2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA 2008 Timeline -- How Clinton behaved in May and June -- She did NOT go "graciously"
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/the-end-of-hillary-clinto_b_9791460.htmlClinton, campaigning in Bethlehem, called her rival’s approach “so negative” and charged him with mimicking Republicans by attacking her plan for universal health care.
“He has sent out mailers, he has run ads, misrepresenting what I have proposed,” Clinton said. “I really regret that because the last thing we need is to have somebody spending as much money as he has downgrading universal health care.”
May 9 2008
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May 23
“We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California,” Hillary Clinton said yesterday, referencing the fact that past nomination contests have stretched into June to explain why she hasn’t heeded calls to exit the Democratic race. She was in an editorial board meeting with a South Dakota newspaper, and she didn’t even seem to notice she’d just uttered the unutterable.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24953561/ns/politics-decision_08/t/clinton-refuses-concede-nomination/#.Vyj1bfnR_IU
June 4
Clinton told supporters in a rally at Baruch College that she would consult party leaders in coming days on how to move forward, but that, "I will be making no decisions tonight."
"A lot of people are asking, 'What does Hillary want?'" Clinton said. "I want what I have always fought for: I want the nearly 18 million people who voted for me to be respected and heard."
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deathrind
(1,786 posts)"We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California,” Hillary Clinton said"
That's a pretty despicable way to justify staying the race.
dchill
(38,505 posts)It doesn't get much lower than that...
Armstead
(47,803 posts)In another sign of just how bedeviled the Clinton campaign continues to be, it spent this morning frantically trying to keep news organizations from following an Associated Press report that Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton will concede tonight that Barack Obama has enough delegates to claim the nomination.
The Associated Press posted its report at around 11 a.m.,
Within 20 minutes, the Clinton campaign had responded with this statement: “The AP story is incorrect. Senator Clinton will not concede the nomination this evening.”
Minutes later, the senior campaign adviser, Harold Ickes, called MSNBC to say the report was “inaccurate and wrong.’’
“Mr. Obama does not have the nomination, will not have the nomination, in my view, he won’t have it tonight. Nor will Mrs. Clinton, and they’re going to continue to make their case to the uncommitted superdelegates.”’
dchill
(38,505 posts)should be afforded the same courtesies and rights as Hillary Clinton got.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)dchill
(38,505 posts)
MisterP
(23,730 posts)fair's fair
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)That was when we got the PUMAs, and look it up if you don't recall them.
Her supporters act as if she bowed out graciously sometime soon after Iowa and New Hampshire, but she didn't, and her supporters were more vicious as the primary season went on.
Of course, after the election we learned she'd been bought by the promise of the Secretary of State position.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)
Vinca
(50,278 posts)It was like a hostage situation. LOL.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Hillary drops out and endorses Obama http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/clinton-drops-out-of-u-s-presidential-race-1.755018
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Not one day before. Actually, the last primary was June 3 that year, so she waited another four days to drop out.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Now it's all about universal "coverage".
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)But Clinton was determined to fight until the last votes had been cast....
even though there was no way for her to make up her deficit in the delegate count.
Along the way, the Clinton campaign put forward every conceivable argument to justify staying in the race....
On May 23, Clinton justified her continued White House bid by noting that in 1968, Democratic presidential hopeful Robert Kennedy was assassinated in June, after winning the California primary. And lurking in the background in these final weeks was the rumor that Republican operatives had gotten hold of a tape of Michelle Obama disparaging "whitey."
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-drop-out-election
BobSmith4152
(75 posts)but it was for money
http://linkis.com/freebeacon.com/polit/HE8UE
Not a more progressive platform or reform of the party primary structure or...well you get the idea
frylock
(34,825 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)This morning, Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign made the case that the goal line needs to be moved further back and that the real "magic number" is 2,209. It also laid out a scenario that has the primary season ending on June 3 with neither major contender having reached the 2,209 mark. In that event, Clinton strategist Geoff Garin said, "the process" would continue -- a process that could see Clinton and Barack Obama taking their battle for the nomination to the floor of the party's late-August convention in Denver.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Note the shameless use of a dying voter....
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90425674
ELECTION 2008
Clinton Wins W.Va., Insists 'It's Not Over'
That's where Hillary Clinton won an easy victory. She beat her rival, Barack Obama, by more than two votes to one, and later she spoke with supporters in the state capital, Charleston. Her real audience, though, was undecided superdelegates, those lawmakers and party luminaries who are going to decide the nomination and who are Clinton's last hope of overtaking Obama and winning the nomination.
MONTAGNE: Clinton's campaign is fighting the perception that the race is over, a perception Barack Obama is happy to encourage. He sent his own message last night by speaking in Missouri, a state expected to be a battleground in the fall. We begin our coverage with NPR's David Greene, who's covering Hillary Clinton.
(Soundbite of clapping)
CROWD: It's not over.
DAVID GREENE: Hillary Clinton's supporters last night sounded like basketball fans. Their team's losing late but they're refusing to give up.
(Soundbite of clapping)
CROWD: It's not over.
GREENE: It's not over was also the message from Clinton herself.
Senator HILLARY CLINTON (Democrat, New York): We know from the bible that faith can move mountains.
(Soundbite of cheering)
Sen. CLINTON: And, my friends, the faith of the Mountain State has moved me.
(Soundbite of cheering)
Sen. CLINTON: I am more determined than ever to carry on this campaign.
