If the weather turns poor.

The home team is not given the chance to bat when they are up in the bottom of the 9th, the game is over at that point. We are not there yet, but as it becomes closer and closer to impossible for Senator Sanders to win, we are getting closer and closer to the bottom of the 9th.

I think the OP is trolling with an example he knows is not true in order to support Bernie. Support Bernie.

There is no limit to the number of runs a team can score in a single inning. There are a finite number of delegates left.

Anyway, there is no way Sanders gets 65% of the delegates tonight, so the hill gets steeper. Good luck in the 9th inning.

yes Clinton is the likely winner....But stranger things have happened.


http://www.hardballtimes.com/tht-live/10-year-anniversary-of-baseballs-greatest-comeback/
10-year anniversary of baseball’s greatest comeback
AUGUST 5, 2011 BY CHRIS JAFFE 7

Ten years ago today, major league baseball witnessed its greatest comeback in history as the Cleveland Indians rallied from a 12-run deficit to defeat the Seattle Mariners 15-14 in 11 innings.

On that day, the Mariners scored four in the top of the second, and piled on eight more runs next inning. After the Indians plated two in a minor rally, the Mariners scored another pair of their own in the top of the fifth. With the game halfway to completion, the Indians stood a woeful 12 runs back, 14-2.

Around this point, the Indians began yanking their starters. First to go was Ellis Burks, shortly followed by Roberto Alomar and Travis Fryman. Why bother risking injury to some of their stars? The game was over, right? Apparently Seattle felt the same way and benched Ichiro Suzuki, Edgar Martinez and John Olerud. At the seventh-inning stretch, the score was still 14-2 with the scrubs playing garbage time.

A little later Then one of those scrubs, Russell Branyan, led off the bottom of the seventh with a solo shot. 14-3....


.....The impossible had happened. The all-world team with the superlative bullpen had just blown the staggering lead. It was all knotted up, 14-14.

But the game wasn’t over. Though Vizquel tripled, the Indians couldn’t bring him home, and the game went into extra innings. In the 10th inning, both sides staged a mini-rally with two outs, but both fell short.

In the 11th, the Indians went to work again. With one out, Lofton singled to center. Vizquel followed with his fourth hit of the game, another single that put Lofton on third. Now Cabrera came to the plate, and blasted a first-pitch single that scored Lofton. Now it was over, and the Indians had won, 15-14—exactly 10 years ago today.

He was a great basketball player too at the U of Az.

So, I don't know when that all changed but from my perspective, in Little League, there was definitely a mercy rule.

And there is that option but I wonder if it was changed to 5 runs per inning now. We had some 30 -4 point games recently.

Regardless I'm not trying to argue with you on something so pointless as while I agree with the op it could have been made better.

If one team was up by enough, they wouldn't continue the game past something or another.

Bad analogy IMO due to that.

I agree, bad analogy... particularly when talking about trying to bring supporters back together in a fractured primary. I see why some are making the demand to call things early, in some ways it makes sense (again, mending the fracture) but, though I'm supporting Clinton, Bernie deserves his time to do what he's gonna do. It's called a democracy... we should treat it that way.

I don't think he has a realistic chance at this point, but people I respect (such as Robert Reich) do. It's a reasonable position to take and if he thinks he is still in it, he has every right in the world to stay in it. In fact, if this is his belief, he has a responsibility to the people who have entrusted him with their votes and money to stay in it until he does not believe he has a chance, whenever that is.

It's ridiculous really. For me it comes do to keeping a Republican out of the White House. That's all I really care about and that's really only because of the ages of some of our Supreme Court justices. The people that think Hillary is downright evil don't seem to be thinking about true evil--a right wing stacked Supreme Court that effects our lives for like 30 years instead of 4-8 since the President doesn't make policy.

Except on the republican side where the act worse than any wee child I have known!

Some Democrats, on both sides of the primary, are acting very childish.

when the primaries are mathematically over,right?

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

It's painful to watch excitement for an already certain outcome.

about the next game.

