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Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:49 PM Apr 2016

Sanders campaign calls Clinton's use of highly offensive language "disappointing."

Was her brain running on CP (confused politician) time? Then again, maybe this isn't her fault. Maybe Mayor de Blasio is to blame.

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2016/04/29/trump-has-gone-reservation-clinton-says-sanders-campaign-calls-clintons-comment

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On Friday, Clinton describe the Republican front runner as being "off the reservation" with his comments against her.

"I have a lot of experience dealing with men who sometimes get off the reservation in the way they behave and how they speak," Clinton said on CNN's "The Lead" with Jake Tapper.

The Bernie Sanders campaign called Clinton's choice of words "disappointing."

"I find it very disappointing. Anyone with a true understanding of the fundamental issues facing tribal communities today would never use that phrase in that context," Nicole Willis (Confederated Tribes of Umatilla), Sanders's National Tribal Outreach Director, wrote in message to ICTMN on Friday.

The derivation of the offensive term comes from the 19th century when the U.S. confined Native Americans to prison camps, today known as reservations. The phrase was used to identify "hostile" Native Americans who were found outside of reservation boundaries.

Tapper later agreed during an interview with professor and pundit Nina Turner that the term Clinton used is highly offensive.

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Sanders campaign calls Clinton's use of highly offensive language "disappointing." (Original Post) Karmadillo Apr 2016 OP
It wasn't disappointing it was stupid but does give you insight into how she thinks. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #1
It paints the picture of people needing to be rounded up. reformist2 Apr 2016 #26
That is clearly a disgusting remark from Hillary. How is that any less racist berni_mccoy Apr 2016 #2
Oh, they'll come back to the reservation...probably on CP time. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #3
Not good Bernie. runaway hero Apr 2016 #4
So? His point is still absolutely valid. TDale313 Apr 2016 #6
no, but runaway hero Apr 2016 #28
It would not be minor if Bernie had said it passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #38
I disagree. runaway hero Apr 2016 #49
And that's the whole point dragonlady Apr 2016 #56
I never said he would have. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #61
AGREED! SHE' GETS AWAY WITH EVERYTHING... BECAUSE SHE IS THE CORPORATE CANDIDATE! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #60
Hope she doesn't get away with everything, but I agree she's the corporate candidate. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #81
So it is okay to offend Native Americans? WTF? nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #7
no runaway hero Apr 2016 #9
I see fighting racism with racism. Cool. Live and Learn Apr 2016 #10
I bet she was not even thinking of that runaway hero Apr 2016 #22
You may be correct, being aware is not one of her strong points. Live and Learn Apr 2016 #24
of course runaway hero Apr 2016 #27
Racism? I'd say it is pretty important. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #31
i was going to say nitpicking hillary runaway hero Apr 2016 #33
You mean nitpicking Hillary about her racist remark? nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #37
you really think she said this with any malice? runaway hero Apr 2016 #47
Actually, yes. I don't think she gives a crap about any of us. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #65
Obviously she hadn't gotten the point yet the phrase was racist; eShirl May 2016 #100
Irrelevant. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #48
I just thought she said trump went off the reservation. runaway hero Apr 2016 #51
*Native Agschmid Apr 2016 #11
Corrected and thanks for ignoring the issue and trying to make hay out of an obvious typo. Live and Learn Apr 2016 #14
No problem. Agschmid Apr 2016 #15
Well, there might be one but I am not going to judge. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #19
See that's the problem right there, you should judge Agschmid Apr 2016 #23
That just might be the problem. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #25
+1 n/t Aerows Apr 2016 #29
Well, we've tried to kill them off for half a millenium. That didn't work. mikehiggins Apr 2016 #86
Really? No kidding! That is not the point. jillan Apr 2016 #34
So in that case she can drop racist stuff all over the floor??? Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #94
she obviously doesn't think before she speaks Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #5
Gum!!! Funniest one I heard. It should be a meme. dinkytron Apr 2016 #21
That was bad. Amazing how often her Hortensis Apr 2016 #8
Thats not correct. Asians do not support Hillary, nor half the latinos and half the blacks larkrake Apr 2016 #68
Out of touch with reality. 100% of no group will Hortensis Apr 2016 #69
Inddefensible but revealing. nt CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #12
Anyone going off the reservation will be brought to heel. / FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #13
As the super-predators they are, should be. Live and Learn Apr 2016 #17
She does have an authoritarian streak in her, it cannot be denied. reformist2 Apr 2016 #55
Most definitely. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #64
Her experience is with her own husband who is a lying cheating onecaliberal Apr 2016 #16
