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factfinder_77

(841 posts)
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:23 PM May 2016

WV poll: Sanders leading 45% to 37%, Clinton 52/41 with liberals..Sanders 36/19 with conservatives

This is a weird WH poll from ppp.

On the Democratic side Bernie Sanders is leading with 45% to 37% for Hillary Clinton. The 18% of voters who are undecided is unusually high and speaks to the number of registered Democrats in West Virginia who don't really identify with the national party at this point. Among the undecideds Sanders has a 15/77 favorability rating and Clinton's even worse off at 12/84 so there may end up being a decent mass of voters who just don't vote for either of the candidates.

West Virginia's the latest of open primary states or semi open primary states where we find Clinton ahead with Democrats (43/41) but losing overall because she's getting swamped with independents (56/19)

. Clinton is actually ahead 52/41 with liberals, but Sanders has the cumulative edge because he's up 55/31 with moderates and 36/19 with conservatives who in West Virginia are 22% of the primary electorate.

One thing Clinton does have going for her in West Virginia is that 79% of her voters are firmly committed to her, compared to 65% of Sanders' who say the same.

If she can peel off some of those weak Sanders supporters in the next week she still has a chance to take the state.


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/05/trump-sanders-lead-in-west-virginia.html
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WV poll: Sanders leading 45% to 37%, Clinton 52/41 with liberals..Sanders 36/19 with conservatives (Original Post) factfinder_77 May 2016 OP
A number of Bernie supporters I've run into are conservatives Dem2 May 2016 #1
it is easy to understand- On the political circle the far left and the far right come together snooper2 May 2016 #2
"Libertarians for Socialism"! Dem2 May 2016 #6
Penn Jillette likes Sanders. joshcryer May 2016 #12
Penn jillette is a d****** Dem2 May 2016 #19
I like his podcast. joshcryer May 2016 #25
I would not be proud of having support from conservative W Virginians. Hoyt May 2016 #3
Please keep that to yourself as any general election candidate needs some. ViseGrip May 2016 #7
Not really. Hoyt May 2016 #9
NNNNNNNNNNNNoooooooo uponit7771 May 2016 #22
Remember how much they despised Obama in 08 and 12? Cali_Democrat May 2016 #8
That just shows how little understanding you have tech3149 May 2016 #18
I suggest you read about racism in "conservative" states. Hoyt May 2016 #24
Clinton has a more REAL Progressive Plan. nt fun n serious May 2016 #4
Yeah, I know some former Paulites who are now enthusiastic Bernie Bros ContinentalOp May 2016 #5
What happened to his 30 point lead in WV? MattP May 2016 #10
Don Blankenship (of Upper Big Branch Mine infamy)was among the anti-HRC protesters in Williamson,WV Tanuki May 2016 #11
Why do we care about WV? DCBob May 2016 #13
WV democrats are notorious for being very conservative. dubyadiprecession May 2016 #14
West Virginia polls have been all over the place. NuclearDem May 2016 #15
Sanders has already won what were the 4 'reddest' states in 2012. Garrett78 May 2016 #16
You mean those unrepresentative caucuses - WA is a semi closed primary factfinder_77 May 2016 #17
I think at least 1 of the 4 had a primary and not a caucus. Garrett78 May 2016 #20
+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #23
West Virginia has less than 4% black people, so Bernie's chances are excellent. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #21

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
1. A number of Bernie supporters I've run into are conservatives
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:29 PM
May 2016

...looking to shake things up.

I think I get it (conservatives for Bernie), but it's not always easy for me to comprehend this mindset - it's so different than mine.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
2. it is easy to understand- On the political circle the far left and the far right come together
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:32 PM
May 2016

That is close to where the libertarian idiots land.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
6. "Libertarians for Socialism"!
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:36 PM
May 2016

Of one thing I'm sure, after spending much time on reddit, there's no such thing as a 'libertarian' in the US, most are just selfish kids sitting in their mom's basement whining that they are required to contribute anything to their society in order to survive. Thus the "free stuff" meme that's been stuck to Bernie appeals to them. (yes, this is an exaggeration, but I made myself laugh typing it.)

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
12. Penn Jillette likes Sanders.
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:54 PM
May 2016

Super hard core libertarian. Between Trump, Sanders, and Clinton he actually said he'd pick Sanders, even though he disagrees with Sanders on everything.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
25. I like his podcast.
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:37 PM
May 2016

Had Puff the Magic Dragon on a little while back, then Johnny Thompson (famous magician), fun times.

But yeah, he stopped talking politics recently, because Trump is literally his real life arch nemesis, and some episodes he'd spend a third of the episode ranting about Trump. Penn was on Celebrity Apprentice, should have won, and he's bitter about the way Trump handled it.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
8. Remember how much they despised Obama in 08 and 12?
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:38 PM
May 2016

Obama was hated in WVA. In the 2008 primaries, they overwhelmingly chose Hillary over him.

Interesting how they're embracing Bernie.

tech3149

(4,452 posts)
18. That just shows how little understanding you have
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:49 PM
May 2016

not just of West Virginians but most of Appalachia. If it wewn't for the hill people there probably would'nt be a United States. I suggest you read Jeff Biggers "United Styates of Appallachia"The Scot/ Irish who are the heart and soul of Appalichia never back down from a fight but they're also smart enough not to take on a fight they can't or don't need to win.
There may be a problem with people being cowed to accept their explotation as something they cannot fight but I expect you could see the same thing all around the world.

ContinentalOp

(5,356 posts)
5. Yeah, I know some former Paulites who are now enthusiastic Bernie Bros
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:36 PM
May 2016

I don't quite get it. But maybe isolationism is their only issue? I still think a good chunk of "independents" are just mindlessly "anti-establishment". They don't really get the issues, they just know they hate the status quo. It's just contrarianism.

Or perhaps they're atheists or "rational" types who hate the christian right and the anti-science element of the republican party but they also have deep seated racist or misogynistic feelings that kept them from supporting Obama or Clinton, so they latched onto the most popular outsider candidate. It seems like those types would just go for Trump this year though so I don't know.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
11. Don Blankenship (of Upper Big Branch Mine infamy)was among the anti-HRC protesters in Williamson,WV
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:50 PM
May 2016
http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Clinton-responds-to-Don-Blankenship-showing-up-at-event-in-WVa-377969161.html

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..."A statement was also released form Hillary for West Virginia State Director Talley Sergent.

"It was a pretty outrageous sight to see Don Blankenship, of all people, apparently rallying against Hillary Clinton's plans and commitment to help our coal communities. As President, Hillary Clinton will prioritize federal legislation to make sure the likes of Don Blankenship can never again get away with showing such blatant disregard for our miners and their safety. Our campaign is proud not to have Don Blankenship's endorsement. If Donald Trump wants to accept his support, then he owes a serious explanation to the families of our miners we lost at Upper Big Branch and the people of West Virginia."
 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
15. West Virginia polls have been all over the place.
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:39 PM
May 2016

One had Sanders leading by 28, another had Clinton leading by 13.

 

factfinder_77

(841 posts)
17. You mean those unrepresentative caucuses - WA is a semi closed primary
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:48 PM
May 2016

West Virginians must register as democrat or undeclared to vote for Clinton/Sanders

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
20. I think at least 1 of the 4 had a primary and not a caucus.
Tue May 3, 2016, 06:21 PM
May 2016

What they have in common is they're predominantly white and not especially populous.

As I've said many times, the Clinton-Red State meme takes reality and flips it on its head.

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