That's not the point

once it becomes clear it's a pasting.

It's not as if we dismantle all remaining primaries. But the ultimate outcome is a forgone conclusion.

Which attitude she and her campaign and supporters choose will determine how many fans show to root for the home team in the Series.

She's had a dozen avenues of attack of which she's never taken advantage.

And she's pretty much not even bothering to compete in the remaining states. If anything Sanders should focus on losing gracefully -- thus far he's doing a piss-poor job at that.

We have a lot of people in this country and the VAST majority of them don't even know that this website exists. Well over 99%...

The only arguments I see from the Hill Shills these days are either vote totals ("we're ahead in the primaries so our candidate is just fine), or content-free ("LOL" "+1000" etc).

It's pretty obvious that if the Democratic Party puts her up in the GE, there will be problems. Her positions don't attract independents (see the polls). She faces potentially career-ending legal challenges.

But none of that matters to the shills - only the coronation -er- nomination matters. If we lose the GE, too bad.

If the Hill Shills were actually confident, they would simply watch and enjoy the primaries. Instead we see them desperately trying to short-circuit the process, and screw the voters in CA, OR, and elsewhere. You can smell the fear.

I guess it's hard to put thoughts on screen when you're paralyzed with worry about what happens after the nomination. It won't be pretty.

Yes, I've been a member for a long time, and yes I don't post a lot.

But I'm fed up with being told I'm a shill who supports Clinton at the expense of the presidency. I support her *because* I think she's the better candidate for the GE. Stop insulting me and telling me I'm not a real Democrat (upper or lower case "d&quot , that I'm a war-monger and a corporatist. We disagree about which candidate is stronger, that's it.

What do you think will happen if Bernie is made the Democratic nominee? When the full force of the Koch/RNC/Fox fueled negative echo chamber is finally turned on Bernie his poll numbers will drop in a big hurry. You'll look back fondly on the "media blackout" days.

So can we drop the implications that I'm just some kind of bought-off or besotted idiot?

Why would we do that? Hillary said it on camera that we have to see the potential in Iraq for business opportunities she talked about the same thing with Sid about Libya. If that is what you support then there really is no hope for you. There simply are lines that must not be crossed and Hillary has crossed most of them.

inherently evil these days? I have to wonder WTF SBS's plan was there. And his plans for after Assad;s ousting, which he encouraged.

Empire is expensive; though it does reap short-term profits for our corporate warlords and their government cronies.

We meddle in the middle east like it's our sandbox; then we're perpetually surprised to discover that it's full of cat shit.

Playboy interview in 2013, look it up.

Not that I like Assad, but like every asshole over there, if we take him out, he gets replaced with something worse. We seem incapable of learning.

switching to solar, wave and wind power is going to be the thing that gets rid of the despots in the end.

And we get on with our lives!

soon as possible. Solar has just gotten a hell of a lot cheaper, and new advances are coming down the pike. I feel like it is finally time we can invest heavily. And I think those blown apart mountains in coal country might be a good place to start.

and employ the locals!!

Your post ignores the facts that make Clinton weaker than Bernie in the GE, and worse, make her an unnecessary risk.

I know you've read the posts here documenting Hillary's lies, war mongering, and the ongoing FBi investigation. If you promote her still, then you're either a shill or a dupe.

You tell us...shill or dupe?

Again, we disagree as to who is the stronger candidate. I liked both of them, I weighed their pros and cons, and cast an informed vote for Hillary. I waited several hours in line to do so.

But thanks, I enjoy being called stupid or immoral. Again.

Good luck with your desperation plan of getting rational people to overturn the will of American voters.

It was 50/50

Now hurry up and send Bernie another donation, because he totally has a path to the nomination.

another $50 for Bernie in your honor

stop trying to give us a Trump presidency

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who will win. Yes, both teams still play, though often pitchers are benched, players on the bench are given opportunities to play to decrease the chance of injury to starters, and the crowd leaves the stadium.

I try to be respectful to all other players and supporters.

