I think she does what the highest bidder wants. Fracking is the end of the planet pure and simply and HRC supports is. Coal is a difficult question as the country depends on it for many things and we have to find a substitute now, however there is not one.

When we are all ready to give up our cars I guess we can hope for a candidate that believes in climate change

She should have told those coal miners she'd do everything in her power to close down their mines for good. That's what Bernie would say because he doesn't even want their stupid votes.

She must be serious in her vague promise to "support research", so in four years we'll all be cooking on coal stoves and shoveling coal into our converted heat pumps. I don't want to do that.

That's the more troubling question for me. Ok, once in a while you'll get a candidate who is much more conservative/right-leaning, as we see with Clinton (fracking, "clean" coal, opposes Glass Steagall, opposes free education, opposes healthcare for all, supports regime change and no fly zones.

But really, the question is, when did it become acceptable for a Democrat to embrace these policies and why do so many of HRC's supporters accept/embrace it?

Makes me wonder if they're real Dems at all...

I'm trying to take an unbiased look at things. I really don't think I have suddenly gotten more progressive. It really looks like the party has come to embrace all of those issues and many voters have decided it's easier to shrug them off and accept it as "it is what it is."

Sorry I'm not willing to settle for that. The party left me. Time to move on I guess.

We'll be implored to back off and quit attacking our own.

This is not going to turn out well.

It's not technologically feasible any time soon and even if they captured all the carbon it would be a filthy process to mine it.

There is no such thing as clean coal.

Hillary Clinton is one of the least trustworthy people in politics...and there's one hell of a lot of competition.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate/

That’s why on day one, Hillary will set bold, national goals that will be achieved within ten years of her taking office:

Generate enough renewable energy to power every home in America, with half a billion solar panels installed by the end of Hillary’s first term.

Cut energy waste in American homes, schools, hospitals and offices by a third and make American manufacturing the cleanest and most efficient in the world.

Reduce American oil consumption by a third through cleaner fuels and more efficient cars, boilers, ships and trucks.


Hillary’s plan is designed to deliver on the pledge President Obama made at the Paris climate conference last December—without relying on climate deniers in Congress to pass new legislation. Her plan will reduce greenhouse gas emissions by up to 30 percent in 2025 relative to 2005 levels and put the country on a path to cut emissions more than 80 percent by 2050. Her approach will catalyze new investment and economic opportunity across the country, create hundreds of thousands of new jobs, reduce energy bills and save families money, make our country more secure, and protect our families and communities from pollution.

Any schmuck could write up a pretty, succinct campaign promise on a website that they commissioned to have made. Hell, I could do it in fifteen minutes. But the primary is essentially the season of car salespeople-- trying to get you to drive off in their vehicle above all others. And unfortunately, ever since I did research into how badly NAFTA fucked up our blue-collared workers? I'm firmly convinced the only things she's selling are pintos, lemons, and snake oil.

with promises that for all we know, could be broken the day after inauguration as a Republican than it is to actually try and debate. Way to go. Absolute aces. Doing your party a massive service. Et cetera, et cetera.



/bye

of my time discussing .

Which is the real HRC? That is the whole issue, isn't it? Which one do I believe. The "official" written policy position one or the public talking points one?

Nothing you just noted speaks to her public speaking points on "clean coal" or fracking or nuclear.

I find myself a lot more in agreement (reserved but listening and watching) with the written one than the public speaking point one. The problem is they are supposed to be the same person.

One speech she says she is a moderate centrist, in another she is a "committed progressive". Those are two very different schools of thought.

There in lies my problem.

I suggest checking yesterdays NYT article on it.

To be fair.

I am not sure your point is completely correct either. I, personally, have heard her talk about "clean coal", of which there is no such thing. That is one of the most bizarre colloquialism to ever enter the English language. I also know, as SoS, she promoted fracking around the world. I dont know any other possible way to see this but as in direct opposition to clean energy.

Everything in her plan should have been implemented during Bills' Presidency. I know we can not change what is in the past but we had better get on with changing the future. Her PLANS are NO PLANS; they are only statements of appeasement.
WE DO NOT NEED GOALS that will only get argued over. WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT SOLUTIONS that have already proven to work.
And we need to make the fossil industry pay for it!

As president, Hillary will:

Defend, implement, and extend smart pollution and efficiency standards, including the Clean Power Plan, which will prevent 3,600 premature deaths and 90,000 asthma attacks annually, and efficiency standards for cars, trucks and appliances that are already reducing energy costs for American households and businesses by over $75 billion per year.

Launch a $60 billion Clean Energy Challenge to partner with states, cities, and rural communities and give them the tools and resources they need to go beyond federal standards in cutting carbon pollution and expanding clean energy. The Clean Energy Challenge will also help ensure all Americans share in the benefits of a clean energy economy by encouraging solar and energy efficiency investments in low-income communities.

