2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWV poll: Sanders leading 45% to 37%, Clinton 52/41 with liberals..Sanders 36/19 with conservatives
This is a weird WH poll from ppp.
West Virginia's the latest of open primary states or semi open primary states where we find Clinton ahead with Democrats (43/41) but losing overall because she's getting swamped with independents (56/19)
. Clinton is actually ahead 52/41 with liberals, but Sanders has the cumulative edge because he's up 55/31 with moderates and 36/19 with conservatives who in West Virginia are 22% of the primary electorate.
One thing Clinton does have going for her in West Virginia is that 79% of her voters are firmly committed to her, compared to 65% of Sanders' who say the same.
If she can peel off some of those weak Sanders supporters in the next week she still has a chance to take the state.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/05/trump-sanders-lead-in-west-virginia.html
Dem2
(8,168 posts)...looking to shake things up.
I think I get it (conservatives for Bernie), but it's not always easy for me to comprehend this mindset - it's so different than mine.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)That is close to where the libertarian idiots land.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Of one thing I'm sure, after spending much time on reddit, there's no such thing as a 'libertarian' in the US, most are just selfish kids sitting in their mom's basement whining that they are required to contribute anything to their society in order to survive. Thus the "free stuff" meme that's been stuck to Bernie appeals to them. (yes, this is an exaggeration, but I made myself laugh typing it.)
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Super hard core libertarian. Between Trump, Sanders, and Clinton he actually said he'd pick Sanders, even though he disagrees with Sanders on everything.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)But thanks, I wasn't aware of his opinion of Bernie.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Had Puff the Magic Dragon on a little while back, then Johnny Thompson (famous magician), fun times.
But yeah, he stopped talking politics recently, because Trump is literally his real life arch nemesis, and some episodes he'd spend a third of the episode ranting about Trump. Penn was on Celebrity Apprentice, should have won, and he's bitter about the way Trump handled it.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Obama was hated in WVA. In the 2008 primaries, they overwhelmingly chose Hillary over him.
Interesting how they're embracing Bernie.
tech3149
(4,452 posts)not just of West Virginians but most of Appalachia. If it wewn't for the hill people there probably would'nt be a United States. I suggest you read Jeff Biggers "United Styates of Appallachia"The Scot/ Irish who are the heart and soul of Appalichia never back down from a fight but they're also smart enough not to take on a fight they can't or don't need to win.
There may be a problem with people being cowed to accept their explotation as something they cannot fight but I expect you could see the same thing all around the world.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)ContinentalOp
(5,356 posts)I don't quite get it. But maybe isolationism is their only issue? I still think a good chunk of "independents" are just mindlessly "anti-establishment". They don't really get the issues, they just know they hate the status quo. It's just contrarianism.
Or perhaps they're atheists or "rational" types who hate the christian right and the anti-science element of the republican party but they also have deep seated racist or misogynistic feelings that kept them from supporting Obama or Clinton, so they latched onto the most popular outsider candidate. It seems like those types would just go for Trump this year though so I don't know.
MattP
(3,304 posts)Tanuki
(14,918 posts)?b85f34
..."A statement was also released form Hillary for West Virginia State Director Talley Sergent.
"It was a pretty outrageous sight to see Don Blankenship, of all people, apparently rallying against Hillary Clinton's plans and commitment to help our coal communities. As President, Hillary Clinton will prioritize federal legislation to make sure the likes of Don Blankenship can never again get away with showing such blatant disregard for our miners and their safety. Our campaign is proud not to have Don Blankenship's endorsement. If Donald Trump wants to accept his support, then he owes a serious explanation to the families of our miners we lost at Upper Big Branch and the people of West Virginia."
DCBob
(24,689 posts)It's a conservative state we will never win in the general.
dubyadiprecession
(5,714 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)One had Sanders leading by 28, another had Clinton leading by 13.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)West Virginia was #5.
factfinder_77
(841 posts)West Virginians must register as democrat or undeclared to vote for Clinton/Sanders
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)What they have in common is they're predominantly white and not especially populous.
As I've said many times, the Clinton-Red State meme takes reality and flips it on its head.