a new calculator is in order?

The picture you are looking at comes from the school of art known as surrealism.

reality is still forming, we were discussing your incorrect math at the present time. If you want to count votes not yet cast, you might as well paint your surrealism with all the possible yet to be cast votes both pledged and super-privileged.

Your picture would still be incorrect but complete and would then be more than what is now, not just a sketch of a work in progress, but with strokes you added that the artist hasn't yet committed to canvass.

Correct your math, or admit you are either very poor at math skills, or are including votes that are not even cast yet just to make things appear more slanted than they are.

I think they call that spin on TV, It is called bullshit in the real world.


Most assuredly not objective reality.

2156 vs. 1412 ... the complete picture of the Democratic Primaries. Anything else is denial.

Reality is what it is and Hilary is ahead, but your numbers are #eggsbeforetheyrehatchedmath.

I have no more time to talk to someone that can't even do simple math, but adds numbers thinking the teacher will call him/her pet.

You are playing dumb, I have little time or patience fore feigned stupidity. Peddle your poor math skills elsewhere.

And the Independents are with us.

Que Sera, Sera..

get the first response slot. And if they have under 500 posts, on the ignore list they go.

There was a time you had less than 500 posts, were your worth less then? Anyway, I have more than 500 posts. And this just added one more.

Your efforts to get the number one response slot indicates to me that you are not here to discuss.

I am tired of the tactics of your side to, in my opinion, disrupt. Bob-Bye

means I'm not here to discuss. I'm more than willing to discuss, but the crap that the BS cheerleaders post shows they're not interested in reality. They just want to Bern the House Down.

Currently it looks like Clinton will get the most delegates before the Primary, but she will not get enough to win the nomination outright. When Clinton ran against President Obama, she didn't concede as quickly as she wants Bernie to. Bernie hasn't referenced the RFK assassination as a reason to continue. In any event, it's not over 'til it's over.

You think Clinton is the greatest Dem evah and we should all line up behind her? Ok, fine, but realize that different people are not going to share your opinion. What can Clinton do to unify the Party? "I'm not a republican", isn't good enough for me anymore. Personally, I think I'm too sexist and racist to vote for Clinton, but Jill Stein on the other hand...

I see you math and raise you the GE voting block.

Bernies crowd wecomes all.

Maybe even with "misguided." I see a lot of calculation.

When your candidate of choice looses the primary, it is painful. Most of us have been there before. But there is no need to gather your stuff and go off in a huff,either. The Republicans are the real enemies to defeat now.

Our government is based on something addressing the tyranny of the majority over the minority. Clinton might think about that if she's going to be President.

Democrats are not willing to fight for those among us that are suffering. They are content to settle for the status quo. I believe this is a do or die primary to save our party from the Wealthy and Super Wealthy, and to save our country NOT FROM THE REPUBLICONS but from the Oligarchy that are stealing our wealth and resources. Even the Koch Bros support Clinton.

And not only our country, but the world! While I support Bernie for his other policies, for me the clincher is global warming. I don't see Clinton being willing to make the drastic changes that will have to be made to address this crisis.

If we continue to let the mega corporations determine our policies, we are all doomed. I just can't fathom the level of denial that is necessary to pretend that we can tinker around making small and largely symbolic changes to our energy sources and that will be adequate. What we have to realize is that the oligarchy does know that we are headed for disaster and they just don't care. They think that they will survive no matter what and they are planning for it. I don't know how they think that they will be able to maintain their wealth and their lifestyles if New York and other major cities are under water, but somehow they do. This kind of delusional thinking is suicidal for everyone.

So I am wondering when Hillary supporters will start agitating for serious action on this issue, and demanding that Hillary do so. I have heard very little from her on this topic.

Bernie has no congressional support and never will. A president is not a super hero; they enforce the law, not make law. HRC has the best chance to initiate the changes we all agree need to be made.
And the Koch brothers realize HRC would be a better president, not that they endorse her...

why would we vote for the status quo to defeat the status quo?