And yes, in these games like these, there is a famous chant you would find offensive. It happens at all sporting events when the end result is known. Hey Hey Hey....Goodbye. Fact is, it's not offensive as you believe it to be. That is all we are doing here. Singing that song. Thanks for the baseball reference. It has many similarities to what we are seeing. Just not in the light you presented.

in too many ways politics has become sports. More like World Wrestling though.

"in too many ways politics has become sports."

When there are winners and losers it will always look like competition.

"More like World Wrestling though. "

That is about accurate.

In chess, top level games are rarely played out to checkmate. When one player realizes that his or her situation is hopeless, that player will resign, rather than play on in the hope that their opponent has a medical emergency.

And that's the situation we find ourselves in now -- only an act of god could win Bernie the nomination.

And anyway, what's the harm? Hillary can already campaign against Trump now all she wants.

She also has to try to win over Sanders supporters -- but that's been her job throughout the primary.

out how hopeless the situation is and how the player really should have resigned 10 moves ago. At some point it becomes insulting to force a grandmaster to play out a simple endgame.

But technically, yes. If the player wants to be a real pain, he can just sit there when it's mate in one and wait for the clock to run out, just as a sort of a childish poke in the eye.

But the player's reputation is certain to suffer.

I know that people who accept politicians as usual don't believe this -- but Bernie is running to advance certain principles, values and issues. And he has gotten significant support from people who agree with him. (The totals in terms of votes are not THAT lopsided in the scheme of things).

if Bernie just quietly slinks away -- those principles and values disappear along with him, and we revert to default position, which millions and millions of people (perhaps a majority) find unacceptable, regardless of what candidate they support.

I think there's a middle ground between "quietly slinking away" and playing the "contested convention" game and trying to override the will of the voters by swaying superdelegates (which is not going to work, by the way).

At this point defeating Trump is the most important thing. He can find a way to keep his issues and principles alive while also uniting behind Hillary to defeat the common foe, after all, both Hillary and Bernie have said that Trump is thousands of times worse than either of them.

He's a little cantankerous about it -- But that's what many of us like about him. We need some cantankerousness to shake thing up.

Plenty of time to go after Trump. And that is something Bernie has made clear-- that Trump is the common enemy.

Right now, there's still voting going on, and he's not going to drop out before the last ballots are cast, nor should he. He's come this far, just let everyone vote.

But if he's behind in elected delegates after all the voting, it would really be better for him to concede before the convention, rather than actually forcing a floor vote. I guess he could try swaying the superdelegates for a few weeks, but that's not going to work.

It's much better for the party to have Bernie giving a speech in support of Hillary at the convention, instead of giving a speech about how really he should be the nominee because Hillary has a SuperPAC and takes money from Wall Street. And the "contested convention" thing he said worried some people about that. You're right that Hillary needs to win over Bernie's voters, but a key person in that is going to be Bernie.

and slowing down play in the hope that you can win in stoppage time, but nothing is going to keep your team out of the relegation zone. Back to the lower divisions!

Sorry, I fucking hate baseball. Let's make this a soccer/football thread.

Sanders needs smelling salts.

It is not at the point of the 10 point rule, nor the mercy rule...and the weather is not a factor

yes Clinton has a big lead.....But Bernie still has a lot of support and the percentages are not in the realm of a 10 point game. More like 12 -9

down by 25 points. While it is possible to drag out the clock (by fouling), as long as the other team hit their free throws, the game is essentially over. Most coaches in this situation would tell their team not to foul and would concede that it is over.

I hate sports analogies for political campaigns. They really do not work.

how the hell did you find that?

...or so I have recently gleaned from DU.

when the home team is in the lead. The reason is that the other team is mathematically eliminated.

Other examples:

No extra point in NFL football after touchdown in overtime.

Soccer penalty kicks end when tied after time expires when one team is mathematically eliminated.

Another time were down 18 to Arkansas in the SEC championship with under 2 minutes left. Won.

I remember the Buffalo Bills being down 31 in the AFC Championship to the Titans/Oilers, the lead was stated to be insurmountable but Buffalo won.

