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And anticipated the hate mail she'd receive for the effort. MSNBC has bent over backwards to promote St Bernard. For Rachel to finally throw in the towel, tell the truth and call out BS for the super delegate nonsense was refreshing.

For the dreamers and schemers and propaganda meisters, it was a deflating yet defining moment. St Bernard is losing, was losing, has been losing since his massive loss in the South. Remember the South, the firewall that the St Bernard Brigade ridiculed, the states (think SC) that were no more important than Guam?

Guess what? Important.

Unlike Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton learned a thing or two from 2008. Voters and delegates regardless of geographical region 'are' crucial and important, as in every single one counts. Because the math can't be smudged, fudged or faked.

If St Bernard wants to play this out to the endpoint, that's his prerogative. However, pretending the outcome will be any different is--in Maddow's words--absolutely fantastical, and--in my words--utterly bogus.

What Sanders is doing now is terrible for the party.

She conceded when she was ahead in popular votes, when Obama did not have the delegates for nomination. And SHE personally nominated him!!

Now Sanders is way behind, and he's going to make a stink?!

I do not understand what has gotten into him. I always respected and admired him. Is this egomania? A Messiah complex? Greed? Jane? It's shocking to me.

in May 2008? When Hillary was allegedly graciously withdrawing from the campaign.

I continue to serve tea and biscuits under the bus.

Loves ya.

and had an insurmountable lead.

I did the math and that is 20%. What is the population on the West Coast? Just sayin'...

She has become the establishment.

... along with many others, became "the Establishment" the minute they refused to kiss Bernie's ass.

the corporatists want Clinton. You should know that by now. She owes them. They paid for her, her speeches, and other.
In other circles it's called bribery, in some it's campaign donations.

Everyone who doesn't kiss Bernie's ass is a bought-and-paid-for corporate shill. There couldn't possibly be any other explanation.

You should really practice recognizing sarcasm. Or is it?

They won't admit it, but you are. It was clear with Olbermann.

Oh, wait....you know who they are, right?

There couldn't be any other explanation for why a woman would support Hillary.

She can get stuff done Sanders could not: False, she will be treated and blocked the same way Obama has been.

She is more electable: False, polls show Sanders doing better against Republicans then she is.

What policies does Clinton support that causes her to have more people voting for her then Sanders?

I think having a woman president is a big part of it, sorry.

... are just supporting him because he has a penis. You know how "the guys" like to stick together. - see one of their own elected POTUS and all.

I can't think of any other reason why a man would vote for BS - because I think having a male president is a big part of it.

because I am sick and tired of the Washington elites not working for the people and acting like a bunch of prostitutes selling out their constituents to the highest bidder.

So you are a male, and you are supporting Bernie for reasons other than the fact that you have the same genitalia?

I'm surprised, because after all the posts I've seen saying that women HRC supporters are supporting her because she's a woman, I naturally assumed that the corollary was true and male BS supporters are supporting him because he is also a male.

He has lost

and the list is growing fast.

I guess it was around the same time that planned parenthood did, and (insert facts and information I don't like here) did.

when she was relevent.

Ca-ching. Dat cash register sure sings a sweet song, don't it?

Never.

It should explode during the Trump administration.

... when she refused to kiss Bernie's ass - just like everyone else who has refused to do so.

Maybe at this time next year, Rachel can do a show on Bernie, from the "Where are they now files". I suspect she'll be "relevant" long after Bernie-what's-his-name is a distant memory.

announced on her show that he wants to switch SD, i saw a definite change in her attitude

he said something to the effect of 'votes dont matter', which is when she started being less thrilled with him.

... and retrieved, and thrown under it again and then retrieved, more times than I can count.

Every time she said something positive about Bernie, she was an important progressive voice. And every time she said something positive about Hillary, she was an irrelevant hack who never had an ounce of integrity.

And so it has gone since the primary started ...

for having abortions and talk about income inequality instead, after trotting out his stock phrase on a woman's right to choose. She clearly was put off by that.

you're losing. It's such an ugly idea. I think it's because he is afraid to quit- and be tossed under the bus himself.

Drumpf beats Clinton in the general election. That is because independents, who make up clearly 1/3 of the electorate do not vote for her.

