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Question: Why did Hillary Work for Goldwater and NOT For Dr. Martin Luther King? (Original Post) amborin May 2016 OP
If we are going to bring up what a 17-year old did in 1964 RandySF May 2016 #1
Um... you already *have* been. So you can't really cry foul now, can you? Marr May 2016 #9
I'd say campaigning for Goldwater is worse than writing that. Ash_F May 2016 #16
Agreed NWCorona May 2016 #50
I guess if you hate teachers... scscholar May 2016 #56
Watch this Ash_F May 2016 #57
Or a 30 something year old in 1972 JaneyVee May 2016 #19
Why does Hillary get a pass because she was 17? nt NWCorona May 2016 #49
This has probably been explained over and over but here goes again. In 1964 Hillary Thinkingabout May 2016 #2
The Goldwater campaign was much worse then Trump's Bigotry is now FreakinDJ May 2016 #36
this is just sad JI7 May 2016 #3
+1 nt BreakfastClub May 2016 #13
Timelines always TM99 May 2016 #4
Both Clintons have this congenital aversion to the Truth. NewImproved Deal May 2016 #28
Is that kinda like posting fake quotes from illustrious role models? Bernardo de La Paz May 2016 #31
Gods, if only... TM99 May 2016 #47
Lets talk about that DEVELOPER Jane appointed to expand that College fun n serious May 2016 #5
You can't address the truth of the OP TM99 May 2016 #48
Do you guys think creating fake MLK quotes will help u win black voters? Cali_Democrat May 2016 #6
. baldguy May 2016 #33
Actually, I don't really give a shit what SheilaT May 2016 #7
👆 this. deathrind May 2016 #14
and how she talked about her then-choices tomm2thumbs May 2016 #15
thanks, tomm2thumbs! that's terrific that you produced all those videos! amborin May 2016 #18
Thank you SheilaT for those words about Reagan. Bluenorthwest May 2016 #45
But you don't mind Bernie's puffy socks May 2016 #54
Hey newbie you're doing great on those talking points! BuelahWitch May 2016 #73
She adored those Goldwater Girl outfits! Ino May 2016 #8
that's all very damning, thanks for posting this info! amborin May 2016 #22
Your post. sheshe2 May 2016 #10
K&R'd. snot May 2016 #11
don't care. Lil Missy May 2016 #12
Of course you don't care RobertEarl May 2016 #17
this really sums it up; amborin May 2016 #23
Yep RobertEarl May 2016 #24
Your ideological purity is admirable. It also is why Sanders' supporters have hurt his campaign onenote May 2016 #40
I see we're still in the anger phase? JaneyVee May 2016 #20
3 words: Rep. John Lewis JaneyVee May 2016 #21
A wise man once said... stone space May 2016 #25
Do you have a link ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #26
I googled the first line cannabis_flower May 2016 #59
No, it isn't...nt SidDithers May 2016 #63
Yes it is. cannabis_flower May 2016 #64
And precisely where ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #69
Ok cannabis_flower May 2016 #70
Perfectly understandable ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #72
Nice try. NanceGreggs May 2016 #67
Why are you posting ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #27
I believe the technical term is "making shit up"...nt SidDithers May 2016 #44
See my post above cannabis_flower May 2016 #61
SMH cannabis_flower May 2016 #60
I used Google ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #65
He didn't say it. He wrote it. cannabis_flower May 2016 #66
Because she's a right-winger at heart. It's in her DNA. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #29
Wasn't she a annavictorious May 2016 #30
Hillary will Dump anyone for political gain FreakinDJ May 2016 #32
One could come to the conclusion that working for Goldwater is what her meeting MLK moved her to do azurnoir May 2016 #34
This OP is why Sanders is losing the minority vote by large margins. nt LexVegas May 2016 #35
This,unreal.nt sufrommich May 2016 #43
Wow, Bernie supporters are getting desperate. Nonhlanhla May 2016 #37
Bring up the fact that she was 17 proves nothing! nt NWCorona May 2016 #53
I've been told here that going back to the 1970s shows a "desperation for material". Nye Bevan May 2016 #38
To be fair, Sanders was not an adult when he wrote that stuff. nt LexVegas May 2016 #41
same reason she worked for walmart and not ubions. tk2kewl May 2016 #39
Wow,Sanders supporters are making up MLK quotes now? sufrommich May 2016 #42
Question in return. NCTraveler May 2016 #46
While I agree that Hillary's work as a Republican is fair game NWCorona May 2016 #51
Because white lives matter? n/t RufusTFirefly May 2016 #52
Some polling data: jamese777 May 2016 #55
At that point it wasn't quite clear which way the political winds were blowing Fumesucker May 2016 #58
As Bernie was protesting and going to jail for civil rights. pdsimdars May 2016 #62
Good question! We know where Bernie stands... with MLK! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #68
Goldwater paid better? Vinca May 2016 #71

