why the insecurity?

I should say, that's ANOTHER demeaning statement.

Stay classy.

If Hillary wins the nom, there won't be a real Dem in the GE sorry to say, but thought you should know that.

Was a Real Democrat. Harry Truman was a Real Democrat. Jack Kennedy, LBJ and Jimmy Carter were Real Democrats.

The Former First Lady and her lubricious, prevaricating spouse are mere Usurpers...Neo-Cons with Rainbow trappings.

You seem to like authoritarianism though.

Second, the movement you are seeing is not a fad. Remember OWS? That started the conversation. Bernie proved that we can have a viable candidate who doesn't take corporate money. We are not going to give up. And if the Dem Party continues with your attitude, we will break off and form another party. Whether it is a third or fourth party depends on if the GOP breaks in two as well.

You want people to vote for the Democratic candidate? Give us someone to vote for. Keep supporting a centrist/corporatist and you alienate the independents and left wing of the party. Without us you won't win. What you don't get is that Hillary is extremely flawed in her policy stances and her record to run as a Democrat. Bernie is the one whose policies are that which the Dem Party traditionally holds. Everyone can get behind his policy stances of equality, single-payer health care, peace, breaking up the banks, so why not support him now? Then you won't have to demand anything of anyone.

But don't go supporting a candidate who is a bigger hawk than all candidates of both parties (NYT), who is DLC/Third Way and beholden to corporations and the health industry and then try to force people to vote for her when she stands for what we've been fighting against our whole lives and what the Dem Party used to fight against until Bill Clinton went along with the DLC and sold out the party.

If she's the nomiinee and loses the GE it will be the fault of everyone who shoved her down our throats rather than supporting the candidate who is known to be able to draw independents and even moderate Republicans to vote for the Dem candidate.

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Where it is against the tos to support third party candidates. Seriously look it up.

This is a place where people advocate voting for the Democrat.

till we have a firm nominee.

However, many have advocated for the democrat in the GE especially when people have openly stated they'll switch to trump or jill stein or write in Al gore or other such nonsense.

was the convention called early and no one told me?

so come Aug I might have to chose between DU & Hillary, or principles and supporting real progress .... tough choice, what will I chose?

about supporting either Sanders or Clinton or both. I don't need to wait for your permission. Is that what socialism is about? Well then, I don't want any.

legal meaning. And it does not meet the standard of requisite delegates. Onward we trudge.

Whether they like it or not.

Such silly thinking!

I don't give a crap what people say, I'm going to vote for who I want to vote for and I don't respond or care about cajoling. I think you're the same and that your thin skin is manufactured.

When people say you have to vote for the dem they are clearly talking GE. In your primary or caucus you should vote for whomever you want

Since Howard dean and John Kerry's nomination, occurred during Obama Clinton in 08, and is occurring now.

There is nothing particularly special for people to declare on du that they will vote for the democrat in the general election no matter who they support now and others should too

An answer to your question.

You come from a position that she is weak, and therefore will use any excuse to prop up your position.

She's not weak. If she were genuinely weak sanders would have beaten her.

I forgot, BSers don't do math.

Do you think they'll support Hillary over trump?

Has it as 25% Hillary rather than Trump. You've picked a poor time to defect (for you).

above and beyond the political. They can keep their vote private if they so choose. Asking people to take a loyalty pledge is beyond the pale.

Sam

By stating that democrats should vote for the democrat in the ge

Such drama

to take a loyalty pledge?

I also "talked" with someone yesterday who was under the impression she would have to take a loyalty pledge. I think this stuff is getting out of hand.

Sam

she's not really sure about Clinton but she sure is determined to make her the first female President at a great sacrifice.

That's okay with me, since I'm not emotionally or financially invested in HRC or her poor campaign.

...but she's not the only democrat, if she is one at all.

This is rich coming from a Bernie voter

...between a democrat and a Democrat? Apparently not...

And if so what is your proof of that

Incidentally this is a big D democratic supporting website. Look at the TOS if you don't believe me.

In Congress. Not liberal enough for the Purity Party apparently.

because most people are not blinded by irrational rage

I still can't believe our Party has leaders who think that way. It's frightening. And you folks all laugh about it. Repulsive to me, the entire Clinton Culture that would say that then laugh about it. Vile.

some of which can be found here

http://archive.hhs.gov/news/press/2000pres/00fsaids.html

all over this country despite gerrymandering. imho

I hate those wishy-washy people.

If expressing ones self is the most valuable thing then parties aren't worthwhile. But while expressing, control over what happens in the world is lost. It takes a majority to get anything done. To create a majority takes compromise and loyalty. Some would rather curse the world. Some would rather change it.

How many listen to those powerless expressions?

Progressives would not sit home and pout about one guy and allow the courts to be chosen by the GOP.

And you know that when you ASSUME you make an ass out of u and me

I think it is wrong to ask for money after you have lost unless you are asking for help to pay unpaid bills or something like that.