... since last April how Hillary will never be the nominee, how Bernie would wipe the floor with her at debates, how Bernie's army would wipe out any chance that HRC had.

Now she's the nominee - so it's time to move on to "Hillary will never win the GE".

From there I fully expect four years of "she'll never be re-elected" - followed by four years of "she's a lousy two-term president and nobody likes her".

I wonder where all these independents went during the primary. They don't seem to be voting for him. There have been many open and semi open contests and Hillary won more.

She is making too much $ to be embarrassed for herself... I am helping her out.

She used to matter.

Maybe Hillary will hire her since she's proved herself to be such a good little mouthpiece.

She doesn't matter, but you felt the need to post about her.

she doesn't deserve your embarrassment and she gets paid millions to spew this crap.

Bernie is in it until the END, Rachel! Tough shit!

billary's good friends.

Maddow shills daily for Hillary sometimes twice a day online.
She is a Shill.
You can send me hate mail too.

Spokesperson or something. Press secretary. Just a guess.

Integrity be damned.

false information or expressing approval at his attempt to subvert the will of the electorate.

just saying...

just saying.

UNDER THE BUS FOR HER!

...or a campaign worker?

It is so disappointing that people whose ideology is in line with Bernie's views don't support him. At least she could try to remain neutral.

He is seriously damaging what respect I have for him.

and im not being sarcastic. Either her or Keith Olbermann. perfect.

and I'm not being sarcastic either.

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I've never been more fired up over a candidate. HILLARY!!!

don't like the answer, can't make a argument, make accusations of sexism.

NAILED.

She said in 2008, Obama only had a 4% lead in pledged delegates, and needed SDs to get a majority, yet before the convenction Hillary conceded even though she had the majority of popular votes. She did not contest the convention -- she conceded well before the convention and stood firmly in support of Obama at the convention, uniting Democrats.

Rachel went on to point out that Hillary is 11% ahead of Sanders in pledged delegates.

And of course, Hillary has millions more in popular votes than Sanders.

Yet Sanders insists on a divisive contested convention unless Hillary attains the majority of unpledged -- even though 15% of total delegates are SDs. The only way a Dem candidate could get a majority of pledged delegates is by having an utter blowout in the primary. Obama didn't have that. He needed SDs to get a majority of total delegates. Yet Hillary conceded. As she should have. As anyone in Hillary's position should have. Sanders is nowhere near in as strong a position as Hillary was in 2008, yet he won't concede before the convention.

side of wealth like Clinton.

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Got anything you can point to that she said that was factually incorrect?

Rachel is a Hillary supporter and she's made that clear throughout this campaign. And because of that why wouldn't she call Bernie out? Isn't that what all Hillary supporters are doing? This isn't exactly anything to be surprised about and certainly not worthy of sending her any mail.

Simple and direct and spot on.

She's not going to nod in that earnest manner every time Jane tries to explain why it's so important to allow her husband's ambition...uh, I mean "vision"...to subvert the will of the voters.

And I also think she was putting bros...male and female, young and old...on notice that she's not going to call their vitriol "passion" or "enthusiasm" or anything other than what it is, irrational entitlement.

Bernie is behind in pledged delegates by 11% and is losing the popular vote by 3 million votes. Hillary was behind barack by 4% in pledged delegates, but ahead in the popular vote in 2008.

Hillary never chose to have the sour grapes argument like BS does and whine about superdelegates.
She knew the rules of the nomination process before running that year.

Good. I need to call the local company, remove MSNBC and add BBC

Pay no mind to the man behind the curtain.

If you've got a great candidate, what scares you?

decide to donate to his campaign. Fraud my ass. Hillary was worse in 08.

If not, what is the basis of your opinion?

and I just turned 4 days ago 70 years old...been watching Hil and Billy boy the whole time! Whimsey how old are you?

and I do not believe your age. Unless you are male. That would explain it. And I voted for Nader three times because he was a pure third party candidate espousing campaign finance reform. Unlike Obama who was a shape-shifter on money in politics and Sanders who is just a hypocrite. Apparently when men come up with variations on justification for accepting campaign contributions they are pure, but when women acknowledge the choices that have to be made to win they are evil. But I learned long ago men are much more comfortable in the locker room than anywhere else.