Invest in clean energy infrastructure, innovation, manufacturing and workforce development to make the U.S. economy more competitive and create good paying jobs and careers. Hillary has a comprehensive plan for making existing energy infrastructure cleaner and safer, unlocking new investment, and forging a climate compact with Canada and Mexico to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and accelerate clean energy deployment across the continent.

Ensure safe and responsible energy production. As we transition to a clean energy economy, we must ensure that the fossil fuel production taking place today is safe and responsible and that areas too sensitive for energy production are taken off the table. Hillary knows there are some places where we should keep fossil fuels in the ground or under the ocean.


Reform leasing on public lands. As president, Hillary would reform fossil fuel leasing and significantly expand clean energy production on public lands, from wind in Wyoming to solar in Nevada.

End wasteful tax subsidies for oil and gas companies. Oil and gas companies have enjoyed billions in tax breaks for decades. Hillary would end those wasteful subsidies and invest in clean energy.

Cut methane emissions across the economy. Hillary would cut emissions of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas, by 40-45 percent and put in place strong standards for reducing leaks from both new and existing sources.

Revitalize coal communities. Building a 21st century clean energy economy will create new jobs and industries, protect public health, and reduce carbon pollution. But we can’t ignore the impact this transition is already having on coal communities. Hillary’s $30 billion plan to revitalize coal communities will ensure coal miners, power plant operators, transportation workers, and their families get the respect they deserve and the benefits they have earned; invest in economic diversification and job creation; and make coal communities an engine of US economic growth in the 21st century, as they have been for generations.

Make environmental justice and climate justice central priorities. Across America, air pollution, water pollution, and toxic sites are disproportionately impacting low-income communities and communities of color—and climate change will make that impact even more severe. Hillary will set a bold national goal to eliminate lead poisoning as a public health risk within five years, create new economic opportunity by cleaning up the more than 450,000 toxic brownfield sites across the country, expand solar and energy efficiency solutions in low-income communities, and include the voices of community leaders, the environmental justice movement, and outside experts in taking on these challenges with a new Environmental and Climate Justice Task Force.

to frack America. Clean coal power plants are a myth.
You can not revitalize coal communities. I live in a Colorado coal valley where 3 mines have shut down and over 1000 people have been laid off. A lot of good housing is for sale cheap and we are seeing larger numbers of people moving in with start up marijuanna operations. Yesterday I saw dozens of people from all over the world here taking part in a solar training program offered by the Solar Research Institute. They will go out and begin to implement real change.
A new world is at our door; we need to turn our back on the past and stop appeasing those few people who may suffer short term setbacks.
The fossil industry itself is responsible for the suffering and anguish by not establishing an open and honest business model that was prepared to respond to the conditions we are confronted with today. They know long ago what was coming and spent millions of hard earned profit on denying global change.
Any candidate that thinks it is a good idea to bring these people along for the ride has been on their tit for too long.
Her responses remind me of Trumps dialog, just more intellectually stated.

is to set goals, take actions, measure results, re-evaluate actions.

There are ways to reduce methane, one she put right in there is regulations on it to reduce leaks.

I haven't investigated the challenges of reducing methane, but I have watched Clinton for decades and find it highly unlikely that this some kind of ruse she is playing on you and the rest of us.

If you have some source of information for challenging it other than your unsupported opinion, I would be interested to see it.

for 40 years. The time to set goals is past. Actions are what we need and it takes leadership willing to take on the powers that be to implement actions.
Accepting money from the people who are denying a problem exists is not reassuring to me.

ANY nominee that supports fracking as a solution or a 'BRIDGE' is a joke...

it has caused far worse damage than all other fossil fuels in the 'short' time it's been in play to the extent it has been utilized on the atmosphere, water and land...

She please spare us that HRC isn't a blight on this issue, on getting us to renewable energy sources/solutions immediately

read this from CA

http://www.arb.ca.gov/cc/facts/facts.htm

This is not aspirational, or pie in the sky, it is happening, And her goals are well under AB 32. We are well on our way to meet 40 percent by 3030. The original plan was 33 percent. We already overcame that.

Many climate scientists see fracking and nuclear energy as necessary lower greenhouse gas transition sources until we have enough renewable energy capacity. Further, Clinton's stand on fracking is actually quite narrow. She supports it if local communities agree, groundwater is not contaminated, and the chemicals used are made public. Also, complicating the picture is that energy independence has kept gas and oil prices low, improving our economy to the point where we can focus on climate change. How is Bernie going to meet our energy needs if he blocks so many forms of energy? I don't think he's explained himself on that.

But we can't afford triangulation on this critical issue.

If we don't come to grips with climate change and make drastic change NOW, none of the other sht will matter one bit.

She literally stands only for the money. She will look people in the eye and tell them one thing, or say something in public and pretend her remarks were taken out of context, when they were her exact words. It's no wonder people think she's a liar. Her answers really depends on the audience.