2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders campaign calls Clinton's use of highly offensive language "disappointing."
Was her brain running on CP (confused politician) time? Then again, maybe this isn't her fault. Maybe Mayor de Blasio is to blame.
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2016/04/29/trump-has-gone-reservation-clinton-says-sanders-campaign-calls-clintons-comment
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On Friday, Clinton describe the Republican front runner as being "off the reservation" with his comments against her.
"I have a lot of experience dealing with men who sometimes get off the reservation in the way they behave and how they speak," Clinton said on CNN's "The Lead" with Jake Tapper.
The Bernie Sanders campaign called Clinton's choice of words "disappointing."
"I find it very disappointing. Anyone with a true understanding of the fundamental issues facing tribal communities today would never use that phrase in that context," Nicole Willis (Confederated Tribes of Umatilla), Sanders's National Tribal Outreach Director, wrote in message to ICTMN on Friday.
The derivation of the offensive term comes from the 19th century when the U.S. confined Native Americans to prison camps, today known as reservations. The phrase was used to identify "hostile" Native Americans who were found outside of reservation boundaries.
Tapper later agreed during an interview with professor and pundit Nina Turner that the term Clinton used is highly offensive.
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bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Than anything Trump has said?
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)runaway hero
(835 posts)She was talking about Trump.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)If Bernie said something racist or sexist would it be ok or not be brought up as long as it wasn't aimed at Hillary?
runaway hero
(835 posts)this is minor
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)And there is nothing minor about Clinton saying it.
But...do you really think this would be ignored if Bernie said it? I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.
runaway hero
(835 posts)I think bernie would not have said that in the first place.
dragonlady
(3,577 posts)He wouldn't but she did.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I'm just trying to point out the ridiculousness of calling it a minor issue, when we all know what would have happened if Bernie had said it.
Remember popegate?
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)runaway hero
(835 posts)but that was about trump. seriously.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)runaway hero
(835 posts)You're reaching.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Hard to keep up with things when one is under sniper fire, after all.
runaway hero
(835 posts)but is this the battle you want to fight?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)runaway hero
(835 posts)needlessly, but racism is important.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)runaway hero
(835 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)eShirl
(18,504 posts)criticism now might help her think twice before using the phrase again in the future.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Who cares who it was aimed at? It's an insulting, racist phrase.
runaway hero
(835 posts)I just had agreed with that.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)... If you are going to be offended at least spell the term correctly.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)You should be proud.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I do.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Maybe thoughtless insults are all that is left.
And yeah, they are sensitive to things like this. Years and years of attempts to deny and destroy Native culture can lead to sensitivity. Go figure.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Wtf?
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)like bring them to heel
dinkytron
(568 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)enemies catch her in these things. Not!! There are a bunch of reason why virtually all our "minority" groups support her.
Back to this no-no, I'm surprised after all her years in public she hasn't culled this phrase from her mind. No doubt her enemies among Far Lefters and the Right will eagerly supply sufficient aversion therapy to make sure it doesn't happen again, tho.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)and to my knowledge, she has never reached out to native americans or muslims or independents,or college students or poor kids
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)agree that the earth is round.
Nevertheless, the major blocks within each major minority group, and most of the others, support her, including most Asian Americans, most Latinos, most Blacks, most Native Americans, most Muslims, most sexual-identity groups, and most left-leaning independents. Bernie has most LIBERAL college students, not most college students.
This extremely broad support doesn't fit the evil-Hillary frame, but it's reality.
If one were to judge who should be our national leader by breadth of support alone in an extremely varied nation, Hillary would be outstandingly the one right choice.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)onecaliberal
(32,898 posts)Pathetic excuse.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)if they say it is offensive, just never occurred to me that it was anything negative about being on the reservation. Not exactly been on my radar.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)It was a racist use of a.racist term
Being on the reservation is not good thats where your government put us acter they had tried every other method.crom smallpox to massacres to steal our lands and make us disappear
Its fucking racist and disgusting and i dont give a european fuck if it was directed at trump or not.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)old movie.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)June 29, 2014 The term dates back to the 19th century when white traders would swap "firewater" for Indian goods and "off the reservation" was "a lonely and dangerous place for an aboriginal American to be."
http://www.npr.org/series/219668222/code-switch-word-watch
"The acting commissioner of Indian affairs to-day received a telegram from Agent Roorke of the Klamath (Oregon) agency, dated July 6, in which he says: 'No Indians are off the reservation without authority. All my Indians are loyal and peaceable, and doing well." (Baltimore Sun, July 11, 1878)
"Secretary Hoke Smith...has requested of the Secretary of War the aid of the United States troops to arrest a band of Navajo Indians living off the reservation near American Valley, New Mexico, who have been killing cattle, etc." (Washington Post, May 23, 1894)
"Apaches off the reservation...killing deer and gathering wild fruits." (New York Times, Sept. 7, 1897)
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)over it ever. Just conceptually, it wouldn't occur to me, because being on the res is a good thing. But I guess if that is because you'd be in danger, it isn't good. Never had a reason to think about it. Gotta love people implying I am racist for never having to have to think about it. That's awesome.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)It implies that when you go "off the reservation" you are doing something shady like getting drunk and killing or stealing cattle, etc.