(Soundbite of cheering)
GREENE: Clinton beat Obama in West Virginia convincingly, by more than two to one as in other states older, rural, less educated and less affluent white voters turned out for her. Clinton said she had shown strength in a state Democrats need to win in the fall. And she said she hoped the party's undecided superdelegates were listening to her.
Sen. CLINTON: I can win this nomination if you decide I should, and I can lead this party to victory in the general election if you lead me to victory now.
GREENE: Clinton remained well behind Obama in both pledged delegates and those free agents known as superdelegates. Yet last night she said she's fighting on, in part because she doesn't want to turn her back on millions of people who voted for her.
Sen. CLINTON: Tonight I'm thinking about Florence Steen, from South Dakota. Eighty-eight years old and in failing health, when she asked that her daughter bring an absentee ballot to her hospice bedside.
GREENE: Clinton said Steen was born before women had the right to vote and was determined to cast a ballot for Clinton.
Sen. CLINTON: Florence passed on a few days ago, but I am eternally grateful to her and her family for making this such an important and incredible milestone in her life. It means so much to me.
But meanwhile Clinton supporters have been blaming the media for counting her out. At a fundraiser in New York last weekend, Congressman Charlie Rangel said he's been chatting with a lot of reporters.
Representative CHARLIE RANGEL (Democrat, New York): And they keep asking me the same basic questions as though they went to a school to say how do we embarrass Hillary Clinton?
(Soundbite of applause)
Rep. RANGEL: And they come out with the latest one, is when is she going to quit?
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)
karynnj
(59,504 posts)better qualified nominee and she started speaking of the "popular vote" that really makes no sense in the primaries - as it completely does not count any votes in some states.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Bernie should do the same.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Much to the chagrin of his fake supporters.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)That or he recedes into obscurity.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Had she went against unity.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Many in the Dem party were telling her to drop out because Obama's lead was so strong.
She ignored them and kept pushing.
That's okay-- just don't use a double standard against Sanders.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)She spoke at the convention, she had just under half the pledged delegates, she didn't have to release her delegates.
This is what unity looks like:
Armstead
(47,803 posts)..and long past the time when many leaders and the media were saying she should drop out. That was when she dropped some of her worst crap against Obama.
But when Bernie keeps on he's evil incarnate.
It's the hypocrisy of the attacks on Bernie for not giving up yet
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Once all the votes were in, she stepped aside.
If Bernie does that ... his angriest supporters will lose their collective shit.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Was it well before all of the states had voted? No, it wasn't.
So just stop demanding that Sanders drop out early.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)It has not happened.
Bernie will endorse Hillary shortly after the last primary. Just as Hillary did with Obama.
And when he does ... most Bernie supporters will support Hillary too.
And the minority of loud angry "Bernouts", will lose their minds.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)but all too many of the Hillary supporters here.
And even if you had demanded Bernie drop out, I doubt I'd want to kink to any post.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)of the primaries 8 years ago. She endorsed him only after staying in all the way. So there is no way Bernie should drop out at this point.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)The other thing is is that 2008 was much closer than this year. Both the delegates and the vote totals were very close, in fact if the disputed Michigan and Florida votes were included, Hillary actually got more of the popular votes.
Despite all the noise, this time around it really isn't close, and hasn't been since March 15. Both in delegates and votes, the margin is much bigger than 2008.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Which shouldn't be forgotten.
And still, she nominated Obama by acclamation, stumped for him in dozens of rallies, and busted her ass to get him elected.
A far cry from the arguments that she was going to actual CONTEST the convention. That's a party killer, as people will see if the Republicans do it to Trump.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)You always keep your options open, like Sanders is doing with supers.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Do you think we are wrong??
Armstead
(47,803 posts)It's not only about the Tiger Beat aspect of what individual carries the Democratic banner -- It's what that banner will consist of
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)But I follow your condescension.
In fact, I'd suggest your candidate is the "Tiger Beat" candidate. As we've discussed in other threads, Bernie fans were first and foremost Warren fans.
The movement, having not done the hard work of building up a slate of candidates, flocked to Warren first.
She was THERE. And suddenly, this site was packed with Warren 2016 folks.
She said No.
So Bernie, with very good intentions, stepped in.
And the "Tiger Beat" crowd ran from Warren to Bernie.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Mainly to rile up Sanders supporters.
He's not dropping out nor should he.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Glad I don't have to make these arguments.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Bernie fights into May and June -- Evil bad man
Clinton fights into May and June 2008.....No problem.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)And it was a far closer race.
There were literally hundred posts threads here about Clinton seating the delegates. I remember fondly.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5362269
Google MadFloridian and my name and delegates. The arguments were long and drawn out. MadFloridian's journal back then is a testament to how rhetoric doesn't reflect reality. When Clinton called for a roll call (not necessary) the Obama camp was iffy on it. Everyone believed the nastiness about Clinton's character. They still do.
But this is what happened:
Cluelessness.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Hard to maintain a democracy that way.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)Yes, HRC stayed in the race until June 08, long after her loss was obvious. Since January her campaign has been saying Bernie should drop out, and people wonder why she has no credibility here.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Not a link saying he can't win.
Not a link from DU saying he should drop out.
A link from the Clinton Campaign telling Bernie to drop out.
Thanks.
ozone_man
(4,825 posts)She had no real chance to win the nomination.
