2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders claim of a contested violates Democratic National Convention rule nr 13
Sanders claim of a contested convention is a lie, Sanders violates Democratic National Convention rule 13
A.Delegates shall be allocated in a fashion that fairly reflects the expressed presidential preference or uncommitted status of the primary voters or, if there is no binding primary, the convention and/or caucus participants,
Meaning; if Clinton leads in the pledged delegates count, she will be the nominee.
According to Procedural Rules of the 2016 Democratic National Convention : 13 J
J Motion to Suspend the Rules: The Chair shall entertain a motion to suspend the rules, which shall e decided without debate and which shall require a vote of two thirds (2/3) of the delegates voting, a quorum being present.
Sanders will not get the necesary 2/3 vote to change or suspend the rules.
GAME OVER FOR SANDERS.!!!!!!!!
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)interesting
randome
(34,845 posts)It's like all of a sudden Sanders supporters have latched onto that as a symbol of some sort. It does not do your debating skills any credit.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
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azurnoir
(45,850 posts)anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)I'm all ears to hear how you consider this relevant.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)8 hidden posts in only 4 weeks of membership and are still allowed to be here
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Bernie has turned into as much of a complainer and crybaby as his followers.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)and tows the line.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)That's the last thing Debbie Downer wants. The people might cut off her gravy train.
factfinder_77
(841 posts)In 1982, the DNC adopted several changes in the nominating process. They had been proposed by the party's Commission on Presidential Nominations, which was established in 1980 and led by Gov. James Hunt of North Carolina. The party created a new group of "SUPERDELEGATES," party and elected officials who would go to the 1984 convention "uncommitted" and cast about 14% of the ballots. (This was a continuation of the effort to bring the experienced, more MODERATE members of the party to the convention to act as a "ballast" against the passions of other delegates.)
In 1984, this had the effect of stabilizing support for "establishment" candidate Walter Mondale over "insurgent" candidates Gary Hart and Jesse Jackson. Also adopted was a proposal allowing a presidential candidate to replace a disloyal delegate. Another revision was a decision to allow states to choose to keep a proportional representation system AND allow them to adopt a winner bonus plan that awarded the top vote-getter in each district one extra delegate.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)acting as a ballast.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)super delegates this year, also a good to have the super delegates remain. This are the rules of the DNC, rules in which Sanders signed on to follow when he ran as a DNC candidate. How would it be to get this far in the primary and suddenly say Sanders will not be participating in the DNC convention this year, like a change of the rules.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Let's them feel relevant.
We already have precedent for what happens. Obama was a junior senator, probably the least connected to run in awhile, and still the supers went for him.
factfinder_77
(841 posts)Sanders does not.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)factfinder_77
(841 posts)look at the rcp numbers
morningfog
(18,115 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)and with large Bernie favorable states ahead....
The argument that she has "won" the popular vote this time is actually nonsense this time as well.
Our voting system is as embarrassing as our educational system, with the insanity of local control combined with national party mechanisms and strategies designed to suppress interest and votes.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)In a very close race.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Read up about the TPP that Hillary supported, and so on. Maybe start fracking somewhere. Get psyched up for the next war in the Middle East.
The rest of us, we'll stick around until the Convention.
peace13
(11,076 posts)If the insurance companies call and want the ACA repealed they will be good for the go!
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)The pledged delegates are allocated according to primary and caucus results. The unpledged (super) delegates cast their votes AT THE CONVENTION. The "contested convention" just means that Bernie won't give up, won't quit the race until he is eliminated.
The election result will be the result of the true balance of forces on the ground at the convention. Not the result of a pre-compromise or a pre-surrender.
If we lose, then we lose. But we fight all the way to the finish line. Why is that a hard concept to grasp?
We believe in democracy. We're fighting until the official end of the nominating process. What's the problem? Don't you believe in democracy?
factfinder_77
(841 posts)1: Money raised and used in the primary fight can be used to beat Trump in GE and elect democrats in the upcoming senate/house races
2: Its a question of Sanders Legacy
3: Its a moment in time when the party can unite and make sure Trump does not win in GE.
4. Trump will use Sanders attack sound bites and adds to claim that Clinton is crocked and unfit to be POTUS,
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)If you vote for needless war, then we have to fight you. It's not a choice. Expect a fight. Let the next politician understand before they send people to kill and to die in our name, supposedly for this country, think twice and think three and four times, it's not a game, because we're out here and we fight back. You're not going to walk to the Democratic nomination with that kind of record.
rock
(13,218 posts)We want to give Sanders a chance to fleece his supporters a bit more.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)Especially ALL of you. But you do have a (small) group of easily deluded loudmouths that quite frankly do not have much savvy in politics. I'm sure you're not one.
beedle
(1,235 posts)That only says how to allocate the votes. There is nothing in what you posted that says anything about "if Clinton leads in the pledged delegates count, she will be the nominee."
factfinder_77
(841 posts)n/a
beedle
(1,235 posts)You have your pledged delegates. You may even have more pledged than the other candidate. That doesn't mean you win. You need 50% + 1 of pledged + unpledged.
After the pledged delegates are rewarded and you still do not have 50%+1 then the unpledged delegates have their say.