RandySF

(58,903 posts)
1. If we are going to bring up what a 17-year old did in 1964
Tue May 3, 2016, 12:57 AM
May 2016

I guess we can discuss what a what a 28-year old wrote in 1969.


Often "a child has an old bitch of a teacher (and there are many of them) or pehaps (sic) he simply is not interested in school and would rather be doing other thing (sic)," Sanders wrote in his column, "Cancer, Disease and Society," for an alternative publication called The Vermont Freeman.



https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=hillay+clinton+born&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=bernie+sanders+born

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. This has probably been explained over and over but here goes again. In 1964 Hillary
Tue May 3, 2016, 12:57 AM
May 2016

was a daughter of a strong Republican father, sometimes we are influenced by our fathers. She was also in high school, went to hear MLK speak, again she went with someone else.

Why do you ask?

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
36. The Goldwater campaign was much worse then Trump's Bigotry is now
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:04 AM
May 2016

I remember Goldwater's campaign well.

Rumor on the street - and yes at the time I lived in a White Influential Upper Middle Class neighborhood, was "Goldwater was going to ship them all back to Africa"

It wasn't just Anti-Civil Rights, it was push back against the 14th Amendment


Trying to explain it away as a daughter trying to please her father just simply doesn't apply

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
4. Timelines always
Tue May 3, 2016, 12:59 AM
May 2016

seem to trip up the Clinton's eventually.

Lies can't stand up to the truth of time.

 

NewImproved Deal

(534 posts)
28. Both Clintons have this congenital aversion to the Truth.
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:58 AM
May 2016

Time to retire the Clinton Dynasty--America has outgrown them...like the Bush Dynasty.

[link:|

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
5. Lets talk about that DEVELOPER Jane appointed to expand that College
Tue May 3, 2016, 01:00 AM
May 2016

What was their relationship? Lets talk shall we?

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
48. You can't address the truth of the OP
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:25 PM
May 2016

so you try a smear instead of Jane Sanders.

You are a testament to your kind, Clinton supporter. Bravo!

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
6. Do you guys think creating fake MLK quotes will help u win black voters?
Tue May 3, 2016, 01:07 AM
May 2016

Last edited Tue May 3, 2016, 02:17 AM - Edit history (1)

Man u guys are getting desperate.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
7. Actually, I don't really give a shit what
Tue May 3, 2016, 01:13 AM
May 2016

Hillary was doing in 1964.

But I do care a great deal what she was doing in 2002, as in voting for a war in Iraq.

And I care a great deal that she lied about coming under fire in Bosnia, or that she totally lied about the Reagans starting a dialogue about AIDS. Excuse me? Anyone who had any brain waves at all in the 1980s knew perfectly well that the Reagans were totally silent about AIDS. Exactly what sort of alternate universe does she live in?

And I'm even more concerned that she will happily compromise a woman's right to control her own body, will privatize Social Security, will continue the outsourcing of jobs, will happily preside over the complete and utter demise of the middle class in this country.