If you will, consider the use of the "Washington Redskins". Native Americans say it is offensive to them. They say the use of "Off the reservation" is rude. I'm not a Native American, but if they say either are offensive, who am I to disagree with them?
I can easily pick up on casual sexism, as well as casual homophobia. Just because someone is oblivious to it doesn't make it okay.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I had always assumed it was more about unity- leaving your roots (which is not necessarily a bad thing!) - but the bigger history was not something I ever had to consider. Thanks!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)we all mess up in some way like this. The only way to change it is to kindly discuss it with each other.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)context would naturally be the place I preferred us all to be. Never thought of it as being a swipe AT reservations, but never had the chance to give it deep thought. Not sure I have heard the phrase outside of old movies.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I had a conversation with someone recently who only just found out that "gypped" is a slur against the Romani.
Here's a fucked up one I just learned about - "Free, White, and 21".. At least that one didnt survive into the current zeitgeist.
I'm old enough to remember "Song of the South", too.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)love old movies. And there is always tons of archaic and disturbing stuff in old movies. Honestly, the little I have known about "the rez" have been from a couple people who spoke proudly of being from the rez, so I really always took it as a unity thing. But I don't think I have heard it in a good twenty years.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Thats why she should have me writing her speeches.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Thanks.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And I WISH I could say that about some fuckers here, LOL.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)THEY COULD USE MORE PEOPLE LIKE US!
(Although if I'm rigorously honest with myself, sometimes I am unpleasant. Especially when I haven't eaten)
Also, to the Hillary Campaign, I work cheap. Except the only person I know of here actually tied to the campaign probably doesn't like me since I made fun of him for thinking the name of my state's Jr. Senator is "Jeff Berkeley"
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)a world of good, LOL.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,367 posts)that instead of staying on the reservation, with the "good and obedient" population, this individual or group has "gone renegade" and needs to be dealt with.
Just as offensive as the "inside" point of view, no doubt.
But, yes, the term has been used in meetings at work, and I'm sure no hostility was intended, but ...
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)I think about several things I say now. Even about animals. I'm more sensitive than I used to be. Maybe old age or just maybe more compassion for life as I get older.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)runaway hero
(835 posts)Both sides are becoming absurd with this...
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Same meaning and nothing nefarious about the term despite your ridiculous false claims.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)in which he said it is NOT that
tularetom
(23,664 posts)She said she was sorry for make-um heap big boo boo. Kemosabe.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)seem innocuous but have deeply offensive origins that you were unaware of. I know I have been embarrassed by letting some things slip by.
That said, Hillary deserves to be reprimanded. It shows her need to examine her own awareness before she slings rocks and arrows at people like Bernie as being sexist and racist. For all the grief thrown at Bernie for using the word ghetto in its very personal and original sense to him.
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)No one in their right mind would ever use that phrase out in Lapwai.
This reservation is larger than some Eastern states and is populated by a tribe that never surrendered.
Most people know its a highly offensive statement. But just try and explain that to the clink of clannikans purveying it.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I do not care for it at all.
IADEMO2004
(5,560 posts)turbojesus
That's why Clinton was made an honorary member of the UKB because they're all racist and hate all the real indians.
UKB = United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians
Read more at http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2016/04/29/trump-has-gone-reservation-clinton-says-sanders-campaign-calls-clintons-comment
Aerows
(39,961 posts)says something to shore up Clinton.
Read the article instead of trying to emphasize what some anonymous person had to say.
IADEMO2004
(5,560 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)The article has the author's name attached to it, so it is easy to know whose work you are reading.
In any case, my point is that I read an article with an attributed author that said something entirely different. Furthermore, I agree with the author of the article. If asked, I wonder how wholehearted that endorsement would be today.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)communities to let them know he is with them.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)MFM008
(19,820 posts)when it involves her around here.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)This is mildly offensive at best. Like a fart in church. Let it pass and focus on the homily. There's some crazy shit happening in the pulpit.
George II
(67,782 posts)....shortly after that comment, and most people consider it over and done with.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)That most of her supporters (see what I did there) give her a pass on for some reason.
George II
(67,782 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)runaway hero
(835 posts)Who cares if it's a day old? Maybe that's not the point?
George II
(67,782 posts)....but she did, and everyone has already moved on.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)I'd like to apologize for using this phrase, with and without my American Indian clients, virtually every day of my professional life with them, hundreds of times, often ironically but not always, for years.
I expect about half of Indian Country will be lining up to join me.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)"I have a lot of experience dealing with women who sometimes get off the reservation in the way they behave and how they speak."
B Calm
(28,762 posts)ms liberty
(8,599 posts)Response to Karmadillo (Original post)
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My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)It may just be my experience, but I hear a lot of "I'm not wrong, I just didn't know it was racist, so no big deal" baby boomer generation non-apologies. That may suffice for the general population of ignoramuses, but a politician, someone who strives to be a leader of the United States, should know better.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)imagine2015
(2,054 posts)imagine2015
(2,054 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)but appealing to the Least Common Denominator among those who now call themselves Democrats.