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OK guys, educate me. What happens If Bernie wins the Indy? (Original Post) trof May 2016 OP
Tease Stallion May 2016 #1
It sets up win next week in West Virginia, followed by a win the week after that in Oregon Attorney in Texas May 2016 #20
...! KoKo May 2016 #52
He chips off about 2 or 3 delegates from her ~ 290 delegate lead, and 83 less available. George II May 2016 #2
Yes and Falls Further Behind the Pace he Needs to Set Stallion May 2016 #25
Yes. Trof, going into Indiana, Bernie needed to Hortensis May 2016 #40
automatic full communism Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #3
That's about the worth of their posts alright! JimDandy May 2016 #10
Communisim? Whew. trof May 2016 #11
HA HA HA bettyellen May 2016 #15
Nothing. The primary is over. nt onehandle May 2016 #4
And Trump coasts in Novermber. TheCowsCameHome May 2016 #9
sux trof May 2016 #13
we go to West Virginia New Jersey and California big_dog May 2016 #5
He already won Washington. ismnotwasm May 2016 #7
District of Columbia Mike__M May 2016 #16
D'uh ismnotwasm May 2016 #24
WV don't like Hill, from what I see on MSM corporate. trof May 2016 #17
No, we don't! k8conant May 2016 #33
Nothing ismnotwasm May 2016 #6
A nice fundraising boost to continue to fight for all the delegates he can get. basselope May 2016 #8
Despite what Weaver and Devine say, it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a contested convention.... George II May 2016 #30
Unless someone gets 2383 pledged delegates, it is contested by definition. basselope May 2016 #34
Who's definition? George II May 2016 #38
The democratic party rules. basselope May 2016 #39
Basselope, when is the last time our popular vote Hortensis May 2016 #41
Many reasons could lead to that result. basselope May 2016 #42
No, they could no. ONLY by overthrowing the Hortensis May 2016 #43
and there are many reasons they would do that. basselope May 2016 #44
But no good ones. Hortensis May 2016 #46
Lots of good ones basselope May 2016 #49
Indictment?! You have to be kidding. Hortensis May 2016 #50
I know indictment is unlikely basselope May 2016 #51
If he wins his deficit goes from 290 to 284-288 DVRacer May 2016 #12
Still in it, in a way. HassleCat May 2016 #14
Nothing except more arguments. grossproffit May 2016 #18
Anything less than a 20 point victory for Bernie NobodyHere May 2016 #19
That pretty much sums up Bernie's challenge from day 1. n/t cigsandcoffee May 2016 #27
Well I was referring to the current pledged delegate math. NobodyHere May 2016 #29
Make that 30 points - he needs to win EVERY remaining state by at least 65-35. George II May 2016 #32
You're probably right. NobodyHere May 2016 #36
Sanders gets the bigger half of the candy bar that was carefully broken in two Brother Buzz May 2016 #21
National Mandate nt firebrand80 May 2016 #22
Bernie needs big victories in the remaining primaries to win the pledged delegate count. Maedhros May 2016 #23
At the moment not much, as he's 13% off his target Tarc May 2016 #26
Frankenstein lives MFM008 May 2016 #28
You've posted that same comment elsewhere just now CountAllVotes May 2016 #31
That's Clinton humor. 840high May 2016 #37
Remains the viable alternative if the worst happens and . . . DeltaLitProf May 2016 #35
It's like playing some more turns in Civ 5 when someone has already won. Starry Messenger May 2016 #45
The Red Army will mobilize and Hillary supporters will build bunkers pinebox May 2016 #47
Nothing. Demsrule86 May 2016 #48
The Bernie supporters get another month on DU Yavin4 May 2016 #53

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
20. It sets up win next week in West Virginia, followed by a win the week after that in Oregon
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:59 PM
May 2016

Anyone who cares about fixing what is broken in the party and the country should want Sanders to go into the convention with as many delegates as possible.

The more delegates he has, the more leverage Sanders has to address the corruption at the DNC, the rigged-against-the-grassroots-voters rules, the opportunities to improve the platform, and -- of course -- the ticket.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. Yes. Trof, going into Indiana, Bernie needed to
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:16 PM
May 2016

win an average of about 80% of all delegates in the states that haven't voted. All delegates are allocated proportional to the votes won, so a "win" of say 55% to 45% would thus give him a couple more delegates than she received, but he would fall even farther behind.

ismnotwasm

(41,989 posts)
6. Nothing
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:54 PM
May 2016

It's an open primary so a win is not a surprise, but it won't help him with the delagate count.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
8. A nice fundraising boost to continue to fight for all the delegates he can get.
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:55 PM
May 2016

It's a contested convention and the democrats will have a choice to make.

George II

(67,782 posts)
30. Despite what Weaver and Devine say, it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a contested convention....
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:08 PM
May 2016

...with only two candidates.

One ballot, the candidate who has the most after that ballot gets the nomination.