You weren't aware of that?

I thought that was Bernie's strategy... Supers???

would expect him to make his case to them. Would be much better if they did't exist. Hate the game, not the player. He can't change the game from outside.

I wonder how many actually know this. http://truthinmedia.com/report-lobbyists-among-democratic-superdelegates/

In a rational world, only elected delegates count. I'm fine with supers being guaranteed attendance at the convention. Period.

of the remaining pledged delegates to reach the adjusted amount.

should be spent on regime change so multinationals can go into what's left of the countries to steal their stuff, then Hillary is your candidate.

No can do.

She loves the smell of regime change in the morning.

you sure as shit better vote for the side that will give you the better Supreme Court justice because a lot of crap is going to be decided by them.

Anything short of that and you're all a bunch of whiny hypocrites.

Vote for the person who wins against all Republicans by much larger margins than Hillary.
That would be the smart play.

I don't care if Bernie fans can't bring themselves to actually support Hillary, that's fine, no problemo at all. I do care that as Democrats, unaligned, Independents, and liberals and progressives, that we all want to keep the White House in control of the Democrats rather than see it fall into Republican hands. Best find some common ground, because whether some of you like it or not, it's going to be Hillary, regardless of how much that sticks in your craw. She's going to be the closest any of us come to in holding the presidency, and everything that stands for, during the next 4/8 years, Gods save us from the alternative if we fail to pull this off.

Eat bitter fruit that leaves an aftertaste for decades or bitter fruit that leaves an aftertaste for years?
And anyone that decides that not taking a bite is delusional?
"Just eat it, there will be sweet fruit next time"


Nah, sorry.
I dont believe that story anymore

Democratic party's election process, but I don't remember this constant harping about the legitimacy and role of super delegates in 2008.

Listen up, it isn't complicated. The super delegates will support the candidate who has the most pledged delegates. In 2008 that candidate was Obama, albeit by a razor thin 102 pledged delegates. The popular vote was very close too.

This year the winning candidate is Hillary, she has almost triple the amount of pledged delegates that Obama had 8 years ago. That's all there is to it. Goodness knows that it hurts like hell to lose (been there done that in 2008), but it is what it is.

could be nominated by proclamation.

Will Sanders do the same?

created in the first place...and when, to provide full context.

Therein lies the difference.

I vote for progressives, not parties.

Hillary will lose a GE. Millions of people hate her on every side imaginable and 55% of Dem vote is a guaranteed loss in a GE.
We've been saying this to you guys forever. She is the weakest candidate in a GE

If you're an Independent, then why should you have a say on who Democrats choose as their nominee? If you're not a member of a club, would you be allowed to decide who runs it?

This isn't Sam's Club.
Anything less is suppression. Otherwise don't cater the Indy vote in a GE.

Primaries are about choosing the nominee of a party. If someone wants to vote in a primary, then they should join a party of their choice. I live in a closed primary state. I know that if I want to vote in June I have to be a member of either party or stay home. I'm fine with that. IMO, all primaries should be closed.

4) Huge registration surges reported in California, largely Democratic, largely Latino.

Nothing to worry about.

You must be living in a fantasy world.

That they don't feel a woman should be president.

And that they will just vote for their husbands choice.

I kid you not!

dont vote
dont show up
vote for Trump
Vote for Stein
vote for Spongebob.
Just stop the infernal whining about it.

I don't believe you are being bullied. Looks like another persecution fantasy to me.

to, not to be friends, but demand we support the candidate that stands for everything we are fighting against. Well you have your hubris to keep you warm. Best start looking for a scapegoat to blame for you loses.

People are dying because of the greed that your side embraces.

The hate-filled clowns who spend most of their time attacking Democrats rather than Republicans and imagine that they speak for 99% of Americans, when they don't even speak for the majority of Sanders supporters, the vast majority of which are just fine with Hillary as their second choice. People who literally can't even write a screed whining about how down and dirty the conversation has become (which is almost entirely instigated by their side) without spewing angry lies.