Oh, and as the only female to get through an elite math class in HS, a math major at U of Illinois who graduated in three years, and a law graduate, now retired attorney, I certainly have had my share of competing with men who denigrate smart women.

overgeneralizing and making unfounded assumptions...with little backup to support your questioning of another poster...

how about: i don't believe YOUR age or any of the other info/claims you posted, because hey...t's the internet...

I am actually 60, a math major and an attorney. And I have voted in every election since I was eligible. I remember in 1980 everyone in my law school I knew watching in dread the possibility of Reagan being elected. And he was horrible - mainly because he already had Alzheimer's (in my opinion) and was being directed by evil forces.

You also do not realize that the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 ( we called it ERTA and I may be off a year) was the single biggest regressive tax act ever enacted in my adult life. It reduced the top rate on unearned income from 70% to 50% and the top rate on earned income from 50% to something less. I do not remember specifically. Here I am, a year out of law school, after paying for undergraduate and law school myself with LOANS I paid off, and the first thing I get is a tax cut I did not need. I actually was just thrilled to not have to work 20-30 hours a week in addition to going to school and was more than happy to pay the taxes in effect when I graduated.

History means a great deal. Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.

Change needs to come incrementally, revolutions do not last. Hillary is a pragmatist, and at my age I understand that.

I am 64 years old...schooling included education (to teach) and social studies/economics/political science...have been in business in several forms since 1974...old-school Democrat who knows the evils of all the tax cuts and also realizes that the current leadership model for the Democratic Party is more closely related to the Reagan-era Republicans than it is to traditional Democratic Party principles...

a severe price to pay for having a couple of weak Presidential candidates....

and now the Party has lost control of Congress, lost a great number of governorships, and has become weak on the local level across most of the states...and the 2010 and 2014 elections are the evidence of how strong the Party is throughout the general population...

those who only realize recent history are doomed by their own myopic view...the long road is not considered, the wrong turns not acknowledged, the reason for the journey forgotten....

it is not 'pragmatic' to have ever-changing positions that are influenced by constantly changing 'specifics'....

we are from the same generation, but see things differently...like on a staircase, looking at only one or two steps at a time reveals little direction, forward or back...

I see little direction forward from the current Third Way/DNC leadership...just a maintenance of the status quo, which in the past 30 years has been to the detriment of the great deal of the American population that made up the Middle Class...

"One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. "Which road do I take?" she asked. "Where do you want to go?" was his response. "I don't know," Alice answered. "Then," said the cat, "it doesn't matter."
- Lewis Carroll

As a matter of fact he is always calling out your network for not discussing issues like climate change, or the middle class, or jobs leaving the country, or fracking. But instead all you do is talk about Donald Trump.



Wtf Rachel. You used to be amazing. Now you are tabloid trash.

at the expense of ...it doesn't matter who else. She's got hers

I stopped watching M$NBC after Schultz was fired. IT's just another Corporate propaganda machine now.

Haven't kept up with her since her transition to MSNBC. Sounds like she's angling for favors from the Clinton campaign.

There seems to be no end to low-post-count pro-Hillary posters these days. You guys are giving my ignore list a workout.

/bye.

When Rachel has something important to say she will not be silenced. Sorry.

I posted on the website, but only said that Bernie should stay in because it's not over yet.

She knows what's heading her way. But she said tonight, "It makes me stronger."

I used to like her a little, but she had such fake outrage and over the top holier than though drama I just considered her a let wing Orielly, but this election she has proved me wrong, she is just some cheap hack sell out.

Everyone that doesn't want to live in Trump's police state needs to call Bernie and his crew out!

I don’t see any big deal in any of this.

Rachel started out obviously liking Bernie a lot, gave him softball interviews, almost fawned on him. Yet now that she has to report the negatives about him and his campaign -- suddenly in all these peoples' eyes she's a supervillain?

That's just ridiculous.

Thanks!

It's hard. Like math.

MSNBC has never treated Bernie fairly, including Maddow. I've lost so much respect for her during this primary. I doubt I'll ever watch her again.

Making up shit

That she'll secure her job. That's all her Bernie hate amounts to. Job security.