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sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:47 AM Apr 2016

It's swing voters who will decide the General election

and Bernie would lose them:

Who are the swing voters in 2016? Most describe themselves as Independent (84%) and moderate (56%). In political outlook they lie between the two parties: Just 11% are liberals, compared to 49% of Democrats; 24% are conservatives, compared to 69% of Republicans. They are slightly more female than male and a little less likely to have a college degree than voters overall. Nearly a third of them are non-white.

Our survey indicates that to win them, Democrats must move beyond the finger-pointing populism that’s dominated their primary campaign. Swing voters aren’t drawn to an angry narrative of economic grievance and victimhood. Most don’t believe the economic deck is stacked against them (only 39% say it is, compared to 47% of Democrats).




On trade, the PPI poll found a striking incongruity between the fiercely protectionist rhetoric that has pervaded the primary season and the attitudes of voters in the four battleground states. Fully three-fourths of all voters believe that, to have a strong economy the United States must rely on trade. Strikingly, Democrats are the most likely to agree (82%). They also strongly support new trade agreements.

Strong majorities of voters reject the Trump-Sanders diagnosis that bad trade agreements are to blame for U.S. jobs going abroad; they say cheaper labor is the main reason. And more say they want to train U.S. workers for new jobs in high-tech manufacturing than to bring back manufacturing jobs that don’t require advanced skills, like textiles or automobiles.






http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/29/clinton-s-key-never-mind-the-bernie-bros-here-come-the-swing-voters.html

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It's swing voters who will decide the General election (Original Post) sufrommich Apr 2016 OP
Hillary will need every vote she can get, TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #1
This article reveals an important fact about Independents.. they are extremely diverse politically. DCBob Apr 2016 #2
Unfortunately,that's true. This is polling data from sufrommich Apr 2016 #3
FYI Armstead Apr 2016 #9
How? inchhigh Apr 2016 #4
You know,you could read the article linked in the OP. sufrommich Apr 2016 #5
I read it and it's dribble inchhigh Apr 2016 #6
I did not see any Hillary supporter complain fun n serious Apr 2016 #29
And this is why she is so disliked inchhigh Apr 2016 #7
Bernie could win them over if Dems stopped lying about him Armstead Apr 2016 #8
More likely the flipping voting machines, newfie11 Apr 2016 #10
Lack of information from the media and the Corporate message from Democrats Armstead Apr 2016 #11
Can Hillary really afford to dismiss Bernie supporters? GeorgeGist Apr 2016 #12
When did Hillary dismiss Bernie supporters? nt sufrommich Apr 2016 #13
She will NEver get the Independants Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #14
We will come together and WIN in Novemeber fun n serious Apr 2016 #30
I live in a swing state. byyiminy Apr 2016 #15
What state do you live in? sufrommich Apr 2016 #16
I'm in Colorado byyiminy Apr 2016 #17
Colorado is going to be a toss up regardless of the democratic sufrommich Apr 2016 #19
Hillary's anti-MJ position will/has hurt her in CO. She lost by 20 pts there right? riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #26
The GOP is going to nominate Donald Trump,who sufrommich Apr 2016 #31
My litmus test is climate change. Who has the most aggressive plan to tackle it riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #32
ah Chelsea's Beast's proclamation of the day? azurnoir Apr 2016 #18
Actually it's an article from the founder of PPI.nt sufrommich Apr 2016 #20
the link is from the Daily Beast and Chelsea is on the BoD-the author is no surprise either azurnoir Apr 2016 #21
He's directly quoting an extensive poll done by PPI: sufrommich Apr 2016 #22
Lol I'm sure he is I'm supposed to be impressed? azurnoir Apr 2016 #23
You got the joke wrong Buzz cook Apr 2016 #34
So we agree that Hillary can stop hounding us non-swing-voters to betray our conscience in the Vote2016 Apr 2016 #24
Nobody's "hounding" you. sufrommich Apr 2016 #25
So we agree any numbskull who says I have a "duty" to violate my conscience is wrong? Vote2016 Apr 2016 #27
I guess we could pretend that someone on an internet sufrommich Apr 2016 #28
Getting out the base is more important than swing votes or indepedents. Buzz cook Apr 2016 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author CobaltBlue Apr 2016 #35

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
1. Hillary will need every vote she can get,
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:58 AM
Apr 2016

but the HRC gang has constantly marginalized the Sanders voters.

Burning bridges isn't a good idea, especially before you get to them.




DCBob

(24,689 posts)
2. This article reveals an important fact about Independents.. they are extremely diverse politically.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:02 AM
Apr 2016

Just 11% are liberals and 24% are conservatives... the rest are in between. I think that means the vast majority are open to vote for any candidate from either party.. liberal or conservative or moderate. I suspect their main factor would be more about the candidate qualities and rather than liberal or conservative policies.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
3. Unfortunately,that's true. This is polling data from
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:07 AM
Apr 2016

four swing states,do or die states for both parties.

inchhigh

(384 posts)
4. How?
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 09:10 AM
Apr 2016

She's the most hated candidate in history. The tiny fraction of the total electorate that will vote for her in the GE already did in the primaries (or will soon). Outside of that her only potential pickups are people who couldn't find the limited polling places on primary day.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
5. You know,you could read the article linked in the OP.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 09:12 AM
Apr 2016

Sputtering hyperbole about how she's THE MOST HATED PERSON EVER!!!! isn't worth replying to.