All of you who support her, who vote for her this fall, do not be surprised when any of those things come about.

Me? I'm 67 and I'll be grandfathered into Social Security, I'm reasonably certain. Meanwhile, unlike most people (many of whom earned vastly larger sums than I ever did) I'll be ok. If I were to zero out my Social Security, things would be quite tight, but I'd actually manage. How about you?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
45. Thank you SheilaT for those words about Reagan.
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:13 AM
May 2016

What alternative universe does she live in, and her supporters? I've never ever felt so unwanted in this Party.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
54. But you don't mind Bernie's
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:33 PM
May 2016

Votes for war -98 Iraq liberation, Somalia, Yugoslavia, Kosovo, vote for mass incarcerstion, vote to deregulate awall Street, votes against gun control,
His lies about global warming being the cause of terrorism.
His lie that Clinton laundered money
Lied about endorsements

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
73. Hey newbie you're doing great on those talking points!
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:55 PM
May 2016

Too bad there's no substance behind them. Didn't Dave send you all the memos?

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
17. Of course you don't care
Tue May 3, 2016, 01:51 AM
May 2016

There are a lot of things you don't care about.

I knew as a teenager that Goldwater was a lying pos and he was hateful. And I have always been a Democrat. H, on the other hand, did not and is hardly a real Democrat but she is using the party and her husband's name to make herself rich and powerful.

I do care because I am a Democrat. But you don't care.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
23. this really sums it up;
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:16 AM
May 2016

she's just using the party, for her own greed and quest for power. She's not a Democrat; she's the antithesis of one.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
24. Yep
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:27 AM
May 2016

And our problem is we have so many who "don't care"

Their "don't care" is part of why our democracy is so corrupted.

Just imagine if they did care?

onenote

(42,714 posts)
40. Your ideological purity is admirable. It also is why Sanders' supporters have hurt his campaign
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:50 AM
May 2016

You have always been a Democrat, so that makes you better than someone who hasn't always been a Democrat. Someone, I suppose, like Elizabeth Warren or Tulsi "As Democrats we should be representing the views of the people, not a small number of homosexual extremists" (a real quote, not a made up one) Gabbard.

It's not the best strategy for a political revolution to simultaneously try to convert people from their prior views while sending the message that they will be condemned for life for those prior views.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
26. Do you have a link ...
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:19 AM
May 2016

... to where MLK actually made this statement?

I've searched, and can't find one.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
64. Yes it is.
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:18 PM
May 2016

with the radical right. The "best man" at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade.

It was both unfortunate and disastrous that the Republican Party nominated Barry Goldwater as its candidate for President of the United States. In foreign policy Mr. Goldwater advocated a narrow nationalism, a crippling isolationism, and a trigger-happy attitude that could plunge the whole world into the dark abyss of annihilation. On social and economic issues, Mr. Goldwater represented an unrealistic conservatism that was totally out of touch with the realities of the twentieth century. The issue of poverty compelled the attention of all citizens of our country. Senator Goldwater had neither the concern nor the comprehension necessary to grapple with this problem of poverty in the fashion that the historical moment dictated.

On the urgent issue of civil rights, Senator Goldwater represented a philosophy that was morally indefensible and socially suicidal. While not himself a racist, Mr. Goldwater articulated a philosophy which gave aid and comfort to the racist. His candidacy and philosophy would serve as an umbrella under which extremists of all stripes would stand. In the light of these facts and because of my love for America, I had no alternative but to urge every Negro and white person of goodwill to vote against Mr. Goldwater and to withdraw support from any Republican candidate that did not publicly disassociate himself from Senator Goldwater and his philosophy.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
69. And precisely where ...
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:36 PM
May 2016

... is the quote that appears in the OP?

It's obviously NOT there, is it? MLK did NOT say, "If Hillary Clinton was so moved by meeting me ...," et cetera.

