2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIt's swing voters who will decide the General election
and Bernie would lose them:
Who are the swing voters in 2016? Most describe themselves as Independent (84%) and moderate (56%). In political outlook they lie between the two parties: Just 11% are liberals, compared to 49% of Democrats; 24% are conservatives, compared to 69% of Republicans. They are slightly more female than male and a little less likely to have a college degree than voters overall. Nearly a third of them are non-white.
Our survey indicates that to win them, Democrats must move beyond the finger-pointing populism thats dominated their primary campaign. Swing voters arent drawn to an angry narrative of economic grievance and victimhood. Most dont believe the economic deck is stacked against them (only 39% say it is, compared to 47% of Democrats).
On trade, the PPI poll found a striking incongruity between the fiercely protectionist rhetoric that has pervaded the primary season and the attitudes of voters in the four battleground states. Fully three-fourths of all voters believe that, to have a strong economy the United States must rely on trade. Strikingly, Democrats are the most likely to agree (82%). They also strongly support new trade agreements.
Strong majorities of voters reject the Trump-Sanders diagnosis that bad trade agreements are to blame for U.S. jobs going abroad; they say cheaper labor is the main reason. And more say they want to train U.S. workers for new jobs in high-tech manufacturing than to bring back manufacturing jobs that dont require advanced skills, like textiles or automobiles.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/29/clinton-s-key-never-mind-the-bernie-bros-here-come-the-swing-voters.html
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)but the HRC gang has constantly marginalized the Sanders voters.
Burning bridges isn't a good idea, especially before you get to them.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Just 11% are liberals and 24% are conservatives... the rest are in between. I think that means the vast majority are open to vote for any candidate from either party.. liberal or conservative or moderate. I suspect their main factor would be more about the candidate qualities and rather than liberal or conservative policies.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)four swing states,do or die states for both parties.
inchhigh
(384 posts)She's the most hated candidate in history. The tiny fraction of the total electorate that will vote for her in the GE already did in the primaries (or will soon). Outside of that her only potential pickups are people who couldn't find the limited polling places on primary day.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Sputtering hyperbole about how she's THE MOST HATED PERSON EVER!!!! isn't worth replying to.
inchhigh
(384 posts)The big gripe during the open primaries was that they weren't fair to her because the independents were all going for Bernie. Every approval rating this year predicts she wlill be the least liked major party candidate ever. I don't think that's hyperbole. It's just plain fact. Outside of her narrow base people can't stand her.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)about open primaries. Caucasus yes. There was evidence of shenanigans there. If she has a "narrow base" Sanders must be even more narrow since he is losing HUGE.
inchhigh
(384 posts)"While they see reducing inequality as important, swing voters show less intensity on this score than Democrats. Like Republicans, they give higher priority to stimulating growth than to fairness"
Everyone already expects her to do better by ignoring progressive principles and not acting like a democrat. They already know she lied to win the primaries and now will say whatever she needs to in the GE. The minute she starts to "pivot" to appeal to these independents her lack of integrity will highlight why she is the sort of inside politician that have driven the whole Trump and Sanders movements.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)newfie11
(8,159 posts)i don't think
I need to name names!
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Bury reality from view and of course people will accept the shiny happy nonsense peddled to keep them complacent while Big Business and Wall St. pick their pockets and steal their government
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)regardless of how badly they portray Drumph up to November (which will be easy since he is scum). She will energize the RW base to come out to vote against her.
Then there is the potential indictment and the Wall Street Speeches..........
and the part where she needs to EARN votes, they aren't OWED to her except by the people she's paid for.
Bernie's fault? Bernie's Supporters' Fault?
She dosen't need us - she has Wall Street. And that's where he loyalties "lie".
Bark At The Moon!
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)President Obama and Michelle Obama plan on campaigning for Hillary. No matter how much Bernie supporters hate our president most DEMS love him.
byyiminy
(39 posts)Clinton will lose here in a landslide.
Bernie will not.
I happen to be a swing voter, as you like to say. I'm a proud independent who saw the decay of the Democratic Party and left at the appropriate time.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)byyiminy
(39 posts)Democrats: 934,818
Republicans: 957,226
Independents: 1,016,175
Grand total of registered voters at the time of our caucus: 2,947,020
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)nominee,although I think we'll win it by a small margin.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Her drug position is medieval.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)has 2 positions that might be considered liberal,although not as liberal as Hillarys. One is his drug policy according to this chart:
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Presidential%20candidates%20on%20Drug%20PolicyDrug%20Policy&form=ELCAND&p1=%5BFUI+els%3D%22BingPoliticalIndex%22+bpiid%3D%222%22%5D
Although if marijuana legislation is your litmus test for voting,Rand Paul gets very high marks. In every other category,every republican is "medieval". You make whatever choice you want,no one is forcing you to do otherwise.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Who will make it a top priority. Who will provide bold, muscular global leadership on known polluters like fracking, the TPP etc.
That's Bernie Sanders or Jill Stein. Voting for Hillary is like voting for a Republican since her tepid incrementalism is as destructive to out planet as climate change deniers.
Scientists believe the leading edge of severe weather and environmental events will be snowballing within the next few years. Certainly within 5 years it will be very obvious even to those who are the most apathetic.
I have to live with myself and will vote my conscience so in 5 years I will know I didn't knowingly vote for the coming disasters.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Or are they in the bag for Hillary too?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)It's not Chelsea Beast it's the "Whitehouse got a new dog".
Unfortunately for your joke Chelsea is not on the board of directors of The Daily Beast. She is on the board of IAC though, a corporation of which the daily beast is a small part.
I'd say that remove would put tinkering in articles a bit beyond Chelsea's reach.
But you be you. Facts are for little people.
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)general election and focus instead on taking back the Senate?
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)What your experiencing is called a presidential election,it's where the nominees from both parties try to get the most votes from the most people.
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)forum could actually force you to do something against your will,but that would be silly.
Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)Certainly swing votes are a mixed bag, but attempting to appeal to them is also a mixed bag. If those appeals don't also strike a chord with the base you risk alienating a larger group in pursuit of a smaller.
IMHO Clinton should start raising the ghosts of democratic success stories such as infrastructure maintenance and repair. After 70 years most of the improvements put in place by the New Deal are crumbling. It shouldn't be too difficult to merge imagery from the WPA into a democratic campaign. Democratic voters still identify with those efforts and it would motivate registered democrats to go to the polls.
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