I always thought being on the reservation was a good thing- like being unified? Am surprised. bettyellen Apr 2016 #18
Seriously? Wow. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #20
Honestly, haven't heard the phrase in forever, and it never occurred to me. I trust peoples word bettyellen Apr 2016 #30
Well, that explains a lot. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #32
You want to say something, say it instead of being coy about it. bettyellen Apr 2016 #35
I said exactly what I wanted to say. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #40
Ill say it since i am a native american SwampG8r Apr 2016 #41
Thanks for this, much appreciated. Just have not heard the term in eons, and probably in an bettyellen Apr 2016 #43
From NPR.ORG in 2014 (long before this happened) Aerows Apr 2016 #36
Hmmm, it has literally been years since I have heard anyone say it, and never heard any brou ha ha bettyellen Apr 2016 #42
It's a bit more than that. Aerows Apr 2016 #44
Yeah, I trust those who say it is offensive- just owning up to my own obliviousness about it.... bettyellen Apr 2016 #45
At one point or another Aerows Apr 2016 #50
Exactly, and I do appreciate you and Swampg8tor for that kindness. bettyellen Apr 2016 #63
If you're Andrew Jackson, maybe. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #71
well the basic meaning is- to leave "our group" for another side- right? so "our group" in that bettyellen Apr 2016 #74
A lot of these old phrases make it into the lexicon and people sort of forget where they originated Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #75
I learned about the "gypped" thing because of Irish human rights activists, and F W +21 because I bettyellen Apr 2016 #77
She would have done better if she'd used "jumped the shark", I think Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #78
I think you'd definately be an amazing speech writer, Warren. bettyellen Apr 2016 #84
... Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #85
you def have a way with words. even when I disagree, you're not unpleasant. bettyellen Apr 2016 #88
Hey, Right Back atcha. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #89
I think we all have our... impatient moments. But yes, more people like us would do this place bettyellen Apr 2016 #90
Another meaning, from the "outside" point of view, maybe ... JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #76
I bet he's never used it. He's so thoughtful that way. But I have...to my discredit. snowy owl Apr 2016 #39
You must be forgetting his ghetto remark nt fun n serious Apr 2016 #53
Which was false outrage then as this is now. runaway hero Apr 2016 #57
You might remember that Jews lived in ghettos. Others refer to them as barrios, slums projects etc. Live and Learn Apr 2016 #66
If your spin makes you feel better keep it up... nt fun n serious Apr 2016 #67
If your false rhetoric makes you feel better.... nt Live and Learn May 2016 #99
Warsaw Ghetto. Aerows Apr 2016 #82
Context fun n serious Apr 2016 #87
I heard she apologized tularetom Apr 2016 #46
It's hard to re-examine your language and phrases that bbgrunt Apr 2016 #52
Nez Perce Reservation here. nilesobek Apr 2016 #54
She habitually uses very offensive verbiage aimed at various minority groups this cycle... Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #58
Comment from the link IADEMO2004 Apr 2016 #59
Random person in the comments section Aerows Apr 2016 #72
turbojesus is not a random person IADEMO2004 Apr 2016 #73
Are you turbojesus? Aerows Apr 2016 #80
To be fair, she is tone-deaf. Bernie is the only one in history to go to the Native American silvershadow Apr 2016 #62
How dare you use a language gotcha with the language gotcha police! Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #70
every thing is highly offensive MFM008 Apr 2016 #79
Please Fairgo Apr 2016 #83
Funny you used a day old article instead of current information. She apologized.... George II Apr 2016 #91
Who are most people? This is just a continued pattern of racist bullshit from Hillary Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #95
. George II Apr 2016 #96
Great point. Joe the Revelator May 2016 #97
You are doing the exactly same nitpicking Sanders supporters do. runaway hero May 2016 #106
No I'm not. If Clinton had not already apologized then a day old article would still be relevant... George II May 2016 #107
I worked in Indian affairs. sofa king Apr 2016 #92
Bernie's campaign is really straining for for one more smear. nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #93
Not only is it offensive to native americans, but imagine if Bernie said: bobbobbins01 May 2016 #98
Oh wow, if Bernie would have said that they would still be crucifying him a month from now! B Calm May 2016 #101
This. n/t ms liberty May 2016 #108
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #102
I'm sure she's forgiven herself for the use of the idiom My Good Babushka May 2016 #103
emails and things. stonecutter357 May 2016 #104
I guess coming right out and calling Clinton a whore doesn't count as highly offensive. baldguy May 2016 #105
Who called Hillary a whore? She fights for working class people as much as the rich. imagine2015 May 2016 #110
Only offensive? To me that was a downright racist comment! imagine2015 May 2016 #109
Highly offensive, bvar22 May 2016 #111
Yeah that was another shitty comment from Hillary Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #112
 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
2. That is clearly a disgusting remark from Hillary. How is that any less racist
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:52 PM
Apr 2016

Than anything Trump has said?

