2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary to WV: WAIT! I DIDN'T MEAN I'LL PUT YOU OUT OF BUSINESS... I only meant I'd do it nicely...
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-apologizes-for-saying-shed-put-coal-out-of-business/This is the quintessential reason Hillary is not trusted. You cannot say on one day of your campaign that you'd put the coal industry "out of business" and then turn around the next day after you pissed off everyone this impacts and say you didn't mean it. EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT YOU SAID AND WHAT YOU MEANT!
"What I said was totally out of context from what I meant," Clinton said. "It was a misstatement, because what I was saying is that the way things are going now, we will continue to lose jobs."
Clinton said during a town hall on CNN in March that she is the "only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country."
"We're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business," she said. Clinton went on to say that, under her plan to shift the country away from fossil fuels, coal miners would not be forgotten.
As one of the commenters said:
k8conant
(3,030 posts)That would apply even to non-coal country in WV, like the Eastern Panhandle.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)But, HRC saying something should not really be taken very seriously until her actual actions back those words up.
Talk is very cheap.
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)- May 2, Williamson, WV, Mingo County Coal Country, "It was a misstatement" Hillary said.
>West Virginia's Primary is Tues. May 10.
- May 1, Bill Clinton confronted in Logan, WV, (Logan Co.) on Hillary's coal comments, 'when's she going to lay us all off?'
>Bill Clinton also said, '..Native American Communities That Have Nothing, Because They Don't Have Gambling.'
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)LonePirate
(13,426 posts)Those jobs are never coming back short of us discovering another use for coal (as a source for graphene, perhaps?). Everybody needs to replace the pandering with honest truth.
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)forgot just who she was talking to.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)But, instead, she says vastly different things to different groups. She is lying to someone with her pandering.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)elleng
(130,974 posts)Did Clinton propose anything like this?
INCENTIVIZE THE PRODUCTION OF CLEAN ENERGY, NOT FOSSIL FUELS.
End fossil fuel subsidies, and reinvest the savings in a long-term extension of the Production Tax Credit and Investment Tax Credit. These credits are critical to a healthy wind industry, and make rooftop solar installations affordable for homeowners and businesses. Yet Congress regularly lets the credits expire, leading to a boom-bust cycle of development that hurts job creation and investment.
SUPPORT RURAL CLEAN ENERGY FINANCE.
Launch a Clean Energy Finance Authority, and direct it to support community wind and solar projects. This should include working with rural electric cooperatives so they can affordably install renewable energy generation from investing in Clean Renewable Energy Bonds, to supporting partnerships so co-ops can take advantage of renewable energy tax credits.
Redouble USDAs Rural Energy for America Program, which provides grants and loan guarantees to agricultural producers and rural small businesses, to help purchase renewable energy systems and make energy efficiency improvements.
PROVIDE A STRONG MARKET FOR BIOFUELS.
Enact a long-term extension of the Biodiesel Tax Credit, including production incentives for second-generation biofuels, while investing in renewable fuel infrastructure to support biofuels and electric cars.
Maintain a strong market for biofuels, by directing the EPA to set annual volume targets that comply fully with the Renewable Fuel Standard. High targets drive new investments in biofuel innovation and infrastructure, creating jobs and tearing down barriers to using renewable fuels.
TRAIN WORKERS TO JOIN GROWING CLEAN ENERGY INDUSTRIES.
Create a new Clean Energy Jobs Corps to partner with communities to build clean energy infrastructure, retrofit buildings to be more energy efficient, and expand our fields and forests so they can absorb more greenhouse gases.
Partner with industry to help meet skills and employment needs in renewable energy production, construction, and manufacturing. Launch a national initiative for career and technical education, starting in high school, to develop a pipeline of workers for the new clean energy economy.
MODERNIZE OUR ELECTRIC GRID TO SUPPORT LOCALIZED, RENEWABLE ENERGY GENERATION.
Prioritize modernizing our electric grid, to support localized, renewable energy generation and better connect existing wind generation to the consumers who need it.
https://martinomalley.com/climate/iowa/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1434253
more: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511886943
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)She talks out of both sides of her mouth. She just says what she thinks will get her elected. Last fall she said she might compromise on choice, and she's wishy-washy on Social Security...she's looking to privatize it, and hand it over to Wall St. She simply can't be trusted.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Zynx
(21,328 posts)Or those working in fracking. Fuck 'em all in his world. Just shut all that stuff down.
"While stressing the need to move away from oil, gas and coal, Sanders plan states that if elected he would be fair to those working in the energy sector. Investing in solar, wind and other renewable sources, the proposal states, would create millions of jobs.
Pointing to legislation he has introduced in the Senate, Sanders argued for increasing low-income families access to solar energy, and providing benefits (extended unemployment, education, job training) for workers moving from a career in the oil fields, or coal mines, to the clean energy industry."
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/bernie-sanders-climate-plan_us_5664f5f6e4b079b2818f09a4
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Vinca
(50,278 posts)She should have asked the guy if he wanted his son to make a living working in the coal mines. After he said "no" - no miner wants their kid in the mines - she could have talked about transitioning to good jobs in wind and solar that paid the same or better and were safer and would never go away. Instead, she starts flipping like a fish on the dock to assure the guy he'll get to breath coal dust until his death (at an early age).
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)as a strategy. I mean, I can't believe they haven't realized that people have figured out it's a con.
pampango
(24,692 posts)areas.
republicans profess climate change is a hoax and are popular in coal- and oil-producing areas. Convenient how that works out.
Meldread
(4,213 posts)...as if her original statement was misplaced.
Hello, we're liberals here. We believe in climate change. Mining coal as well as burning coal is bad for the environment and our climate. We know this, we accept the science, and as a result: we want to put coal out of business. The sooner the better.
If anything, Bernie Sanders should be out there echoing that statement, and talking about how he would go even further. Not trying to exploit it. Attempting to exploit it either means that you are MOVING TO THE RIGHT or that you are engaging in demagoguery, and lying to the people. Both actions are unacceptable.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Not at all surprised to hear about this gaffe again.
musicblind
(4,484 posts)Hopefully those jobs will be replaced by clean energy.
But coal is becoming more and more obsolete.
It would be like a video store clerk asking a politician how they plan to help them keep their job.