inchhigh

(384 posts)
6. I read it and it's dribble
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 09:15 AM
Apr 2016

The big gripe during the open primaries was that they weren't fair to her because the independents were all going for Bernie. Every approval rating this year predicts she wlill be the least liked major party candidate ever. I don't think that's hyperbole. It's just plain fact. Outside of her narrow base people can't stand her.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
29. I did not see any Hillary supporter complain
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:50 PM
Apr 2016

about open primaries. Caucasus yes. There was evidence of shenanigans there. If she has a "narrow base" Sanders must be even more narrow since he is losing HUGE.

inchhigh

(384 posts)
7. And this is why she is so disliked
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 09:28 AM
Apr 2016

"While they see reducing inequality as important, swing voters show less intensity on this score than Democrats. Like Republicans, they give higher priority to stimulating growth than to fairness"

Everyone already expects her to do better by ignoring progressive principles and not acting like a democrat. They already know she lied to win the primaries and now will say whatever she needs to in the GE. The minute she starts to "pivot" to appeal to these independents her lack of integrity will highlight why she is the sort of inside politician that have driven the whole Trump and Sanders movements.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
11. Lack of information from the media and the Corporate message from Democrats
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 09:37 AM
Apr 2016

Bury reality from view and of course people will accept the shiny happy nonsense peddled to keep them complacent while Big Business and Wall St. pick their pockets and steal their government

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
14. She will NEver get the Independants
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:08 PM
Apr 2016


regardless of how badly they portray Drumph up to November (which will be easy since he is scum). She will energize the RW base to come out to vote against her.

Then there is the potential indictment and the Wall Street Speeches..........

and the part where she needs to EARN votes, they aren't OWED to her except by the people she's paid for.

Bernie's fault? Bernie's Supporters' Fault?
She dosen't need us - she has Wall Street. And that's where he loyalties "lie".


Bark At The Moon!


 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
30. We will come together and WIN in Novemeber
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:52 PM
Apr 2016

President Obama and Michelle Obama plan on campaigning for Hillary. No matter how much Bernie supporters hate our president most DEMS love him.

 

byyiminy

(39 posts)
15. I live in a swing state.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:10 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton will lose here in a landslide.

Bernie will not.

I happen to be a swing voter, as you like to say. I'm a proud independent who saw the decay of the Democratic Party and left at the appropriate time.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
19. Colorado is going to be a toss up regardless of the democratic
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:19 PM
Apr 2016

nominee,although I think we'll win it by a small margin.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
26. Hillary's anti-MJ position will/has hurt her in CO. She lost by 20 pts there right?
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:45 PM
Apr 2016

Her drug position is medieval.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
31. The GOP is going to nominate Donald Trump,who
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:59 PM
Apr 2016

has 2 positions that might be considered liberal,although not as liberal as Hillarys. One is his drug policy according to this chart:


https://www.bing.com/search?q=Presidential%20candidates%20on%20Drug%20PolicyDrug%20Policy&form=ELCAND&p1=%5BFUI+els%3D%22BingPoliticalIndex%22+bpiid%3D%222%22%5D



Although if marijuana legislation is your litmus test for voting,Rand Paul gets very high marks. In every other category,every republican is "medieval". You make whatever choice you want,no one is forcing you to do otherwise.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
32. My litmus test is climate change. Who has the most aggressive plan to tackle it
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:10 PM
Apr 2016

Who will make it a top priority. Who will provide bold, muscular global leadership on known polluters like fracking, the TPP etc.

That's Bernie Sanders or Jill Stein. Voting for Hillary is like voting for a Republican since her tepid incrementalism is as destructive to out planet as climate change deniers.

Scientists believe the leading edge of severe weather and environmental events will be snowballing within the next few years. Certainly within 5 years it will be very obvious even to those who are the most apathetic.

I have to live with myself and will vote my conscience so in 5 years I will know I didn't knowingly vote for the coming disasters.

Buzz cook

(2,474 posts)
34. You got the joke wrong
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:11 PM
Apr 2016

It's not Chelsea Beast it's the "Whitehouse got a new dog".

Unfortunately for your joke Chelsea is not on the board of directors of The Daily Beast. She is on the board of IAC though, a corporation of which the daily beast is a small part.

I'd say that remove would put tinkering in articles a bit beyond Chelsea's reach.

But you be you. Facts are for little people.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
24. So we agree that Hillary can stop hounding us non-swing-voters to betray our conscience in the
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:39 PM
Apr 2016

general election and focus instead on taking back the Senate?

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
25. Nobody's "hounding" you.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:43 PM
Apr 2016

What your experiencing is called a presidential election,it's where the nominees from both parties try to get the most votes from the most people.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
28. I guess we could pretend that someone on an internet
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:49 PM
Apr 2016

forum could actually force you to do something against your will,but that would be silly.

Buzz cook

(2,474 posts)
33. Getting out the base is more important than swing votes or indepedents.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:48 PM
Apr 2016

Certainly swing votes are a mixed bag, but attempting to appeal to them is also a mixed bag. If those appeals don't also strike a chord with the base you risk alienating a larger group in pursuit of a smaller.

IMHO Clinton should start raising the ghosts of democratic success stories such as infrastructure maintenance and repair. After 70 years most of the improvements put in place by the New Deal are crumbling. It shouldn't be too difficult to merge imagery from the WPA into a democratic campaign. Democratic voters still identify with those efforts and it would motivate registered democrats to go to the polls.

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