Condescendingly acting as Bernie was some sort of accessory.

That, my friends, is the very last time I will watch or listen to Hillary Clinton.

saying "That's not what she said" or "That was taken out of context."

Then you post the video, and they either never come back to respond or launch into some rant about how sexist or racist or whatever Sanders supporters are or "If she's so bad, why did she get so many votes?"

Didn't even make it to post #5 before I posted this, but oh look. Exhibit B.

and they should be treated as people who never participated in a democratic process because their minds never were and never will be open to supporting the winner of the democratic process. Socialism and democracy are contradictory things. Democratic socialism is by this example proven to be an oxymoron. Not only were they not able to gather a majority in the moderate to left party, they will not be able to gather a majority in the full spectrum at large and will come up with similar excuses and accusations.

Socialists are by nature anti-democratic, just like Castro.

Too many people with blinders on.

that sounds like a Stalin kind of socialist.

the fact that people in power are often blind to the revolutions growing in the streets. They are too isolated and feel protected by their wealth and power.

But there comes a time when the people in the streets have had it and the serfs attack the castle. And if the revolution starts and nothing is done to capitulate to the demands of the people, it can end in a bloody war.

I'm hoping we are educated enough in this country, and aware of history too, that we won't let the country divide that badly...the the oligarchs will realize they need to give a little or it could get bad enough they fear for their lives. Just like all the revolutions taking place in the middle east. Most of those dictators don't want to let go so look what happens. Millions of people die.

Do you want to see that happen here?

"Be a damn shame if something bad were to happen to your store, you had better hire us as protection."

I'd agree that it's more transparent than sly. I am against violence in social changes. I prefer non-violence.

So I prefer to pretend I can't hear socialists: Deaf to Socialism!

You've become quite the revolutionary.

I am a pacifist and I don't want to see anything like that happen in this country. But it's not up to me. It's up to the Oligarchs and our leaders and how they handle it.

I personally cannot threaten anyone. But I've seen enough revolution in other countries to know that the more tightly the top tries to control the money and power, the more often it leads to revolution from below. However the killing is usually started from the top out of fear, not the revolution. They get scared by the noise and lack of ability to control the masses, and start shooting. That's what happened with unions here and that's usually the way the wars start in the Arab spring countries.

Let's see if we are smart enough to avoid that. So far this is a peaceful revolution. But if it's ignored for too long, who can say what might happen.

I wonder at the effort appearing online to crush Sanders. It sounds like he still has a real chance.

Your solution to an economy that "isn't working" for you is to put a guy in office who will drive it into the ground at full speed?

His plan to roll back trade deals will cause massive price hikes disproportionately affecting the lower classes. It will also cause high unemployment. This is an accepted opinion held by the majority of everyone who know what they are talking about (respected economists, etc).

His plan to increase taxes and massively increase spending will cause huge economic problems, unemployment and worse.

The only good thing about Sanders is that he says things people want to hear. But part of being a steward, much like being a parent, is responsible leadership and not just caving in to every whim of those in your car. Bernie Sanders is the parent who wants his kids to love him so he lets them eat ice cream at every meal and doesn't make them brush their teeth or go to bed early. He tells them he will take them to disney world if they do what he says, and he doesn't hold them responsible whenever they mess up and cause a problem.

We all know what happens when you parent like this, and economists know what will happen if Bernie was able to legislate like this.

Of course, that's secondary to the FACT that as President, he can't legislate anything at all. He has been a dismal failure as legislator in his years in congress, and he would have less legislative power as President. Yet people think he will be somehow able to pass single payer health insurance, roll back trade deals and somehow make companies do business in the USA?

The man is a pandering idiot.

our side has respected economists who say another.

You've been watching Fox news or some other fear pandering programming...maybe even directly e-mailed to you by the Hillary campaign. That wouldn't surprise me. Let Brock run the e-mail campaign.

Why my goodness, you didn't even say he was going to take away medicare and ACA and leave everyone without health care. You haven't learned all your memes yet. You did get the one about raising all out taxes though. Good for you. Too bad it's mostly a lie.

And calling him a pandering idiot is really a no no on this forum, as he's still a democratic candidate in the race. That can get you a hide, but don't worry I won't turn you in. I don't do that, and I hate the whiny victim response. "Oh it's the juries...they are all Bernie people and they gang up on us and hide us for everything."

Bye now...I don't waste my time with people who can only push memes.

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The entire progressive platform since FDR is anti-democratic and has no place in the United States.

A right winger? You decide.

I like this one...
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/socialism

Alternatively, the workers could be in control of the means of production.

--imm

She hit practically every open sore with Hillary... NOT Really the list is far too long but a real solid taste can be "experienced" by watching Hillary... Doing herself no favors for the long term in a couple of videos. Just a couple, but there are many more. Yaneh hit the BIGGEST NAIL SQUARE ON THE HEAD With the TRUST Issue... But Did NOT ... Miss a beat by nailing her on the hindsight 20/20 bit after either having zero FORESIGHT AND/OR MAKING DECISIONS THAT IN HILLARY'S MIND WERE BETTER FOR "HER" FUTURE IN POLITICS e.g., RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT... a little further on up the road... as the song goes... WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN HILLARY'S PLAN... That is WHY she stayed with BIll despite all the serial PHILANDERING across the DECADES!

On the "Process" NOT much "Democratic" about it... e.g., NT Illinois, Az.!

YahNe lays it out...

you can't even offer evidence of any of that, much less prove it. Nothing but right-wing gossip and rumor-mongering repeated as if it were truth.

1. Hillary panders, changes positions based on political expedience and is dishonest.
2. Republicans are politically motivated.

