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factfinder_77

(841 posts)
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:59 PM May 2016

Sanders claim of a contested violates Democratic National Convention rule nr 13

Sanders claim of a contested convention is a lie, Sanders violates Democratic National Convention rule 13

A.Delegates shall be allocated in a fashion that fairly reflects the expressed presidential preference or uncommitted status of the primary voters or, if there is no binding primary, the convention and/or caucus participants,



Meaning; if Clinton leads in the pledged delegates count, she will be the nominee.

According to Procedural Rules of the 2016 Democratic National Convention : 13 J


J Motion to Suspend the Rules: The Chair shall entertain a motion to suspend the rules, which shall e decided without debate and which shall require a vote of two thirds (2/3) of the delegates voting, a quorum being present.


Sanders will not get the necesary 2/3 vote to change or suspend the rules.

GAME OVER FOR SANDERS.!!!!!!!!





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Sanders claim of a contested violates Democratic National Convention rule nr 13 (Original Post) factfinder_77 May 2016 OP
Shhh! That was our wild card. JaneyVee May 2016 #1
you and the OP are equal in hidden posts 8 for both the difference is being here 4 years vs 4 weeks azurnoir May 2016 #4
There seems to be some bizarre fixation on # of hidden posts. randome May 2016 #13
what makes you think I was debating anything? I pointed out an interesting fact azurnoir May 2016 #17
What is interesting about it? anigbrowl May 2016 #24
well not many people are so well loved that they are allowed to have azurnoir May 2016 #27
But Bernie has no clue even though he is losing by three million votes tonyt53 May 2016 #2
so why do superdelegates exist, if the rules state that they must follow the primaries? virtualobserver May 2016 #3
Exactly! DWS says cuz they don't want grass roots in other words no one that is not establishment bkkyosemite May 2016 #5
Grassroots = people's choice. HooptieWagon May 2016 #28
experienced, more MODERATE members of the party to the convention to act as a "ballast" factfinder_77 May 2016 #7
You fail to answer how they follow the will of the primary and caucus voters while simultaneously... virtualobserver May 2016 #9
They were established to prevent hostile take over by other parties. The GOP would love to have Thinkingabout May 2016 #29
"passions" how bout corrupt politics and a campaign that wants to do away with it within the party. bkkyosemite May 2016 #22
To give the party elites pressuring power. joshcryer May 2016 #8
Because he was winning the popular wote and delegate count factfinder_77 May 2016 #10
Hillary won the popular vote in 2008 virtualobserver May 2016 #11
Not by much... factfinder_77 May 2016 #12
No she didn't. You can't include MI and FL. morningfog May 2016 #14
true, but to be honest, with a mixture of primaries and caucuses, open, closed...slightly ajar.... virtualobserver May 2016 #30
Right. The last thing they wanted to do was split the party. joshcryer May 2016 #19
Okay. Great. Game over. Now all you Hillary fans can go home. mikehiggins May 2016 #6
They probably better run to the doctor and get their meds refilled too. peace13 May 2016 #15
Your post is completely ignorant. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #16
Well you question has been answered many times before factfinder_77 May 2016 #23
If people don't want their records attacked then maybe they shouldn't have such shitty records. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #31
Shhhh rock May 2016 #18
Stop acting like we are a bunch of idiots ...We may be smarter than you guys. Just may! bkkyosemite May 2016 #21
I would never call you idiots rock May 2016 #26
That rule doesn't state what you claim beedle May 2016 #20
Pledged delegates are rewarded proportionally factfinder_77 May 2016 #25
Yes, so ..? beedle May 2016 #32

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
4. you and the OP are equal in hidden posts 8 for both the difference is being here 4 years vs 4 weeks
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:04 PM
May 2016

interesting

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
13. There seems to be some bizarre fixation on # of hidden posts.
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:22 PM
May 2016

It's like all of a sudden Sanders supporters have latched onto that as a symbol of some sort. It does not do your debating skills any credit.
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azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
27. well not many people are so well loved that they are allowed to have
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:42 PM
May 2016

8 hidden posts in only 4 weeks of membership and are still allowed to be here

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
2. But Bernie has no clue even though he is losing by three million votes
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:01 PM
May 2016

Bernie has turned into as much of a complainer and crybaby as his followers.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
5. Exactly! DWS says cuz they don't want grass roots in other words no one that is not establishment
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:06 PM
May 2016

and tows the line.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
28. Grassroots = people's choice.
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:44 PM
May 2016

That's the last thing Debbie Downer wants. The people might cut off her gravy train.

