Yeah, that was before Bernie needed them to win. Hypocrisy, thy name is Bernie.

Was believing the party would create and maintain a level playing field for the primaries. As we have seen, the DNC is not playing fair and if DNC could they would make more new rules to hurt Bernie.

All for some gross fucking profit for a few.

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It is ashame how the DWS/DNC has behaved during this primary.

All of these hypocrites on here telling us that those are the rules, now he says ok, let's follow your fucked up rules, they cry foul. They have basically become this kid...

to make his case to any superdelegates. In fact, Hillary could take the few HE has.

Anyway, as far as I know, the superdelegates have never been responsible for nominating someone who lost the pledged delegate battle. Clinton will likely end up with close to 2200 pledged delegates, while Sanders will likely finish with fewer than 1900.

Your mama could tell you that if you would just listen.

Do you really want to go there?

And mine never did no loggin. But you went there with your user name and then you get all pissy when someone uses your moniker to make a point?

My gawd, you are not even funny. You should probably get a new DU name?

Bernie will convince the Supers to save democracy. One small vote for a super, one giant leap for democracy.

And I'm pissy? Project much?

Plus your tears will be tasty when Sanders loses.

If you had listened to your Mama and quit saying to everyone else that their Mama had been loggin via your user name, you might have turned out to be a nice person. I guess it's too late for that.

The thing about Bernie is that he has already won to a large degree and may yet win the election. His words have rung true in the hearts of real progressives and people who really care about the future. He cam from nowhere and raised millions of dollars from millions of people who care.

AND IT AIN'T OVER YET.

I guess the tears I have shed over the sad state of affairs have already been tasty to you. There being many who thrive on the tears of others, and given your claim about tasty tears, I can only put you down as one who relishes the tears of others. That's what is wrong with this world.... people who relish in the tears of others.

... that there are "new rules" that Bernie should be following?

"Bernie is going to get the super delegates to help him win the nomination."

I doubt there will be any help coming from that quarter.

Bernie is a hypocrite - and his complete about-face on the SDs is just another example.

"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party."

By his own words, Bernie admitted he was a hypocrite the minute he asked to run as a Democrat. So I never expected anything less where the SDs were concerned, when he realized they were his only (albeit futile) hope.

and no he will not be getting super delegates to help him change the results.

It's one small step for supers and one giant leap for America.

If they want to be cool all they have to do is vote for Bernie at the convention. Otherwise they will be voting for Trump.

not concerning FOIA or anything

considering oneself above socially constructed or established rules is one criterion of sociopathy

... is it out of the realm of possibility to think Bernie might be paying these folks to post on Facebook?

Here's some from Howard Dean's page:

Perhaps that is why he is feeling the blow-back for taking the $. That has nothing to due with Bernie. Has to do with Howard.

I am of the opinion that they should go away, but since they're here, the melange of contradictory theories as to how they should work has been quite fascinating. I'm hearing they should go with the popular vote of their state, until that applies to Grijalva and others whose states went with Bernie. Then I hear they should go proportionately with the states, but doesn't that just make them more pledged delegates? Surely that was not the intention behind them. And, lately, I hear some of them are getting threatened with having their tongues cut out.

Super delegates are anti-democratic. They should go away. Everyone arguing over what is the correct magical, mystical formula as to how they should work is simply putting a bandaid on the fact that they shouldn't be part of the process at all. But so long as they are part of the process, those who are given the role of super delegate are given those roles not to support the will of the voter but what is best for the party.

In this sea of arguments for open primaries and independents voting, one more proof of what super delegates actually are is the fact that there are, as far as I can see, no super delegates who are not Democrats. They wouldn't be, because they have nothing to do with the will of the voter.

Argue as you will that super delegates are un-democratic. I would agree with you, but then why try to justify all these attempts to fit a square peg in a round hole?

Oh, and can one get timed out for calling Howard Dean a sellout? I've heard whispers.

you go with the army you have- and to analogize it a bit: We will just have to work within the rules we all agreed to. Bernie will, I suspect, use every one to his advantage whether he agrees with it or not, if he thinks it will propel him to the victory needed to make the changes he wants to and the changes she never will. He shouldn't be hobbled by being held to a different standard than that to which we all agreed. That is just speculation on my part, but I'm pretty sure it isn't far off the money.

... it makes him a politician. The goal is, after all, to win.

And that's fine, but supporters of both candidates here are the very antithesis of the low-information voter. We shouldn't have to pretend that this whole super delegate game is anything other than an expressed tool for establishment candidates. I'm not offended if you were to say, "Bernie and Hillary are going to manipulate that system for all it's worth." What perplexes me is the outrage about why super delegates are supposed to vote this way or supposed to vote that, or that they are in any way supposed to be catering to the will of the people. Their very existence flies in the face of the will of the people. I think, for the sake of their own political hides or in the name of fairness, many super delegates in Congress (who are super delegates by default) have found ways to go by the will of the people on their own, but that has resulted in a pastiche of what the will of the people actually is. Is it national popular vote, national pledged delegates thus far, state popular vote, state delegates winner-takes-all, state delegates proportional, specific districts, counties, remote villages? When there's no rhyme nor reason, just admit it's a game and we all want to win it. It sounds like you're doing exact that and so am I, but the outrage brigade over something that was created decades ago for the very purpose of bolstering the establishment is just disingenuous to me. As a (mostly) Hillary supporter, I can say with conviction that her dominance of the supers does not change my negative opinion of them one bit, just as I would have been just as annoyed (and would have abandoned her) had she sauntered over to the Vatican during a national election.

go, which is an eternity in politics. Let's just first let the rest of the 50 states, plus DC and the remaining territories have their voices heard by finishing the elections...

