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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Tue May 3, 2016, 06:59 PM May 2016

Rolling Stone: What Should We Make of the Hillary Clinton Indictment Speculation?

What Should We Make of the Hillary Clinton Indictment Speculation?

With Clinton poised to secure the nomination, the chatter about the FBI investigation into her email server has grown louder
By Tessa Stuart May 3, 2016

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/what-should-we-make-of-the-hillary-clinton-indictment-speculation-20160503



Hillary Clinton has all but locked up the delegates needed to become the Democratic nominee for president — a fact many on both the right and the left are finding difficult to come to terms with. Perhaps that's why potential disaster scenarios seem to be surfacing with increasing frequency these days. With her rival, Bernie Sanders, all but mathematically eliminated after a string of bruising primary losses, chatter has gotten louder about Clinton potentially being indicted by the FBI over her use a private email server during her tenure at the State Department.

Republican mega-donor T. Boone Pickens insisted to Newsmax last week that Clinton would not be the Democratic nominee. "I don't think she's physically up to it, but that's not going to eliminate her," he said. "It'll be some other reason. I just don't think that she will ever hear the starter's gun." Asked if he believed "emailgate" would disqualify Clinton, Pickens said, "All of it. She has so many things." (Both Pickens and former House Speaker John Boehner have in recent days publicly floated scenarios in which Joe Biden swoops in at the DNC to wrest the nomination from Clinton's grip.)

On the left, Ralph Nader speculated obliquely on CNN that Sanders should remain in the race in case a Clinton scandal erupts, while Cenk Uygur, the host of the online news program The Young Turks and a Sanders supporter, stressed that the possibility of an indictment remains very much alive. "If you've got a dozen people investigating you, odds are they will indict you," Uygur said firmly. He went on to speculate that if FBI Director James Comey, a Republican, "wanted to do maximum damage to the Democrats, you know when he would announce the indictment? The last day of the Democratic convention."

Even Jane Sanders — whose husband once famously said Americans are "sick and tired of hearing about [Clinton's] damn emails" — expressed frustration with the pace of the FBI investigation of those emails. "It would be nice if the FBI moved it along," she told CBS last week.
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Rolling Stone: What Should We Make of the Hillary Clinton Indictment Speculation? (Original Post) Miles Archer May 2016 OP
The "chatter" is coming from the GOP and a certain group of others. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #1
From FBI RobertEarl May 2016 #7
Damned skippy! Buzz Clik May 2016 #35
Wooo Hooo, Glad we have you here to straighten us all out. Phlem May 2016 #38
Wooo Hooo, Glad we have you here to straighten us all out. Phlem May 2016 #31
This is an issue that affects the Democratic party--put a lid on the bullshit talking point CoffeeCat May 2016 #34
Oh, God! Ralph Nader? Cenk Uygur? And Jane Sanders? randome May 2016 #2
Talk about a trifecta of dumbassery. A crank, a poseur, and a fraud, in that order. nt IamMab May 2016 #40
I think it is extremely difficult to predict what is going to happen Bjorn Against May 2016 #3
It's NOT an investigation.... it's a "security review"!!! reformist2 May 2016 #6
Is that sarcasm? paulthompson May 2016 #8
One reporter asked the FBI about this and they said the FBI only does criminal investigations. pdsimdars May 2016 #13
source? paulthompson May 2016 #16
It was in one of those hour long "hillary scandal" videos on youtube. pdsimdars May 2016 #27
Don't bother. We'll take your word that the source is impeccable. Buzz Clik May 2016 #37
"Security Review" More slimy, crooked word-parsing... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #29
Interesting detail that Petraeus was not charged with giving the writer the Data Ash_F May 2016 #4
One thing no one seems to mention is that she had security clearance too. pdsimdars May 2016 #14
Indeed paulthompson May 2016 #23
And, between you and me. . .SOONER THE BETTER! pdsimdars May 2016 #25
Ew ismnotwasm May 2016 #5
Jesus said it too?? Where did you read that? pdsimdars May 2016 #15
I don't do that back and forth shit. ismnotwasm May 2016 #21
Whatever, I just saw you mentioned Jesus and I wanted the link. pdsimdars May 2016 #26
Joe Biden wasn't on the Ballot. Dem voters would never support Biden because KoKo May 2016 #9
Lowell is wrong paulthompson May 2016 #10
...! I guess she thinks she is being "loyal." KoKo May 2016 #11
She needs a gracefull way out of this jeepers May 2016 #12
. . . spend more time with the family? pdsimdars May 2016 #18
I have heard a lot of the details about the laws she has actually broken pdsimdars May 2016 #17
This is an interesting Executive Order that Obama passed in 2009 CoffeeCat May 2016 #41
interesting. A whole new wrinkle. pdsimdars May 2016 #43
So this this the laundry list of luminaries we hear from Tarc May 2016 #19
Yeah paulthompson May 2016 #22
You've done a much, much better job! Thanks Paul! haikugal May 2016 #39
@#$% the horses too. Scurrilous May 2016 #24
The "chatter" appears to be coming from the Right and the Left. Beacool May 2016 #20
BERNIE FEELS underthematrix May 2016 #28
Indictment should be kept "off the table" RufusTFirefly May 2016 #30
After this tanks maybe they can go after Martha Stewart again. nt ucrdem May 2016 #32
...that some Sanders people need hope in their lives? brooklynite May 2016 #33
Isn't Rolling Stone, as a Hillary endorser, too biased to cover this? Vinca May 2016 #36
Not sure Uyger is right on this one. apnu May 2016 #42
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
35. Damned skippy!
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:59 PM
May 2016