Blatant dishonesty - but I guess that's all some people have left.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
70. Ok
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:46 PM
May 2016

I was posting from my mobile device and it doesn't show which post you were responding too. I had to go back to Standard Mode on my computer to see you were responding to the OP. I thought anyone would know the OP quote was fake and you were responding to the second meme that had Hillary and MLK. There is no way MLK would make an actual quote about Hillary, she was a nobody at the time. The quote on the second meme is real. The interface on DU mobile is crappy and causes a lot of confusion sometime.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
72. Perfectly understandable ...
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:53 PM
May 2016

... problem with certain devices.

However, it is not acceptable to put quotation marks around a statement that was never uttered, and then attribute it to someone who never said it.

"I thought anyone would know the OP quote was fake ...". I DID know it was fake - which is why I pointed out how dishonest it is to place it in quotation marks, which denote a verbatim statement.



NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
67. Nice try.
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:31 PM
May 2016

The paragraph from his autobiography does NOT contain the quote used in the OP. He talks about Goldwater - says nothing about Hillary.

It is blatantly dishonest to put a statement in quotes and attribute it to someone who NEVER made that statement.

But given the circumstances, it's exactly the kind of dishonesty I've come to expect from a certain contingent here.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
27. Why are you posting ...
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:39 AM
May 2016

... a statement in quotes, and attributing it to someone who never made that statement?

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
65. I used Google ...
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:27 PM
May 2016

... to search for the quote that is being attributed to Dr. King in the OP.

I couldn't find it - because it doesn't exist. MLK never made the statement he is "quoted" as saying here.

 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
29. Because she's a right-winger at heart. It's in her DNA.
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:02 AM
May 2016

She's learned to shape-shift, and manipulate groups for political gain. She's truly is the worst kind of human being.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
30. Wasn't she a
Tue May 3, 2016, 06:20 AM
May 2016

a sophomore in high school at the time? If those are your metrics, maybe we should look at the candidate's SAT scores as well.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
37. Wow, Bernie supporters are getting desperate.
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:04 AM
May 2016

Someone who is 17 does not even have a fully developed brain yet. Hillary grew up on a Republican household, and became a Democrat in college, where she worked closely with other campus leaders to increase diversity on campus. But we're now supposed to believe that there is some kind of rejection of MLK's principles involved in her 17 year old unsophisticated self not yet being a Democrat?

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
39. same reason she worked for walmart and not ubions.
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:44 AM
May 2016

same reason she works for wall street and not main street.

she likes to be where the money is

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
46. Question in return.
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:17 AM
May 2016

How did Sanders go from Marching with MLK, to writing sexual rape fantasies that would make Trump blush?

Nice to see MLK has endorsed Sanders.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
51. While I agree that Hillary's work as a Republican is fair game
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:19 PM
May 2016

I really don't like that MLK is being dragged into this.

jamese777

(546 posts)
55. Some polling data:
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:40 PM
May 2016

In the New York Primary, exit polls showed Sanders and Clinton equally splitting the white vote while Clinton got 75% of the black vote and 64% of the Latino vote.
http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/ny/dem

"...neither Cruz nor Trump does nearly as well with women as does Hillary Clinton, the likely Democratic nominee. In the last week of April, Clinton had a +2 net favorable rating among women, while Cruz had a -26 and Trump a whopping -45 net favorable. The disparity in views of Clinton and Trump among women is also interesting, given that Trump said last week that "women don't like Hillary." They certainly like her a lot more than they like Trump."
http://www.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/191306/cruz-trump-carly-fiorina-woman-card.aspx?g_source=Polling%20Matters&g_medium=lead&g_campaign=tiles

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
58. At that point it wasn't quite clear which way the political winds were blowing
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:49 PM
May 2016

The winds are often shifting, what's a poor young weather vane to do? Do you think it's easy to figure out where everyone is going so you can run up to the front and holler "follow me!"?

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