I have to wonder how many of the folks asking to let every state vote were the same folks here in '08 telling Hillary to drop out because she was behind. I wonder if anyone's ever cross referenced that.

Either way, I'm all for letting everyone vote and finishing out the states. I totally see the argument for wrapping it up early to have extra time to build a case against the Republicans. I see an even stronger argument for wrapping it up after the votes but before the convention because that dissension may show blood in the water for the Democrats as a whole. And, frankly, I think Sanders is just circling the drain at this point, but the process is the process. If he wants to wait till the convention to fail, who is anyone to stop him. Heck, maybe he'll win and I'll vote for him if he does, but it won't be without trepidation. There are fundamental issues I disagree with both candidates on. I am against the death penalty, which puts me at odds with Hillary. I am worried about how Bernie's anti-corporate policies with drag small businesses down with the tide. But the reality is, I'm a small business owner and I doubt I'm going to be sentenced to death anytime soon so it's an imperative that I protect my interests. That said, I also want to protect my marriage and I believe both of them will do that. Hillary may have taken just this side of forever to admit she was pro gay marriage, but that's secondary to me in terms of what she will actually do with my marriage once she gets there.

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And his current support in the senate, they have simply taken their cue from Sanders/Weaver.

Whatever rules his campaign wants the super delegates to operate by this week, I'm sure their support is a combination of cumulative factors. Sure, if they think Bernie is stronger in the GE, that may help him, but working against him is that the supers all know that he's untested and, thus far, ignored. Most of what Trump can hit Hillary with is old news (hey, I think I hear Ron Brown's plane whizzing past GDP now). But what he's going to hit Bernie with is going to play terribly with the blue dogs, Trump-hating Republicans, and a large swath of independents. My sense is if he gets in, you will see red-baiting the likes of which you haven't seen since McCarthy. And, yes, the way that Bernie's supporters are hammering the supers probably isn't helping. Yes, they're smart enough on a conscious level to know that it's not Bernie doing it but we all have our more primal side and I'm sure a lot of these people are thinking, "look at all the negativity these people are spamming my Facebook page with!" On some level, that will affect their opinion of the candidate.

I think Bernie has a slim chance of getting the supers so unless he turns out a definitive lead in the pledged delegate count, I believe that finch may have flown.

That's fucking hilarious. You're delusional beyond belief.

And people actually liked this post? This utter stinking heap of garbage? Wow.

You thought H had won a year ago and yet, tonight, she is still be held back from the throne.

"You're delusional beyond belief. " Comment is taken by me to be a mere projection by you of the fear you have that now overwhelms you.

I will try to help you overcome that state, but first you need to become calm and reflect that your posting should be deleted because it is rude, disruptive, over the top, and really makes you appear not quite all-together.

I could go on but it's late and my internal thesaurus is giving out.

But yeah, Bernie sure knows how to do the Electric Slide.

Boogie Woogie Woogie.

You should either describe exactly the new rule Bernie is asking for or just be known as someone who should be totally ignored.

Your choice. As if you even cared.

We'll not get a reply to that simple question from any of them.

Now he is attempting to subvert the will of the voters. Second one might be within the rules but I'm happy as could be it doesn't have to be my battle cry.

What is happening is that Bernie is showing his true colors and his disrespect for the voters by trying to get the superdelegates to override the will of the people, rather than stepping aside gracefully like Hillary did in 2008.

Bernie's not going to get the nomination with this stunt. What's at stake is his reputation.

I mean, it's one thing to use the rules to maximum advantage.

It's another to bemoan how undemocratic the rules are and deride the other side for it, and then suddenly he's all about overturning the will of the party.... Well, that's hypocrisy.

And see very clearly that it comes from the DNC. In 2008 there were 27 debates. This year there have been less than half that many and half of those only grudgingly approved by the DNC,

Furthermore the rules from the DNC have been anti-democratic and biased in favor of one candidate.

But the long established rules about there being a super majority of pledged candidates before one can be nominated are being followed by the Bernie camp, whereas now the H camp is demanding a simple majority for her. Hypocrisy indeed!!

The fact that so many super delegates committed to H before the first vote by anyone else, is pure oligarchy and anti-democratic at the core. I guess you are all in favor of that corruption?

Damn, this makes me sick.

The rules allowed me to.

(of course in that case they didn't really, but it is her reasoning that if the rules allow it, OK)

I bet she's been on the phone a lot trying to make sure they still want her.

He will not convince super delegates to switch unless the math changes.
They will not ignore the will of the Democratic Party.

Their entire existence is a mere formality since 99.9% of the time they vote for whoever has the most pledged delegates. That isn't a rule, it's just a recognition of reality and history.
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Bernie is going to get the super delegates to help him win the nomination.