Are you upset about reality?
He is correct in what he said & yet you stand here basically defending it?
Sorry but peoples lives are more important than you worrying about someone attacking Dems. Just like how Dems were wrong when they gutted SNAP.

Nobody can "demand" that you support a candidate. Very dramatic post.

I don't have to start looking for a scapegoat. If we lose a close race it will because the Sanders supporters, for all their dramatic talk about caring, really don't care if a Republican takes the country to Hell.

to single payer? Hillary says NO to free (paid for by taxes on her buddies) college, because "why pay for rich people"? Bullshit bogus argument. Bernie says no to fracking, Hillary's says hey, it is probably okay, I will look into it - really, I think she is fine with it if it only impacts poor neighborhoods. Shilling for the TPP and calling it the gold standard, and then pandering and back-tracking? Saying that hey, I am good with adding some restrictions to abortion rights? That is just a few things.

The only thing Bernie's and Hillary's platforms have in common, really, is that they are both in English. And Bernie's is truthful, and Hillary will pander for votes, so not believable on whatever she says she agrees with Bernie about.

Gotta say I don't really give a flying fuck who gets blamed when Hillary runs and loses, if she gets the nomination. Big fucking deal. Blamed by people who are okay with war and fracking and the TPP and cluster bombs. Would be an honor.

Constant ME ME ME

Is as poor as your understanding of how politics works in this country. I do not love Clinton, but she has this pretty well wrapped up.

And only someone who has never really been Bullied can considered condescending comments on a website they choose to visit bullying.

Your pathetic attempt to be considered some kind of victim would be humorous if not for the fact that there are lots of folk who truly are bullied in scenarios they cannot avoid.

supporters. If you do manage to grab the nomination, you have a pretty tough job in front of you.

Please re-read my post. I do not love either candidate and I am not disparaging Bernie. But only a hard core Bernie supporter who when told that his candidate is losing badly would think that Bullying is occurring. No one is forced to visit this site. And if you visit for a while and choose to leave, no one can track you down. Calling anything that happens here Bullying is an insult to all the kids, and adults who are actual victim of true bullying on a daily basis.

But it is well know that most of Bernie supporters are Millennials. And if you have been given a trophy for coming in 5th place your entire life, it must hurt to have someone tell you that you are full of shit.

A woman will be nominated on the first ballot.

wait til the rest of the states vote... when the convention comes... you'll see...

Predictable. And by now, really, really boring.

No one plays the victim better than the Clintons.

Why are you so angry about the original OP?

SO they will continue pushing voters away from Hillary

do right here.

We're all human beings, I presume.

How do you act when people shit on you? They have free will. They will vote for Hillary or Trump or not at all.

The bigger question is whether Hillary and the party will choose to accept and include a very large number of fired up people who only want things that Democrats have traditionally wanted.

Vote for us, despite our lack of vision or fighting spirit, OR ELSE...

This primary cycle has seen a lot of manipulation and control. I was horrified when I realized the super delegates were all signed up before the campaign season even began. The clinton team has very sophisticated control skills. Everything seems to be about same same and nothing about new and nothing about democracy. I am old and even I am exhausted with the lack of anything fresh. And even if clinton starts agreeing to some of the more progressive ideas, she is not a progressive and I doubt she is capable of pushing for progressive ideas. I do not trust her. The DNC and DWS have pushed me out of the Dem party. Yep, after a lifetime of being Dem I am now progressive. I am not sure what to call myself. But if clinton is a democrat, I am something else. Will be watching for new vocabulary.

The best way to deal with them (in the real world) is to walk straight up to them and punch them in nose. The sycophants that surround them slither back under the rocks they crawled out from.

A similar MO applies in the cyber world.

There is no negotiating. Force is the only thing they understand.

DNC.

This tactic is actually turning people away from the Party which could its numbers actually fall below that of Republican registered voters.

Trump may have protesters now, but I have heard from many Democrats that the protests against Hillary will rival the 1968 Democratic Convention.