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
6. So? His point is still absolutely valid.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:59 PM
Apr 2016

If Bernie said something racist or sexist would it be ok or not be brought up as long as it wasn't aimed at Hillary?

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
38. It would not be minor if Bernie had said it
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

And there is nothing minor about Clinton saying it.

But...do you really think this would be ignored if Bernie said it? I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
61. I never said he would have.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:36 PM
Apr 2016

I'm just trying to point out the ridiculousness of calling it a minor issue, when we all know what would have happened if Bernie had said it.

Remember popegate?

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
24. You may be correct, being aware is not one of her strong points.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:21 PM
Apr 2016

Hard to keep up with things when one is under sniper fire, after all.

eShirl

(18,504 posts)
100. Obviously she hadn't gotten the point yet the phrase was racist;
Sun May 1, 2016, 07:03 AM
May 2016

criticism now might help her think twice before using the phrase again in the future.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
14. Corrected and thanks for ignoring the issue and trying to make hay out of an obvious typo.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:13 PM
Apr 2016

You should be proud.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
86. Well, we've tried to kill them off for half a millenium. That didn't work.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:37 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe thoughtless insults are all that is left.

And yeah, they are sensitive to things like this. Years and years of attempts to deny and destroy Native culture can lead to sensitivity. Go figure.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. That was bad. Amazing how often her
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:02 PM
Apr 2016

enemies catch her in these things. Not!! There are a bunch of reason why virtually all our "minority" groups support her.

Back to this no-no, I'm surprised after all her years in public she hasn't culled this phrase from her mind. No doubt her enemies among Far Lefters and the Right will eagerly supply sufficient aversion therapy to make sure it doesn't happen again, tho.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
68. Thats not correct. Asians do not support Hillary, nor half the latinos and half the blacks
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:10 PM
Apr 2016

and to my knowledge, she has never reached out to native americans or muslims or independents,or college students or poor kids

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
69. Out of touch with reality. 100% of no group will
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:21 PM
Apr 2016

agree that the earth is round.

Nevertheless, the major blocks within each major minority group, and most of the others, support her, including most Asian Americans, most Latinos, most Blacks, most Native Americans, most Muslims, most sexual-identity groups, and most left-leaning independents. Bernie has most LIBERAL college students, not most college students.

This extremely broad support doesn't fit the evil-Hillary frame, but it's reality.

If one were to judge who should be our national leader by breadth of support alone in an extremely varied nation, Hillary would be outstandingly the one right choice.


 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
30. Honestly, haven't heard the phrase in forever, and it never occurred to me. I trust peoples word
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:24 PM
Apr 2016

if they say it is offensive, just never occurred to me that it was anything negative about being on the reservation. Not exactly been on my radar.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
41. Ill say it since i am a native american
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:34 PM
Apr 2016

It was a racist use of a.racist term
Being on the reservation is not good thats where your government put us acter they had tried every other method.crom smallpox to massacres to steal our lands and make us disappear
Its fucking racist and disgusting and i dont give a european fuck if it was directed at trump or not.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
43. Thanks for this, much appreciated. Just have not heard the term in eons, and probably in an
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:36 PM
Apr 2016

old movie.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
36. From NPR.ORG in 2014 (long before this happened)
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:30 PM
Apr 2016
Should Saying Someone Is 'Off The Reservation' Be Off-Limits?
June 29, 2014 • The term dates back to the 19th century when white traders would swap "firewater" for Indian goods and "off the reservation" was "a lonely and dangerous place for an aboriginal American to be."


http://www.npr.org/series/219668222/code-switch-word-watch

In its literal and original sense, as you would expect, the term was used in the 19th century to describe the activities of Native Americans:

