Long live the queen.

but yes. If I think back on all the crap I learned in High School, it's a wonder I can think at all. How about yourself?

kind of predates Game of Thrones.

I was making use of its phrasal template qualities today.

I know lots of people die. That's really all I know about the show.

Besides, Chelsea will most likely be FLOTUS. Bill will most likely be given a job that keeps him at arm's length.

I agree, the young royals seem promising. Harry had that odd Nazi uniform phase, but I think he's grown up.

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His mom has been Queen for like forever (my mom talks about playing with Princess Elizabeth paper dolls). Charles' reign will be so much shorter -- even if he lives a relatively normal lifespan.

Also, I'm so used to it being "The House of Windsor", but starting with Charles, it will be "The House of Windsor-Mountbatten"

She's got a Doctorate from Oxford -- not typically a moron school.

Yup....

I'd been told the finalists were NYU and Barnard (Columbia's sister school). She pulled a fakeout.

To tie this to Chelsea Clinton -- I'm glad Malia is not going to Stanford. I didn't want Condi Rice in charge of her education.

Grad school doesn't count. And neither Barack nor Michelle went to Harvard College. So Malia is not a legacy.

Goodness knows they wouldn't want her going to YALE.

I said elsewhere -- my insider let me down. I'd been told Barnard or NYU. Originally, I'd figured U Chicago or Northwestern.

Besides, it was a whole "she's the President's kid" thing.

Clinton was born in Little Rock, Arkansas, during her father's first term as governor. She attended public schools there until he was elected President and the family moved to Washington, D.C., where she began attending the private Sidwell Friends School. She received an undergraduate degree at Stanford University and later earned master's degrees from Oxford University and Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health and a Doctor of Philosophy in international relations from the University of Oxford in 2014.

I appreciate your bringing up that she's not a moron.

Let me say this to anyone -- Hillary supporter, Bernie supporter, whatever...

Barack Obama and Bill Clinton were born in families that were broken and dysfunctional. Extended family showed them the way. These men came from circumstances that were beyond humble to earn their way into the best undergraduate schools and the best law schools this nation offers. As a dad, how proud you must be to come from that life to be able to put your daughter(s) into one of the best private high schools in the nation (I'm familiar with Sidwell Friends -- I grew up in that part of the world) and then send them onto Ivy league schools.

or is it hate everything related to Clinton season here?

Chelsea has a PhD from Oxford. What do you have?

Show no animosity towards her at all.

But seriously, I would want to see her get involved more before she ran for the WH.

I just read that she was 36, and I thought of the timing possibilities.

On the other hand, Hillary could put her onto the Supreme Court, and she could be there for fifty years....

No Democracy was actually harmed in the making of this thread.

more and more often. This is just an observation of mine.

Alas, it is what it is.

..well OK, except making Hillary President for Life -- I wasn't kidding about that...and the FEMA camps - I was serious about that too.

OK.. not I'll really be serious. I grew up in Maryland. When Chelsea Clinton was born, I was blissfully unaware, as I was a high school kid following Amy Carter's struggles. My wife is distantly related to a White House policeman who was shot in the assassination attempt on Truman (so we got to see like two extra rooms on the White House tour -- and no, none of them were the Oval Office), and I'm somewhat of a Presidential library geek. Mostly it was just her age that struck me -- little Chelsea Clinton, the little girl I watched grow up in the 90s -- could be President in 2020.

The chance to start a multigenerational dynasty was just an afterthought

that both sides have been playing this game of creating dynasties. So it struck me a good point to note that.

Myself... it is to the point that I really am starting to not care about this much... really... beyond the anthropologist study of a foreign culture... and given some of the shit going on in this country... no that would not be out of the realm of possibility either, but that is for another day... perhaps another decade.

Incidentally I am slowly coming to a theory of what is driving all this shit, and it is not a nice theory. I hope to be wrong, but some of the markers are already there. On the funny side...

(And I cannot find the one of her crossing a dystopian future desert to save us all... should have saved it)



The theme is there, has been for a while.

We've actually been trying that for a while. Obviously, the Adams' were the first, although both were one-termers. Both were far more distinguished outside the White House. TR and FDR were cousins, as were FDR and Eleanor. I know some of the decedents ran for other offices, but not much came of it. Alice Roosevelt Longworth (TRs daughter) was never political, but was a character and a social fixture in DC until her death in 1980.

We wanted the Kennedys to be a dynasty, but it never came to be. JFK and Bobby were gunned down; Teddy doomed himself at Chappie, JFK Jr. died in the plane crash.

The Nixon-Eisenhower dynasty never came to be. David and Tricia never did anything in politics. Chuck Robb married Linda B Johnson, but his trajectory stalled at about 1980.

The Bushes are old money. Prescott Bush was a typical New England Republican of the day, and (as we now know) something of a Nazi admirer in the 30s. H.W. Bush was, in many ways, everything you'd want in a President on paper. He had a distinguished military career; his family had money, but he went out and made a bunch more in his own right; and he took an interest in Government. His son was a different story. He was not a successful businessman except for his stint running the Texas Rangers (and he traded A-Rod, so what does that tell you?), but then he got elected President. I think we're done with Bushes in the White House for a generation.