1 and 2 are not mutually exclusive. Republicans did not hold a gun to Hillary's head and make her go out and lie about being under Bosnian sniper fire.

But on her Left, which given her corporate sporsorship, leaves a prett wide target. She's just a pro-choice Republican, falsely advertising herself as a Democrat.

falsely pretending to be a Democrat.

Thank You, YahNé for standing up to the slippery strategist type in spite of CC...

Trust...

Those that know HRC history on issues will always come back to the trust issue, you cannot TRUST her... this is why she avoids the facts and always pivots from them

No Hillary, he says "money", not unaccountable money. That is your waffle way of saying you have no intention of trying to get money out of politics. As long as someone's name is behind it, that's just fine with you. Don't try to compare yourself to him. You really cannot do it. You love money too much and you love the power it gives you.

and any other presidential primary candidate in history. If he thought it was so dishonest, why did he do it? Because he had to. He is still sincere about getting money out of politics and so is Clinton and every other democrat. Interesting double standard you have there. Or is it because the Sanders supporters say a special magical prayer around their money that makes it okay?

You did not hear her prevarication on getting only "unaccountable" money out of politics? That word "unnaccountable" is the very essence of what she is saying.

Of course Bernie had to spend money to run against her. BECAUSE MONEY STILL DRIVES POLITICS! And he had to spend a lot of it because he was an unknown when this race started, and she still has too many voters who vote for her because of name recognition and because she is a woman.

Until we kill Citizen's United and try to get all campaign funding on equal public footing, it will continue to drive politics. But at least Bernie refused to take money from big superpacs, which is mostly Hillary's source of funds. Why? Because he knows that when someone gives you money, you have an obligation to them, and Bernie wanted that obligation to go to us, the little people. Hillary is fine with her obligations going to Wall Street and all the big funders pumping money into her Superpacs. Her small doners are $33 million, compared to her big doners ($133 million).

The amount of money required to run a campaign today is absolutely sickening, but for now it's the only way to play in the game. Under Hillary that will not change, and I've not even heard her say that is her intention. She is always super careful of how she words things (as in this clip)...but she is lying through her teeth with what she very carefully does not say...she implies one thing and means another, and too many of her supporters buy everything she says, hook line and sinker.

That is how politics has been done in democracies for 2500 years. There is an exception for politicians with a safe constituency, like Louie Gohmert, but politicians keep their options open so they can build coalitions. A politician who leaves no ambiguity has to have a safe constituency or she is utterly ineffective at getting elected and getting things done.

Obama does the same thing. He was, you might recall, against same sex marriage in 2008. Yet here we are today with same sex marriage being a constitutional right throughout the United States.

Tony Montana: In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women.

Clinton's money is coming from corporations, SuperPacs, Wall Street and $353,000.00 a couple to have dinner with Hillary Clinton at the Clooney's for a fundraiser..... Get the difference? The money that is supporting Hillary Clinton campaign is able to buy the election.

The money from the voters who are supporting Bernie Sanders are at the mercy of the corporations, the Super Pacs, media, Wall Street, DNC.

The money in politics needs to be Public financing.

It is a miracle in itself that Bernie Sanders was and is able to raise the amount of money that he has been raising from the voters average small donations. It is truly David against Goliath.

the People.

Where did Hillary get hers: some from the People but more from the SuperPacs, the CEO's, the bundlers, and a shady deal with the DNC where they actually had to change Obama's rules and standards to keep her funded. Who does she represent? NOT THE PEOPLE.

by what she doesn't say. Just watch when she answers questions and is pushed for a direct answer.

The parts that she leaves out are the parts she really means, not the words coming out of her mouth.

in itself was so weak. because YahNe spoke
nothing but the truth.

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Thete is such a massive disconnect between what she's saying and what she actually does, it boggles my mind that anybody can take her seriously.

right at the heart of the issue. I can't think of anyone who could have done it better.

History and trust. Wouldn't you hate to be the Hillary supporter there? Trying to make a case out of words and thin air, you can't address history or real policy because there's no "there" there.

Sanders will not be the nominee, no matter how many times his supporters threaten not to vote for Hillary or come up with convoluted math equations or have fantasies about super delegates switching to the losing candidate.

How many of Hillary's supporters were heartbroken in 2008? After we got over the disappointment, most of us came to the conclusion that Obama would be a lot better than any Republican.

This year is not different. One candidate will win and one will lose. The losing side will go though a period of anger and grief. Hopefully after things calm down, they'll realize that Trump is unfit to be president, and that's not even taking into account his politics.

Please delete. You are embarrassing yourself, if that is possible.

Pick the narcissistic looney guy or the lying war monger --

I frankly don't care who some of you choose to vote for in the GE, but I would hope that people have the common sense to realize that a Democrat is not the same as a Republican.

HRC can be summed up in the directive she gave to her volunteers: ask for forgiveness, not permission. In other words, get away with everything you can gain by breaking the rules, and then if caught red-handed say oops, sorry about that and expect to be let off.

Now imagine what kind of President she would be. Next, imagine how impeachable she would be, not only because of the new impeachable things she would be sure to do given that attitude, but the baggage car of unused past impeachable material.

Even if she got nominated and then elected, she wouldn't last long. Less than a term. And the time she did have would be an ongoing disaster.

It would be hard to do worse in choosing a candidate if we tried. And that makes me wonder, what the heck is really going on? Because these people running the show may be stupid, but they are not that stupid. There is something more to this story.

The look on the Clinton crony's face when she got her ass handed to her was priceless. She knew she had zero defense other than standard Clinton talking points. Should be required viewing for all who vote in the Democratic primaries.

YahNe, you're my new hero!!

Loved it.