They just have unnamed sources leaking wrong information for month after month about the pending indictment.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
34. This is an issue that affects the Democratic party--put a lid on the bullshit talking point
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:58 PM
May 2016

Frankly, I am tired of Democrats wrist slapping Democrats who want to talk about the presumed frontrunner of our Democratic primary and the FBI investigation into her email server.

This issue affects our entire party. Our election could be upended and thrown into chaos. This could be a crisis for the Democratic party.

Trying to position a year-long FBI investigation, as some "right-wing" issue--is a disservice to our entire Democratic party.

The FBI has granted immunity to Brian Pagliano, the man who built the server for Clinton. All you have to do is read the NDA that she signed when she became SOS to see that she violated that agreement, with the use of this private server.

You do a grave disservice to all Democrats with your attack on anyone who DARES to ask questions or discuss the fact that our frontrunner could be indicted during an election year.

Seriously...how dare you?!

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
2. Oh, God! Ralph Nader? Cenk Uygur? And Jane Sanders?
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:03 PM
May 2016

With an impartial 'jury' like this, who can doubt that Clinton is DOOMED!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)
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Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
3. I think it is extremely difficult to predict what is going to happen
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:12 PM
May 2016

The FBI clearly thinks there is something worth investigating and whether there is an indictment or not that is not a good thing for Hillary.

The powerful do not get indicted easily however so my guess is that she probably won't be indicted but that is just a guess, I can't say I would be surprised by an indictment I can only say that I am not expecting one.

The very fact that there is serious talk about an indictment right as we are moving into General Election season is most certainly not a good thing however, the party made a huge mistake in supporting her.

paulthompson

(2,398 posts)
8. Is that sarcasm?
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:07 PM
May 2016

Or are you that far behind the news? It's definitely an investigation at this point.

November 10, 2015: The FBI's inquiry into Clinton's emails has turned into a "full-blown investigation." Politico reports, "The FBI's recent moves (regarding Clinton's private emails_ suggest that its inquiry could have evolved from the preliminary fact-finding stage that the agency launches when it receives a credible referral, according to former FBI and Justice Department officials interviewed..." The FBI has been conducting interviews and gathering documents. Tom Fuentes, former assistant director of the FBI, says, "This sounds to me like it's more than a preliminary inquiry; it sounds like a full-blown investigation. When you have this amount of resources going into it... I think it's at the investigative level." (Politico, 11/10/2015)


March 2, 2016 - March 3, 2016: The FBI's Clinton investigation is focusing on possible crimes. On March 2, 2016, The Washington Post reports, "The Clinton campaign has described the (FBI investigation into Clinton's emails) as a security review. But current and former officials in the FBI and at the Justice Department have said investigators are trying to determine whether a crime was committed." One former senior law enforcement official asks, "There was wrongdoing. But was it criminal wrongdoing?" (The Washington Post, 3/2/2016) The next day, CNN similarly reports, "FBI investigators are expected to shift their focus on whether the highly sensitive government information, including top secret and other classified matters, found on Clinton's private email server constitutes a crime." (CNN, 3/3/2016)

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
27. It was in one of those hour long "hillary scandal" videos on youtube.
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:41 PM
May 2016

If I see it again, I'll send you the link. I don't remember which one it was.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
4. Interesting detail that Petraeus was not charged with giving the writer the Data
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:29 PM
May 2016

...but rather for unlawfully keeping it in his desk drawer. Very analogous to the basement server.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
14. One thing no one seems to mention is that she had security clearance too.
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:39 PM
May 2016

Whereas the people Hillary emailed her information around to did not.

paulthompson

(2,398 posts)
23. Indeed
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:54 PM
May 2016

I was going to mention that. People generally don't know that Petraeus's lover had a security clearance of some sort, although I don't know if it covered even top secret info. Not all security clearances are equal.