They have an interesting way of showing they want our votes

Never once will they ever consider that it wasn't a bright idea to have rammed her through to the general election, despite what so many of us, and so many of the polls, were saying.

It's still not too late...

think.

dont. Just have the mercy to quit meowing about it.

claiming to be a Democrat, I will call you what you are: privileged, arrogant, selfish, narcissistic and stupid.

LGBT rights, equal pay, healthcare and abortion rights are fucking toast if we let Republicans into office.

If your candidate not being strong enough to win a primary pisses you off badly enough that you're willing to be a part of throwing all of that away, all I can say is...

vote for all of our candidates up and down the ticket. Do you think you attitude helps them? I don't.

And Prince was religiously opposed to partisan politics. So it's a misuse of his image really. So very soon....

Vote for him. Kick ass. My comment is directed at the Bernie or Bust losers. If you aren't one, awesome. If you are, bye, Felicia.

And Prince invented the fucking side eye. Unless you're legal counsel for his estate giving me a cease and desist, I'll continue to use it wherever the fuck I think is appropriate, thanks.

Post what you like. I loved and respected Prince so I'd not do that to him but you and I are very different people.
I'm not a conservative. Never going to be, sorry.

If you aren't prioritizing climate change in our planet's 11th hour, then its you who are " privileged, arrogant, selfish, narcissistic and stupid."

You'll own the fact that you chose to throw humanity's last hope away. There's no more time left - Hillary’s tepid "incrementalism" on protecting the environment combined with her active support for notorious polluters like the fracking industry is as bad for us as climate change deniers.

on fracking. He was asked in a debate how we could possibly produce enough energy without fracking and he said first we would have to create alternatives and it would take a long time. Incrementalism.

Hillary supports more regulation of fracking. There is no real difference between Hillary and Bernie.

I guess we are fucking toast.

He's vowed to make it a top global priority. Hillary, not so much.

Hillary’s vowed to make sucking up to war criminal Netanyahu and servicing Israel's needs (war with Iran) a top priority .

http://forward.com/opinion/national/324013/how-i-would-rebuild-ties-to-israel-and-benjamin-neta/

Hillary supports a no fly zone and more boots on the ground in Syria = war with Russia. More toxification of the environment.

Hillary supports tweaking the TPP, an agreement guaranteed to produce enormous global pollution. Bernie is 100% against.

Can you live with yourself voting for this shit?

I have kids. I couldn't live with myself knowing I voted for that in our planet's 11th hour.

I'm already pivoting to local climate change activism. This election already dooms us.

Perhaps Bernie is better on the environment but Hillary is very strong.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate/

I can vote for her just fine. Ted Cruz wants to abolish the EPA. What kind of conscience doesn't try to stop that from happening?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-to-pick-up-endorsement-from-big-environmental-group_us_564099cfe4b0b24aee4acef1

Hillary's incrementalism dooms us as surely as Republican climate change deniers.

The EPA (and SCOTUS and whose the fucking UN ambassador etc) will be irrelevant within 5 years as the leading edge of severe weather and environmental events snowball.

Our very narrow window of opportunity to do anything on climate change is rapidly closing.

Its now or never.

Sorry, not going down as voting for the status quo.

You must be uniquely virtuous.

... would piss away his vote and let a fucking Nazi get close enough to steal it?

On Hillary side we have voting for the Iraq War, Libya, Syria, selling weapons to the Saudis who are as close to Nazi state as there is, etc.

... exceptionally pro-business, fake socialism, militarism, extortionist and incopetent foreign policy, narcissism, admiration for Benito Mussolini, and rampant dishonesty.

Oh, and lapel pins.

Problem is you can put Hillary in at least half of that category, if not even more.

That is why I want to keep my conscious clear and not vote for either.

Keep reading, keep noting the differences between Mrs. Clinton and everything the Republican Party has done and tried to do for the past twenty-five years.

Keep noticing the similarities between Benito Mussolini and Donald Trump, and how it's not what he's saying that's frightening Republicans, it's how he is saying it.

And keep your eye out for those endorsements of Hillary Clinton from the Ku Klux Klan. If they're so similar, Clinton and Trump, I'm sure they'll be rolling in any day, now, right?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/richmond-kkk-leader-endorses-donald-trump

You have a choice of 2 candidates in the fall, vote for whichever suits your interests.

I DO wish to hell they would just get along their merry way and stop telling us about it.

I say vote your conscience. I am voting mine. I know I can not and have not been able to criticize Bernie mildly without getting a hide and or have Bernie supporters attack me for expressing my opinion. Until recently we were not even safe to post our opinion in the Hillary group. What kind of democracy is that? Is it a crime to say I never liked him? Is it a crime to say I always thought he was the king of deception? That is how I feel and I bet anything someone will alert this post just for me expressing my opinion. It's all B.S. ( No pun intended)

the other day and all I did was quote Hillary Clinton's own words.

and only 3 are warranted. I mean, Y'all can and have said you won't vote for Hillary all the time right? I said it about Sanders and got a hide.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1870936

if you think this post is racist, discriminatory, smearing, etc. etc. before posting.