Hillary Rodham is from a political family. When she married Bill, she became the proverbial "great woman behind every great man." He became the youngest Governor in the history of Arkansas; lost the job; and then won it back. I think she always wanted to be President, and her running is not a sign that we will have an endless parade of Clintons. I think she's it.

The more dangerous trend that I see is what's going on with Trump. Not necessarily Trump himself, but the notion of the election as infotainment, and the prospect of people with no real political background at all being elected not on intellect or accomplishment, but simply on celebrity. Reagan may have been an actor, but he'd also been a two-term Governor of California prior to being elected President. Trump has no political background, and I suspect that if he were elected, he'd be ready to leave the job in frustration within 18 months.

It will be "fun."

...who think it's be fun to have him as President and saying "You're Fired" all the time.

People are pissed. And that is the heart of it

I don't disagree that there is anger. Anger is driving Sanders and Trump's candidacies (albeit from different camps). What I'm saying is that there is also this group that thinks it's be fun to have the Celebrity Apprentice guy as President.

Now we do disagree on Hillary being named President-for-life. I think that could be cool.

The next Fifty years will see conditions where that might happen. Also the breakup and a few other fun factors.

Sorry, but you monarchists (ironic or otherwise) make me sick.

If it's not raining, go outside. There was a beautiful view of Mars earlier.

Mostly I feel very old. I remember little Chelsea Clinton in the White House. In 4 years, she'll theoretically be old enough to be POTUS.

She had a better White House experience than Amy Carter. That's for sure.

But to your point...

This makes me feel really old!!!

I'm not quite old enough to be Chelsea's dad, but it's close. So yes -- her being 36 and theoretically old enough to run for President in 2020 makes me feel very old.

I think we can find someone better.

Doctorate from Oxford. Masters from Columbia. Undergrad at Stanford.

She probably knows her way around the White House pretty well. Most importantly, she might know how to sneak out -- which actually takes talent.

She can run as Veep this election.

Not that it would improve that ticket in my opinion.

I hink she would be best served to live as a homeless person for a few years; it would help her learn to care about money.

an episode of House of Cards. Instead of Francis and Claire, we can have Hillary and Chelsea!

like her mom did in Arkansas. I suspect that might give her some perspective.

Bill had nothing as a kid, so I imagine he's made sure she wanted for nothing. I'm a dad; I have girls; I get it.

The insanity march continues.

How 'bout a Kennedy?

"Aw geeze ...not this again"

One of them would have to pull a Cheney and quickly establish a fraudulent residence in another state, so that they could both get New York's electoral votes.

Here's a better plan: Clinton-Castro for two terms, then Chelsea runs as Castro's VP, then after eight years of that team the other Castro runs as Chelsea's VP. Unfortunately, that takes us only to 2040, and Charlotte won't yet have turned 35. We need to be working on a constitutional amendment so that she'll be eligible to be the second Castro's VP.

Could Malia Obama fill that gap?

Malia will turn 35 in 2033 and Sasha three years later, so either could join a Castro-Obama ticket in 2040.

Of course, that's assuming that Michelle doesn't want a turn. I think she's disclaimed any interest in running, in which case this timeline will work.

..which again proves they are great parents. Others would just tell the kid to pound sand.

I get the general idea that if Michelle doesn't see DC again, it will be too soon.

I think we're past that. She's old enough to be Vice President, as someone informed me unthread.

In all seriousness, if Hillary were to be elected, I think Chelsea will be imposed upon to be FLOTUS and perform the social functions. I'm guessing Bill will be named UN Ambassador. It would keep him in New York (read: out of Hillary's way), but keep him close enough to be quickly summoned if needed.

I could leave Malia out, but she's going to Harvard, and if she's anything like her parents, we'll really need her in about 24 years.

She is definitely her mother's daughter. She is very smart and well spoken. I wouldn't be surprised to see Chelsea as the standard bearer of the Democratic party in the future.

I just don't understand why some people think the children of politicians somehow deserve high positions without having to work for them. By 36, her father had lost a congressional election, been elected Arkansas Attorney General, and Governor of Arkansas: has Chelsea Clinton shown an interest in politics other than supporting her mother's campaign? Is she active on local issues? Has she worked on any causes aside from her position with the Clinton Foundation?

What the hell is wrong with DU today? Where do all these semi-monarchist wet fantasies come from?

Breathe. Go for a run. Do some yoga. See a national park. Help a boy scout cross a street.

Heee! You mean the post-impeachment period?

We really do have royalists here.

We could do it on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. It's make for great photos. Warren Buffett is a Dem - he could have Borsheims make a swell crown.

Royalism is funny. Go watch "Coming to America" or "Monty Python & the Holy Grail."

Lol

No more Clintons, please. Now, and then.