 

factfinder_77

(841 posts)
7. experienced, more MODERATE members of the party to the convention to act as a "ballast"
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:07 PM
May 2016

In 1982, the DNC adopted several changes in the nominating process. They had been proposed by the party's Commission on Presidential Nominations, which was established in 1980 and led by Gov. James Hunt of North Carolina. The party created a new group of "SUPERDELEGATES," party and elected officials who would go to the 1984 convention "uncommitted" and cast about 14% of the ballots. (This was a continuation of the effort to bring the experienced, more MODERATE members of the party to the convention to act as a "ballast" against the passions of other delegates.)

In 1984, this had the effect of stabilizing support for "establishment" candidate Walter Mondale over "insurgent" candidates Gary Hart and Jesse Jackson. Also adopted was a proposal allowing a presidential candidate to replace a disloyal delegate. Another revision was a decision to allow states to choose to keep a proportional representation system AND allow them to adopt a winner bonus plan that awarded the top vote-getter in each district one extra delegate.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
9. You fail to answer how they follow the will of the primary and caucus voters while simultaneously...
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:10 PM
May 2016

acting as a ballast.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
29. They were established to prevent hostile take over by other parties. The GOP would love to have
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:51 PM
May 2016

super delegates this year, also a good to have the super delegates remain. This are the rules of the DNC, rules in which Sanders signed on to follow when he ran as a DNC candidate. How would it be to get this far in the primary and suddenly say Sanders will not be participating in the DNC convention this year, like a change of the rules.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
8. To give the party elites pressuring power.
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:08 PM
May 2016

Let's them feel relevant.

We already have precedent for what happens. Obama was a junior senator, probably the least connected to run in awhile, and still the supers went for him.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
30. true, but to be honest, with a mixture of primaries and caucuses, open, closed...slightly ajar....
Tue May 3, 2016, 06:00 PM
May 2016

and with large Bernie favorable states ahead....

The argument that she has "won" the popular vote this time is actually nonsense this time as well.

Our voting system is as embarrassing as our educational system, with the insanity of local control combined with national party mechanisms and strategies designed to suppress interest and votes.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
6. Okay. Great. Game over. Now all you Hillary fans can go home.
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:06 PM
May 2016

Read up about the TPP that Hillary supported, and so on. Maybe start fracking somewhere. Get psyched up for the next war in the Middle East.

The rest of us, we'll stick around until the Convention.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
15. They probably better run to the doctor and get their meds refilled too.
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:25 PM
May 2016

If the insurance companies call and want the ACA repealed they will be good for the go!

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
16. Your post is completely ignorant.
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:27 PM
May 2016

The pledged delegates are allocated according to primary and caucus results. The unpledged (super) delegates cast their votes AT THE CONVENTION. The "contested convention" just means that Bernie won't give up, won't quit the race until he is eliminated.

The election result will be the result of the true balance of forces on the ground at the convention. Not the result of a pre-compromise or a pre-surrender.

If we lose, then we lose. But we fight all the way to the finish line. Why is that a hard concept to grasp?

We believe in democracy. We're fighting until the official end of the nominating process. What's the problem? Don't you believe in democracy?

 

factfinder_77

(841 posts)
23. Well you question has been answered many times before
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:38 PM
May 2016

1: Money raised and used in the primary fight can be used to beat Trump in GE and elect democrats in the upcoming senate/house races
2: Its a question of Sanders Legacy
3: Its a moment in time when the party can unite and make sure Trump does not win in GE.
4. Trump will use Sanders attack sound bites and adds to claim that Clinton is crocked and unfit to be POTUS,

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
31. If people don't want their records attacked then maybe they shouldn't have such shitty records.
Tue May 3, 2016, 06:02 PM
May 2016

If you vote for needless war, then we have to fight you. It's not a choice. Expect a fight. Let the next politician understand before they send people to kill and to die in our name, supposedly for this country, think twice and think three and four times, it's not a game, because we're out here and we fight back. You're not going to walk to the Democratic nomination with that kind of record.

rock

(13,218 posts)
26. I would never call you idiots
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:40 PM
May 2016

Especially ALL of you. But you do have a (small) group of easily deluded loudmouths that quite frankly do not have much savvy in politics. I'm sure you're not one.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
20. That rule doesn't state what you claim
Tue May 3, 2016, 05:30 PM
May 2016
A.Delegates shall be allocated in a fashion that fairly reflects the expressed presidential preference or uncommitted status of the primary voters or, if there is no binding primary, the convention and/or caucus participants,


That only says how to allocate the votes. There is nothing in what you posted that says anything about "if Clinton leads in the pledged delegates count, she will be the nominee."

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
32. Yes, so ..?
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:22 PM
May 2016

You have your pledged delegates. You may even have more pledged than the other candidate. That doesn't mean you win. You need 50% + 1 of pledged + unpledged.

After the pledged delegates are rewarded and you still do not have 50%+1 then the unpledged delegates have their say.

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