Thank you for acknowledging it exists.

You deserved those hides.

There are about 3 I deserve. But for examlpe.. " Bernie lied" should not be a hide. You guys say that about Hillary thread after tread
Which ones do you think I deserved? I sincerely want to see your way of thinking...

You do realize there are as many, if not more, Bernie Sanders supporters here who feel similarly aggrieved.

Bans and multiple hides.

Its pretty simple to keep ones nose clean here if you really care about civil discourse.

"Bernie lied" depends on context. Nothing exists in a vacuum. You may perceive that Bernie lied where others see through your hyper partisanship.

You are a hyper partisan. Own it but that comes with risk.

Shrug...

if y'all say Hillary lied... You know that is true and no there are NOT more Bernie supporters who have been shut out of their freedom of speech. It's near over though... We, like our candidate are still standing despite being called liar, thief, corrupt and worse.

contests (which are not over, and please vote for whomever you want in your primary) but we do support the party nominee in November. In 2008 when my candidate, Clinton, did not win the primaries, I supported and voted for the nominee, Obama, and was happy when he won.

Bernie Sanders will be supporting and voting for Hillary Clinton after the convention. You are invited to do so also.

But this is a free country, and you may vote for whomever you want in whatever election. If you are a Democrat, as Bernie Sanders has committed to being, you will vote for the party nominee, like Bernie Sanders has promised to do. And he is a man of his word. Like Hillary Clinton was in 2008 in supporter Barack Obama, the party nominee.

fully support Sanders.

It supports Sanders and doesn't trash anyone else.

I don't think that everyone has to say they will support the nominee now. But I do think that people who post on this cite and claim to be Democrats can refrain from coming out for Clinton, or whoever the nominee is, provided that they refrain from trashing a Democratic candidate. That's what both Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are doing.

What is disruptive is when people claim they will never vote for so and so because so and so is such and such. The primaries are the heats, and the winner of the heat is assumed to go on to the next round. You want to be loyal to your team, that's great. When its over, follow the team leader. Well, I think Sanders sets a good example now of getting the message out.

Simple, because she's not. Hillary will be the weakest link the Democrats have put forward yet. Better get used to President Trump.

You obviously are unaware of polls that show Hillary demolishing Trump- beating him as bad as she is beating Bernie.

because they don't exist. Show me a link to a national poll that shows Hillary clearly beating the tar out of Trump. I'll wait.

If he is stronger, he would be winning.

as per your claim. Are you having some trouble locating one?

how weak I see her. Terrible. Worst candidate in many cycles.

The act to not close the divide looks deliberate and perhaps the end game of the neo-liberal cooption of the Democratic party as their vehicle.

Looks to me that the intent is to expel the liberals and replace with the sane and moderate GOP.

Ugly.

We can finally speak out after being shut down and censored for so long. Give us some time to express how we feel.. It's been ugly for us for a long time.

Transparent.

though.

They are pushing back fiercely now though because they've been forced into a double take, far less of the party are of woodchuck orientation than they guessed and it is concerning to even their sketchy game theory math, that left flank must be cut off and made to heel.

They know that they have some they have in hand that will go back to supporting their natural ideological inclinations if that fringe and unrepresented tarnish comes off.

Now their game is about forcing enforcing loyalty with guilt, brow beating, rationalizations despite being ever faithless, fluent in doublespeak, and boldly showing their true nature with the "free stuff" meme along with the bizarre whitewash job on Iraq, Libya, perhaps especially regarding Honduras just because you have to go to such an authoritarian right wing place to go there.

The mask is 100% off now they will resort to holding things together with fear and endless spin as well as straight up fingers crossed between the back lies designed to support suspension of disbelief.

Woodchuck reference caused a chuckle.

The relation between factions within the Democratic Party approaches that of an abuser and a gas lighted, mentally abused spouse that should leave the marriage.

But a political party is not a marriage.

I don't intend to leave the Democratic Party because I have been a registered and voting Democrat since aged into vote in 1972.

Plus I do not being told or forced into a position and would rather remain as a burr under the saddle or ant at the picnic.

There is a not so fine line in eye of beholder between a chronic malcontent and a reformer from within.

The most leveraged and ethical position for an individual in politics is to reform and improve one's own political party.

I consider myself in occupied territory.

Hillary is appealing to the vast majority of democratic voters, unlike Bernie. That's why she's WINNING!

She can't win with just Democrats.

Independents are 43% of the electorate and she's crushed by Bernie support there.

Get out of your Hillary bubble and get educated.

He can not win with just independents