And we know at least in the case of Sid Blumenthal that Clinton gave classified info to someone with no security clearance at all. I think we're going to find more examples of that if the news reports are true about the FBI having recovered all of Clinton's deleted emails.

ismnotwasm

(41,989 posts)
5. Ew
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:32 PM
May 2016
Republican mega-donor T. Boone Pickens insisted to Newsmax last week that Clinton would not be the Democratic nominee. "I don't think she's physically up to it, but that's not going to eliminate her," he said. "It'll be some other reason. I just don't think that she will ever hear the starter's gun." Asked if he believed "emailgate" would disqualify Clinton, Pickens said, "All of it. She has so many things." (Both Pickens and former House Speaker John Boehner have in recent days publicly floated scenarios in which Joe Biden swoops in at the DNC to wrest the nomination from Clinton's grip


Newsmax and Pickens. Jesus.
 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
26. Whatever, I just saw you mentioned Jesus and I wanted the link.
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:39 PM
May 2016

But don't let us disturb you. . . just post your shit and begone.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
9. Joe Biden wasn't on the Ballot. Dem voters would never support Biden because
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:10 PM
May 2016

it would mean their votes meant NOTHING. The Second Runner Up always is awarded the PRIZE as when the FRONTRUNNER Falls or Fails.

paulthompson

(2,398 posts)
10. Lowell is wrong
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:16 PM
May 2016

This article quotes lawyer Abbe David Lowell. Lowell is clearly biased, having defended Bill Clinton in the impeachment case. But regardless, Lowell is also wrong in saying this:

"Secretary Clinton's use of an email server was (for correspondence with) her own staff and other officials. It was not (intended to be provided) to the press or to a foreign country or any other entity, so it would be ridiculous (for her to) even be considered charged under these laws."


So many "experts" don't know what they're talking about. For instance, what about the emails back and forth to Sid Blumenthal? A private citizen with no security clearance. Most of the 1000 plus emails between them were from Blumenthal to Clinton, but there were also emails from Clinton to Blumenthal where Clinton discussed classified info from him. Blumenthal was a reporter, so Lowell's claim is directly contradicted by the facts.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
11. ...! I guess she thinks she is being "loyal."
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:28 PM
May 2016
But, she's not addressing all the issues with that Private Server in Chappaqua, NY that have been revealed. Maybe because of that loyalty or hoping for further employment by the Clintons coming soon.

jeepers

(314 posts)
12. She needs a gracefull way out of this
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:31 PM
May 2016

I have got to believe that the FBI has at the least talked with the secretary

She knows she can't assume the office

Nobody wants to indict or try her for reasons of appearance and national honor

A contested convention and a Clinton "loss" would be most forgiving.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
17. I have heard a lot of the details about the laws she has actually broken
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:43 PM
May 2016

I watched a video today and it had a lot of it, but near the end, he said that Hillary would never be indicted. Because it would reflect on the whole Obama administration and they can't allow that to happen. But he said that her judgement in this means that she is not qualified to be President.

I don't like it but I think I may agree. She broke laws but I am not sure if she will be indicted.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
41. This is an interesting Executive Order that Obama passed in 2009
Wed May 4, 2016, 01:24 PM
May 2016

Executive Order 13526 and 18 U.S.C Sec. 793(f) of the federal code make it unlawful to send or store classified information on personal email.

President Obama issued this executive order on Dec 29, 2009.


Tarc

(10,476 posts)
19. So this this the laundry list of luminaries we hear from
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:46 PM
May 2016

T. Boone Pickens - primary contributor to the Swiftboating of Kerry in 2004
Newsmax - Ground Zero for white Christian homophobia
Ralph Nader - Still whining about being treated like a pariah following his 2000 spoiler run.
Cenk Uygur - A "bro" through and through"
Jane Sanders - spouse who does little but rote recitations of Bernie's talking points

Yea, fuck all of them and the horses they rode in on.

paulthompson

(2,398 posts)
22. Yeah
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:51 PM
May 2016

I think this is a big issue, but I'll admit they could have quoted much more credible "experts" than that. It was a pretty lame article, actually, very surface level understanding.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
20. The "chatter" appears to be coming from the Right and the Left.
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:46 PM
May 2016

I'll keep my powder dry until it's not coming from some partisan hacks.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
30. Indictment should be kept "off the table"
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:44 PM
May 2016

After all, that sensible policy has worked so well in the past.

It has enabled us to learn from our mistakes and move on.


apnu

(8,758 posts)
42. Not sure Uyger is right on this one.
Wed May 4, 2016, 01:31 PM
May 2016

Because of Hillary's past. She's had more than a "dozen" people investigating her before and they've come up with exactly nothing every time.

Having lived through Whitewater and all the made up scandals against the Clintons, and the only actionable thing ever turned up was Bill lying about cheating on his wife under oath (which all men, who do such things, do). It is difficult for me to take the Email scandal thing very seriously.

And given how badly the GOP has been burned by the Benghazi investigation, I think the general public is suspicious of this scandal too.

A few Bernie people here and some wacky Republicans out there who've pinned their hopes on an indictment do not make any kind of popular trend in America.

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