2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOK guys, educate me. What happens If Bernie wins the Indy?
Back in the ball game?
What?
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Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Anyone who cares about fixing what is broken in the party and the country should want Sanders to go into the convention with as many delegates as possible.
The more delegates he has, the more leverage Sanders has to address the corruption at the DNC, the rigged-against-the-grassroots-voters rules, the opportunities to improve the platform, and -- of course -- the ticket.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Stallion
(6,476 posts)nm
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)win an average of about 80% of all delegates in the states that haven't voted. All delegates are allocated proportional to the votes won, so a "win" of say 55% to 45% would thus give him a couple more delegates than she received, but he would fall even farther behind.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Let's go Indiana. There's a lot riding on this.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Go Bernie, Indiana!!
trof
(54,256 posts)Where did that come from?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Sucks, eh?
big_dog
(4,144 posts)plus Nebraska Oregon etc
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)Mike__M
(1,052 posts)which is not the district adjacent to the Columbia River.
Sorry. I'm in Washington state.
trof
(54,256 posts)k8conant
(3,030 posts)Wild, wonderful
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)It's an open primary so a win is not a surprise, but it won't help him with the delagate count.
basselope
(2,565 posts)It's a contested convention and the democrats will have a choice to make.
George II
(67,782 posts)...with only two candidates.
One ballot, the candidate who has the most after that ballot gets the nomination.
Simple.
basselope
(2,565 posts)The ballot doesn't happen the moment they walk in the door.
It remains contested UNTIL that vote is taken.
George II
(67,782 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)was just set aside by party elites to give the nomination to the loser? Hmmm?
I don't actually know. If it happened, it was a long time ago under other rules. Nevertheless, that corruption of the process seems to be what you are hoping for, and you really should not.
basselope
(2,565 posts)its STILL contested
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)popular vote could that be accomplished. Bernie has already lost the old-fashioned "will of the people way."
basselope
(2,565 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Do Sanders' True Believers have that "moral compass" most people do, Basselope? This is hardly the first time the question of right and wrong has been shoved aside when it's gotten in the way.
basselope
(2,565 posts)An indictment being handed down is the obvious one.
The democratic party could also realize how poorly handled their primary process was and how many people were excluded from it due to archaic rules.
Or they could come to the realization that Clinton not only can't win the general election.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)THAT's a reason you push to screw over all those who've voted already and will be voting?
I'll make you a promise, Basselope: Like so many of the people who hoped she'd be indicted on some trumped-up charge over the past 30 years, you will grow old and die and be a pile of moldering bones in your grave before that happens.
WHY does this persistent pattern of fake charge, promises of indictment, no indictment attract instead of repel the people who latch eagerly onto it? There have been literally dozens of fake charges and promises of indictments fed to the hungry, most not burning hot enough to be remembered for long.
Btw, I got fed up with watching this indulgence of bad character play out a long time ago. I hope that most of those people got their own back by seeing their resilient victim thriving on TV, as SecState, Senator from NY, candidate for POTUS, from their deathbeds. They deserved to die bitter and disappointed, with their vicious wishes unrequited. Or repented and ashamed, unlikely as that would be for most, I don't care which.
basselope
(2,565 posts)The rich and powerful are rarely held accountable for their actions. If she was a low level flunky, she would have a criminal record and be banned from government work forever.
But, whatever, I think it is a stupid reason for indictment anyway, but it is possible.
The reality is she is simply unqualified for the job. Her abominable record as Senator and then secretary of state should disqualify her on its own.
How many "mistakes" does one person get to make? Iraq War "Oops". Libya "Oops" Bankruptcy Bill "Oops" Free trade "Ooops" I can't figure out how to send e-mail "Oops".
She isn't fit to be in the white house.
Sorry for the dose of reality.
DVRacer
(707 posts)He unfortunately has no path left
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)The nomination is out of reach for Sanders, but he wants to see how many delegates he can accumulate as a sign that the party is looking for a way other than the third way. If he can poll around 50 percent in some of the remaining states, it sends a signal and indicates Clinton should not plan on running too far to the right for the general election. Falling short of the nomination by a small margin means there are millions and millions of voters out there who want a progressive candidate on the Democratic ticket, so it affects the VP choice, and it affects the way the GE campaign plays out.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)Is really a win for Hillary.
cigsandcoffee
(2,300 posts)NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)Bernie is running out of states he can catch up to Hillary.
In order to win he has to win every single remaining contest by at least 20 points.
George II
(67,782 posts)NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,444 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)However, Hillary needs to win by even bigger margins to secure the nomination with pledged delegates alone.
There is a small chance that Bernie can win the pledged delegate count. There is a much bigger chance that Bernie can force a brokered convention by denying Hillary the win outright. This is why there are so many calls for Bernie to drop out - the Democratic Party doesn't want a brokered convention.
Progressives do want a brokered convention, because it will give us a larger voice in crafting the platform and - if something ugly happens, like the FBI indicting Hilllary for mishandling her email - the superdelegates may give the nomination to Bernie. The latter is admittedly unlikely, but it is within the realm of possibility. In large part it depends on how many political favors Hillary can promise in return for no indictment, and she has shown the ability to promise many favors in return for support (see: union endorsements).
Tarc
(10,476 posts)MFM008
(19,816 posts)to die another day.
CountAllVotes
(20,876 posts)Who are you calling "Frankenstein" and why are you saying "to die another day" ....
840high
(17,196 posts)DeltaLitProf
(769 posts). . . Clinton is indicted on the email intel leaks. Which is unlikely but still possible.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Harmless, but the air goes out it.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Clinton has won. Bernie is now on Trumps team.
Yavin4
(35,442 posts)After June 7th, we go all in with Hillary.