Republican operatives out to destroy the party? How else to describe the venom?
It will get better. At least I hope so!