"The acting commissioner of Indian affairs to-day received a telegram from Agent Roorke of the Klamath (Oregon) agency, dated July 6, in which he says: 'No Indians are off the reservation without authority. All my Indians are loyal and peaceable, and doing well." (Baltimore Sun, July 11, 1878)
"Secretary Hoke Smith...has requested of the Secretary of War the aid of the United States troops to arrest a band of Navajo Indians living off the reservation near American Valley, New Mexico, who have been killing cattle, etc." (Washington Post, May 23, 1894)
"Apaches off the reservation...killing deer and gathering wild fruits." (New York Times, Sept. 7, 1897)
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
42. Hmmm, it has literally been years since I have heard anyone say it, and never heard any brou ha ha
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:34 PM
Apr 2016

over it ever. Just conceptually, it wouldn't occur to me, because being on the res is a good thing. But I guess if that is because you'd be in danger, it isn't good. Never had a reason to think about it. Gotta love people implying I am racist for never having to have to think about it. That's awesome.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
44. It's a bit more than that.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:38 PM
Apr 2016

It implies that when you go "off the reservation" you are doing something shady like getting drunk and killing or stealing cattle, etc.

If you will, consider the use of the "Washington Redskins". Native Americans say it is offensive to them. They say the use of "Off the reservation" is rude. I'm not a Native American, but if they say either are offensive, who am I to disagree with them?

I can easily pick up on casual sexism, as well as casual homophobia. Just because someone is oblivious to it doesn't make it okay.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
45. Yeah, I trust those who say it is offensive- just owning up to my own obliviousness about it....
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:42 PM
Apr 2016

I had always assumed it was more about unity- leaving your roots (which is not necessarily a bad thing!) - but the bigger history was not something I ever had to consider. Thanks!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
50. At one point or another
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:46 PM
Apr 2016

we all mess up in some way like this. The only way to change it is to kindly discuss it with each other.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
74. well the basic meaning is- to leave "our group" for another side- right? so "our group" in that
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:48 PM
Apr 2016

context would naturally be the place I preferred us all to be. Never thought of it as being a swipe AT reservations, but never had the chance to give it deep thought. Not sure I have heard the phrase outside of old movies.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
75. A lot of these old phrases make it into the lexicon and people sort of forget where they originated
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:54 PM
Apr 2016

I had a conversation with someone recently who only just found out that "gypped" is a slur against the Romani.

Here's a fucked up one I just learned about - "Free, White, and 21".. At least that one didnt survive into the current zeitgeist.

I'm old enough to remember "Song of the South", too.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
77. I learned about the "gypped" thing because of Irish human rights activists, and F W +21 because I
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:02 PM
Apr 2016

love old movies. And there is always tons of archaic and disturbing stuff in old movies. Honestly, the little I have known about "the rez" have been from a couple people who spoke proudly of being from the rez, so I really always took it as a unity thing. But I don't think I have heard it in a good twenty years.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
78. She would have done better if she'd used "jumped the shark", I think
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:03 PM
Apr 2016

Thats why she should have me writing her speeches.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
88. you def have a way with words. even when I disagree, you're not unpleasant.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:47 PM
Apr 2016

And I WISH I could say that about some fuckers here, LOL.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
89. Hey, Right Back atcha.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:44 PM
Apr 2016

THEY COULD USE MORE PEOPLE LIKE US!

(Although if I'm rigorously honest with myself, sometimes I am unpleasant. Especially when I haven't eaten)

Also, to the Hillary Campaign, I work cheap. Except the only person I know of here actually tied to the campaign probably doesn't like me since I made fun of him for thinking the name of my state's Jr. Senator is "Jeff Berkeley"

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
90. I think we all have our... impatient moments. But yes, more people like us would do this place
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:50 PM
Apr 2016

a world of good, LOL.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,367 posts)
76. Another meaning, from the "outside" point of view, maybe ...
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:59 PM
Apr 2016

that instead of staying on the reservation, with the "good and obedient" population, this individual or group has "gone renegade" and needs to be dealt with.

Just as offensive as the "inside" point of view, no doubt.

But, yes, the term has been used in meetings at work, and I'm sure no hostility was intended, but ...

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
39. I bet he's never used it. He's so thoughtful that way. But I have...to my discredit.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

I think about several things I say now. Even about animals. I'm more sensitive than I used to be. Maybe old age or just maybe more compassion for life as I get older.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
66. You might remember that Jews lived in ghettos. Others refer to them as barrios, slums projects etc.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:09 PM
Apr 2016

Same meaning and nothing nefarious about the term despite your ridiculous false claims.

bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
52. It's hard to re-examine your language and phrases that
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:47 PM
Apr 2016

seem innocuous but have deeply offensive origins that you were unaware of. I know I have been embarrassed by letting some things slip by.

