Supposition derailed.

She's ahead by 11% now and there's no end in sight.

Rachel Maddow's point was well presented tonight. It gave me pause...

Rachel has become too full of herself for my taste. I used to think she was great ... but now she thinks that, and me, not so much.

I thought about it (since most of us don't recall the fine details of 2008) and came to the conclusion that perhaps Bernie should consider bowing out gracefully if he doesn't win, say, tonight. I realize the 'only Bernie' supporters (I support both candidates) are a bit more exuberant than Hillary's were in '08 and that Bernie feels obligated to carry that message to the Convention, but Rachel did make a good point that the standard is different this time. What is clear to most is that if it were the other way around, Bernie (only) supporters would be screaming in unison for Hillary to halt her campaign, something that is interesting to consider...

are NOT more exuberant. Just louder. My mother left the Democratic party over the superdelegate mess in 2008. DU seems to have collective amnesia about it (specifically Nevada) because their preferred candidate took the nomination. She put the party over her own ambitions (and she was MUCH closer in pledged delegates than Bernie is AND had also won the popular vote). I doubt very much that Bernie will do the same as he's only using the party.

If the situation was reversedshe would not contest the Sanders win and I would not support her doing so.

So claiming she did differently than Sanders is pure hogwash. nt

have stayed in all the way. Bernie is playing by the rules and you guys just don't like it.

she would contest the primary. No fuss.

2 months before the convention so saying otherwise is simply lying. We've yet to see if Bernie will do the graceful thing. I'm betting on no.

Exactly like Sanders. His supporters follow him so blindly.

Please share.

Supers need to be canned. But until they are, they will be a thorn.

purely democratic. As long as that is the case, a candidate will utilize the rules. So it goes.

In fact, he's losing badly in just about every metric.

This is just silly.

... and she still did right by the Democratic party. So we already had that example and, no, she was not "screaming contested" at the time.

He is significantly behind in delegates and votes. The last Dem to run on raising taxes was Mondale. He won ONE state.

And you proved my point! Lol.

It isn't a fantasy, I know damn well it ain't happening. The point is to think about ways and circumstances in which one may support super delegates in doing what they are designed for.

This is an illustration of the absurdity of super delegates.

At that point, we have a real example of how Hillary and her supporters dealt with that situation...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511886673#post18

He's the one doing it, not her.

they way we've had so admirably modeled for us

Lol

The long-standing rules don't change in the endgame because the Sanders camp doesn't like them.

They haven't been around that long, really. And they can be done away with moving forward. They should be.

Until that time, I'll call attention to their problems.

By the way, do you have a copy of the screen shot you threatened to use against me? Please post it here. Thanks.

Check yourself. I don't talk screen shots and think you are confused who you are taking to.

Oh wait.

and help Bernie win in the GE. Bernie is a dud and he's not a democrat. His supporters were "screaming" about how unfair SD's are, that is, until they realized he needs SD's to overturn the will of the people. Now they're all for it. What a joke.

She dropped out in June and at the convention she released all her delegates so that Obama could be nominated by acclamation. That's not the tune that Sanders is playing. Therefore, I doubt that he would show as much class.

anyone gets excited about a 75 years old guy .
I do not get it.

I don't see much in the way of charisma and he certainly doesn't work well with others, which explains why he has fewer Senate endorsements than Ted Cruz.

I'd happily support him if he were leading but I don't get any comforting vibes from him that others seem to get. I guess it's the spectacle of an Independent trying to 'reset the board' of politics or something.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
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Would be threatening to tear the party apart over undemocratic, corrupt, party elite, third way, DLC, closet Republican superdelegates stealing the nomination from the will of the people.

So how about we just agree that the SDs should follow the PDs?

we would indeed be having that conversation, as the vote would be much closer,

Since he wrote them off as unimportant, we aren't having that conversation.

If If If....But But But. Did she call for a contested convention in 2008?

Hillary is more like Gore or Kerry. These people are strong and accept reality.

Because it seems like maybe you don't.

is suggest that the candidate she was behind would be assassinated and she would then take the nomination.

It's true. Amazingly enough.

...because she has faced the situation you describe.

What she did was to fight as hard as she could while there were still primaries remaining, making every possible argument she could in order to possibly turn the tide. And then when the primaries were over and it was clear she would not win, she conceded.

Obama didn't run as far to the left as Sanders is. Nor did he openly run against the establishment. Not were his opponents claiming he would win only one state.