Simple.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
34. Unless someone gets 2383 pledged delegates, it is contested by definition.
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:10 PM
May 2016

The ballot doesn't happen the moment they walk in the door.

It remains contested UNTIL that vote is taken.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
41. Basselope, when is the last time our popular vote
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:20 PM
May 2016

was just set aside by party elites to give the nomination to the loser? Hmmm?

I don't actually know. If it happened, it was a long time ago under other rules. Nevertheless, that corruption of the process seems to be what you are hoping for, and you really should not.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. No, they could no. ONLY by overthrowing the
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:18 PM
May 2016

popular vote could that be accomplished. Bernie has already lost the old-fashioned "will of the people way."

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. But no good ones.
Wed May 4, 2016, 06:20 AM
May 2016

Do Sanders' True Believers have that "moral compass" most people do, Basselope? This is hardly the first time the question of right and wrong has been shoved aside when it's gotten in the way.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
49. Lots of good ones
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:58 AM
May 2016

An indictment being handed down is the obvious one.

The democratic party could also realize how poorly handled their primary process was and how many people were excluded from it due to archaic rules.

Or they could come to the realization that Clinton not only can't win the general election.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
50. Indictment?! You have to be kidding.
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:12 PM
May 2016

THAT's a reason you push to screw over all those who've voted already and will be voting?

I'll make you a promise, Basselope: Like so many of the people who hoped she'd be indicted on some trumped-up charge over the past 30 years, you will grow old and die and be a pile of moldering bones in your grave before that happens.

WHY does this persistent pattern of fake charge, promises of indictment, no indictment attract instead of repel the people who latch eagerly onto it? There have been literally dozens of fake charges and promises of indictments fed to the hungry, most not burning hot enough to be remembered for long.

Btw, I got fed up with watching this indulgence of bad character play out a long time ago. I hope that most of those people got their own back by seeing their resilient victim thriving on TV, as SecState, Senator from NY, candidate for POTUS, from their deathbeds. They deserved to die bitter and disappointed, with their vicious wishes unrequited. Or repented and ashamed, unlikely as that would be for most, I don't care which.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
51. I know indictment is unlikely
Wed May 4, 2016, 01:11 PM
May 2016

The rich and powerful are rarely held accountable for their actions. If she was a low level flunky, she would have a criminal record and be banned from government work forever.

But, whatever, I think it is a stupid reason for indictment anyway, but it is possible.

The reality is she is simply unqualified for the job. Her abominable record as Senator and then secretary of state should disqualify her on its own.

How many "mistakes" does one person get to make? Iraq War "Oops". Libya "Oops" Bankruptcy Bill "Oops" Free trade "Ooops" I can't figure out how to send e-mail "Oops".

She isn't fit to be in the white house.

Sorry for the dose of reality.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
14. Still in it, in a way.
Tue May 3, 2016, 07:57 PM
May 2016

The nomination is out of reach for Sanders, but he wants to see how many delegates he can accumulate as a sign that the party is looking for a way other than the third way. If he can poll around 50 percent in some of the remaining states, it sends a signal and indicates Clinton should not plan on running too far to the right for the general election. Falling short of the nomination by a small margin means there are millions and millions of voters out there who want a progressive candidate on the Democratic ticket, so it affects the VP choice, and it affects the way the GE campaign plays out.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
29. Well I was referring to the current pledged delegate math.
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:07 PM
May 2016

Bernie is running out of states he can catch up to Hillary.

In order to win he has to win every single remaining contest by at least 20 points.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
23. Bernie needs big victories in the remaining primaries to win the pledged delegate count.
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:00 PM
May 2016

However, Hillary needs to win by even bigger margins to secure the nomination with pledged delegates alone.

There is a small chance that Bernie can win the pledged delegate count. There is a much bigger chance that Bernie can force a brokered convention by denying Hillary the win outright. This is why there are so many calls for Bernie to drop out - the Democratic Party doesn't want a brokered convention.

Progressives do want a brokered convention, because it will give us a larger voice in crafting the platform and - if something ugly happens, like the FBI indicting Hilllary for mishandling her email - the superdelegates may give the nomination to Bernie. The latter is admittedly unlikely, but it is within the realm of possibility. In large part it depends on how many political favors Hillary can promise in return for no indictment, and she has shown the ability to promise many favors in return for support (see: union endorsements).

CountAllVotes

(20,876 posts)
31. You've posted that same comment elsewhere just now
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:09 PM
May 2016

Who are you calling "Frankenstein" and why are you saying "to die another day" ....



DeltaLitProf

(769 posts)
35. Remains the viable alternative if the worst happens and . . .
Tue May 3, 2016, 08:11 PM
May 2016

. . . Clinton is indicted on the email intel leaks. Which is unlikely but still possible.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
45. It's like playing some more turns in Civ 5 when someone has already won.
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:44 PM
May 2016

Harmless, but the air goes out it.

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