You play to the final horn and worry about losing then not before.

There are patterns we can point to, such as Clinton doing much better among POC, Clinton doing better in primaries (as opposed to caucuses), Clinton doing better in delegate-rich states, and so on.

Those patterns aren't going to magically get flipped upside down. A point I first made about 2 months ago. The patterns have held.

Ignoring the raw votes, which she's well ahead:

States representing 78% of the population now have voted or caucused. Clinton has won states with an aggregate population of 195,081,326 people, Sanders has won states with an aggregate population of 53,862,473. Sanders' victories have mainly been in small, rural, and mostly white states. Clinton's victories have mainly been in large, diverse states with large rural AND urban areas.

Clinton has attracted the votes of a cross-section of voters across the country, Sanders has attracted the votes of a very narrow demographic in the US.

It's actually Sanders who has done best in the 'reddest' states in the US (and the 'reddest' regions within states).

I paid for the ticket. I'm staying the whole game. Speak for "I" from now on and not for "we."

Stay to watch your team get blown out on a weeknight, then get stuck in the parking lot for two hours trying to get out and get home after midnight. Fine with me But you are going to be sleep deprived and cranky the next day at work. You know it too.

and in this case the team forfeiting can negotiate for something valuable in return for their forfeit.

The Clinton campaign would have preferred that he forfeit all along the line.

I tyhink the contest should be allowed to follow its course. Bernie is way behind, but it's not like it's a 20-80 race.

she would greatly prefer it if he ends it early since that leaves her with a lot more clout in determining the party platform.

Even if Sanders(who this outsider is cheering on from the sidelines) dosn't win, the amounts of delegates he might get from the remaining states could grant him greater input when they form a platform which i think is his main goal currently.

In some ways this course of action is beneficial for Hillary even if she dosn't want to listen to him or his supporters as the more of his platform that is incorporated the more likely his supporters is likely to vote(even amongst the indeps), tho they would likely vote for the platform more then the person

*looks up* Hmm, am i making sense here or just rambling

i know that i have a tendency to start rambling at times

Personallly tho i would likely have done the same as Sanders if gaining more delegates could help me put more of my issues on the party platform, after all that is what the people who supports me(him) deserves.

I seem to recall those being called pretty early.

We knew those were over well before everyone voted. Both were called early.

... every one knew it.

Meanwhile, Sanders supporters expect him to try and flip super delegates and over take Hillary at the convention.

By the way, everyone still gets to vote, even if it's over for all practical
Intent.

June 4 2008

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24953561/ns/politics-decision_08/t/clinton-refuses-concede-nomination/#.VyjxZPnR_IU

Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton Tuesday refused to bow out of the Democratic race Tuesday, hoping to maintain leverage as Barack
Obama clinched the delegates needed to secure the party's nomination.
Clinton told supporters in a rally at Baruch College that she would consult party leaders in coming days on how to move forward, but that, "I will be making no decisions tonight."
"A lot of people are asking, 'What does Hillary want?'" Clinton said. "I want what I have always fought for: I want the nearly 18 million people who voted for me to be respected and heard."

And then endorsed and campaigned for Obama.

Looking forward to when Bernie does the same.

advantage before the full season ends?

Ever hear of a "magic number", the number of wins needed to ensure a playoff spot or home field advantage?

didn't think so.

We fight all the way to the finish line. That's what democracy is about. If we lose, that's OK. But we didn't do a preemptive surrender. We fight the whole election. America deserves a full election, not a half election. People in California (I love you people) they deserve to vote and to have a real choice. And this year they will have a choice. And all the other states. There's no reason to tone it down or anything else before the end of the election. If Democrats are concerned about uniting the voters, there will be plenty of time for it after. But I think what Bernie Sanders understands is that our power comes not only when we win, but when we show our resolve. When we show our willingness to battle all the way to the finish line, that's a show of strength. It puts future politicians on notice, they better respect the interests of working class America and the grass roots progressive community.