That said, Hillary deserves to be reprimanded. It shows her need to examine her own awareness before she slings rocks and arrows at people like Bernie as being sexist and racist. For all the grief thrown at Bernie for using the word ghetto in its very personal and original sense to him.

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
54. Nez Perce Reservation here.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:52 PM
Apr 2016

No one in their right mind would ever use that phrase out in Lapwai.

This reservation is larger than some Eastern states and is populated by a tribe that never surrendered.

Most people know its a highly offensive statement. But just try and explain that to the clink of clannikans purveying it.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
58. She habitually uses very offensive verbiage aimed at various minority groups this cycle...
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:20 PM
Apr 2016

I do not care for it at all.

IADEMO2004

(5,560 posts)
59. Comment from the link
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:28 PM
Apr 2016

turbojesus
That's why Clinton was made an honorary member of the UKB because they're all racist and hate all the real indians.

UKB = United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians

Read more at http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2016/04/29/trump-has-gone-reservation-clinton-says-sanders-campaign-calls-clintons-comment
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
72. Random person in the comments section
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:29 PM
Apr 2016

says something to shore up Clinton.

Read the article instead of trying to emphasize what some anonymous person had to say.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
80. Are you turbojesus?
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:05 PM
Apr 2016

The article has the author's name attached to it, so it is easy to know whose work you are reading.

In any case, my point is that I read an article with an attributed author that said something entirely different. Furthermore, I agree with the author of the article. If asked, I wonder how wholehearted that endorsement would be today.



 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
62. To be fair, she is tone-deaf. Bernie is the only one in history to go to the Native American
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:41 PM
Apr 2016

communities to let them know he is with them.

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
83. Please
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:15 PM
Apr 2016

This is mildly offensive at best. Like a fart in church. Let it pass and focus on the homily. There's some crazy shit happening in the pulpit.

George II

(67,782 posts)
91. Funny you used a day old article instead of current information. She apologized....
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:53 PM
Apr 2016

....shortly after that comment, and most people consider it over and done with.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
95. Who are most people? This is just a continued pattern of racist bullshit from Hillary
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:47 PM
Apr 2016

That most of her supporters (see what I did there) give her a pass on for some reason.

runaway hero

(835 posts)
106. You are doing the exactly same nitpicking Sanders supporters do.
Sun May 1, 2016, 08:55 AM
May 2016

Who cares if it's a day old? Maybe that's not the point?

George II

(67,782 posts)
107. No I'm not. If Clinton had not already apologized then a day old article would still be relevant...
Sun May 1, 2016, 09:40 AM
May 2016

....but she did, and everyone has already moved on.



sofa king

(10,857 posts)
92. I worked in Indian affairs.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:54 PM
Apr 2016

I'd like to apologize for using this phrase, with and without my American Indian clients, virtually every day of my professional life with them, hundreds of times, often ironically but not always, for years.

I expect about half of Indian Country will be lining up to join me.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
98. Not only is it offensive to native americans, but imagine if Bernie said:
Sun May 1, 2016, 12:13 AM
May 2016

"I have a lot of experience dealing with women who sometimes get off the reservation in the way they behave and how they speak."

Response to Karmadillo (Original post)

My Good Babushka

(2,710 posts)
103. I'm sure she's forgiven herself for the use of the idiom
Sun May 1, 2016, 07:26 AM
May 2016

It may just be my experience, but I hear a lot of "I'm not wrong, I just didn't know it was racist, so no big deal" baby boomer generation non-apologies. That may suffice for the general population of ignoramuses, but a politician, someone who strives to be a leader of the United States, should know better.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
110. Who called Hillary a whore? She fights for working class people as much as the rich.
Sun May 1, 2016, 12:40 PM
May 2016
And if you don't believe me just ask her!

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
111. Highly offensive,
Sun May 1, 2016, 02:31 PM
May 2016

but appealing to the Least Common Denominator among those who now call themselves Democrats.

[font size=3]"All propaganda must be presented in a popular form and must fix its intellectual level so as not to be above the heads of the least intellectual of those to whom it is directed. Thus its purely intellectual level will have to be that of the lowest mental common denominator among the public it is desired to reach."
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