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MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:29 AM Apr 2016

Types of primary race political arguments that fail to move most people...

1. Name-calling that accuses candidates of being from the opposite party.
2. Threatening superdelegates if they don't go your way.
3. Failing to understand the limitations of an office.
4. Threatening not to vote if your candidate doesn't get a nomination.
5. Threatening to leave a political party if you don't get your way.
6. Threatening to vote for some can't-win third party candidate.
7. Claiming that the supporters of the opposing candidate are traitors, racists, or other loaded words.
8. Shouting down supporters of your opponent

Those are some of the ones I can think of. You can add others.

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Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
1. An argument that begins, "If Democrats were smart...."
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:34 AM
Apr 2016

will never sway me.

I feel it is different from 7 since is accuses the entire party of being collectively stupid. I dislike arguments that tars an entire group of millions of people with the same brush.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
2. Claiming the candidate you support ...
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:44 AM
Apr 2016

would be winning; but for, "The Conspiracy".

Answering that your candidate will, in fact, be able to establish their policy agenda because ... magic.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. You forgot "What Hillary supporters don't understand..."
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:49 AM
Apr 2016

Invariably followed by something every intelligent 12-year-old gets.

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
4. Well, I'm an old fart and often don't remember everything.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:53 AM
Apr 2016

I count on everyone else to fill in the gaps.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
5. Telling people that you are going to ignore them...
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:54 AM
Apr 2016

must work though, because I'm finally coming around.

I guess that's what they're saying when they tell me "bye".

moriah

(8,311 posts)
9. When I do that, it's more to acknowledge....
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:02 AM
Apr 2016

... that while I heartily disagree with that person's opinions, I realize they have every right to speak them... but that they crossed a line for me that makes me feel it better for everyone to exercise my option not to see them rather than argue.

The big rule on that has always been to follow through, if you say it, though.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
15. I've never ignored anyone...
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:43 AM
Apr 2016

It's only words.

In any discussion, I typically try to see it from the other person's perspective. So, in any discussion, the WORST possible outcome is the decision to 'agree to disagree'.

Some of the people that I disagree with the most are family and friends that I've know since childhood who have become huuuuge Trump supporters. If I can maintain relationships with people who see things so completely different than me (on Facebook), it should be easy to get along with people who have been drawn to the same discussion board based on the criteria that we both support the democratic party.

I enjoy discussions with people who view things differently. I don't really understand the concept of ignoring people who I disagree with.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
17. My list is relatively short, and few people who haven't registered this Primary...
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:55 AM
Apr 2016

... have treated me so egregiously or posted things so egregious thst I just felt it better to let them have their DU, and let me have mine. I always purge my list at GE footingx and it's not in use except during primaries.

But on FB, I have a list I exclude from seeing my political or controversial posts, more so I won't lose friends just because we adamantly disagree and it's not worth offending them. Ultra-religious family, previous coworkers, etc.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
11. Posting outdated poll data from disreputable sources.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:08 AM
Apr 2016

Posting debunked memes pretending that candidate ads are actual ballots.

Clicking alert on anything in hopes of getting a friendly-jury.

Posting charts and tables made with Windows 95 MS-Paint.

Posting sexist images of Hillary's face Photoshopped onto a stripper's body (or a man's body, or an animal's body).





DLnyc

(2,479 posts)
13. Listing a bunch of criticisms, without giving any positive reason to vote for your candidate
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:13 AM
Apr 2016

might be a failing tactic also.

Also, focusing on criticizing the behavior of (a few of) the other candidate's supporters is generally an ineffective tactic.

More effective might be giving some actual positive reasons why voting for your candidate is a good idea.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
14. Okay.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

All arguments that use disdain, condescension, bullying, efforts to silence dissent, and efforts to force a false "unity." Claiming that a refusal to vote for one candidate is an automatic vote for another. The perpetual So you want ______________???" The efforts to drum up fear and hatred of Republicans to encourage lesser evil votes. The blaming of losses on people voting their conscience instead of people nominating a candidate who can't or doesn't earn those votes. The "no we can't" mantra spouted to those who want to work for fundamental change.

Those are some I can think of. I could go on, but why?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
18. You're correct. That's an excellent object lesson for Bernie fans ...
Sun May 1, 2016, 09:15 AM
May 2016

"Not having the good sense to thoughtfully reflect and reconsider."
"Inability to admit making a mistake, correcting it, and moving on."

Thanks!

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
19. Claiming Ronald Reagan was the Original AIDS Activist, big turnoff:
Sun May 1, 2016, 10:20 AM
May 2016


Also a huge turnoff, the apathy of her supporters about that comment and what it signifies. Her comment inexplicable, the damage irreparable.
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